[CORRECTION] 7742 went dark out of the 8299 that committed. Interesting to note: 204 of the top 250 subreddits are dark (src: save3rdpartyapps.com).

As of 12:56pm GMT (7:56am central time), 7742/8299 subreddits are no longer public

The information I initially posted is misleading. Thus, I have edited the title and this content area to report accurate numbers.

As @roofuskit mentioned, the 8299 number is the amount of subreddits that committed to going dark, not the total number of subreddits, which is over 3,000,000.

And as @8thiest was keen to observe, 204 of the top 250 are dark, as you can see from this site: https://save3rdpartyapps.com/

AlteredStateBlob,
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All the nay sayers that it won't change anything, are right to a point. Yes the message is "it's only two days, after that it's fine again!", if you're full on corpo. But what the userbase is demonstrating to not just reddit, but future investors on their IPO - is that they are 100% capable of removing everything that makes reddit what it is within days and for an indefinite amount of time. There's always churn. The amount of potential new users being lost due to massive degradation in public feeds will be noticeable. The amount of lost impressions on ads for mega subs will be noticeable.

To my mind, it doesn't even matter if this particular two day period hurts them financially. The message is clear. Reddit isn't some assortment of Twitter schmucks that have no ability to actually have any impact. If there's nothing to monetize, nothing to push ads through, nothing to attract new users, the platform is worthless and the users hold almost all the power.

If reddit takes away the ability to turn subreddits off, they'll be deleted next time. This generation is fed up with being helpless pawns in shitty CEO games. I deleted several accounts and don't have any left. I am done with reddit as an actual user and contributor.

Every time they go toe to toe with their user base they will bleed the users that keep that place running and relevant.

I'm loving that this is actually so wide spread.

gus,
gus avatar

Feeling the same way. Been active on reddit for over 10 years. Regularly engaged with the community and posted content. Reddit admins watched and supported their thriving community for years, which is literally the only thing that made it so popular. And now it seems like they've realized they can start squeezing revenue out of said community that's stuck with them for years because they know ultimately people will just bitch out and accept whatever change they push, rather than moving to another website.

I know it's been said before but the irony that people migrated from Digg to Reddit to escape greedy corporate hands, only to know be caught up in Reddit's own greedy corporate hands is palpable. And while I think sites like Tildes seem like a good alternative in theory, I have no doubt it will ultimately meet the same fate as Reddit and Digg. The admins will make some stupid change that will cause an uproar and people have to choose between turning over and just letting it happen or finding an entirely new website which no one really wants to do

Couldn't be happier joining up with the Fediverse. Essentially solves all the problems I described above. I happen to like kbin and the admin(s) that run it, but if they ever changed their tune it's great to know that I could leave for another Fediverse destination and still engage pretty seamlessly with a lot of the same community/users. And I feel like that fact alone will make the website admins want to be a lot more agreeable with their community. Gives the users/community more power to not have to stand for bullshit

Narrrz,

@AlteredStateBlob

@Redhotkurt

The people in charge are fools if they're taking this as just a temporary annoyance. Yes, this particular action is temporary - it's like a set duration strike. We're showing how many people are dissatisfied and willing to commit to further sanctions if concerns aren't immediately addressed.

Also, while the subs may light up again, a lot of /u/s won't. The content will come back, but not all of it, and it'll just trickle away if nothing is done. Reddit depends on a certain critical mass to function - people have to post content that engages others to keep everyone engaged. Once content quality (or quantity) falls below a critical threshold, the entire place will just become so much wasteland.

Redhotkurt,
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The content will come back, but not all of it, and it'll just trickle away if nothing is done. Reddit depends on a certain critical mass to function

Agreed, and yeah, the whole thing is temporary (except for the subs that vowed to stay dark), but the "it won't work!!" naysayers aren't thinking long term. Enough users have made up their minds and left Reddit permanently that the impact will be still be felt even if all the subs were to reopen. The damage has already been done, it's just not visible yet. It's not just the users that left, it's all the patient, level-headed, good mods that work for free to ensure a certain level of quality.

And like you said, the general state of the site is gonna continue to erode until it resembles Twitter more than anything else. R.I.P Reddit!

But hey, here's our chance, for people like you and me, to help create and shape places like this into the good online spaces that we know are possible and can exist. We did it before, we can do it again.

Constitution,

I personally see it as more of a mod strike than a user rebellion. If it wasn't something that affected the mods so much it wouldn't have blown up so much.

dball37,

I don't know if it's more of a mod strike (mods are at the forefront by making subs private, but idk about pure number of people if mods are more than users), but I do think the API changes will affect moderation in a way that may be detrimental to Reddit. Third party apps were more powerful for moderators and if moderators either leave or can't properly do their jobs then the platform may get overrun by trolls and bad posts. That may push out the more casual users.

niktemadur,
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Oh yes, it DOES affect users, all of those who USE the third-party apps and want nothing to do with a mediocre, buggy and ad-infested, privacy-intruding software made by corporate committee.

Add on top the way they dishonestly handle situations of their own making and the contempt with which they treat the community, and you get a founder of Reddit saying wildly inappropriate and tone-deaf things such as "I like popcorn".

We are vulnerable to these people, and I hate it.

NoIWontPickaName,

I like popcorn?

GlupShitto,

@Constitution

@Redhotkurt @AlteredStateBlob

Maybe so, but the few subs I visited regularly and went dark tried to inform their base users and ask for our opinion about it.

Some subs were very adamant against the strike because this days were very important for them (Starfield) others like the Xbox subs were on it even though this was a very important week for them.

BlackCoffee,
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I have a theory that this is actually one of the last times that the current mods can actually "push" for change.

The older userbase has been fed up with reddit for a longer period of time and was in a status quo about the platform because the people above didn't interfere with those specific users. Now they did, showed their greedy hand and they actually cannot put the genie back in the bottle.

The older users are presumably power users and mod alike and especially the older power users understand what a thankless position that of a moderator is.

They are probably now the people who support the blackout and moderators alike and are looking at other platforms to migrate to.

I am very interested to see if the more recent userbase is as understanding towards the moderators when this all is over.

After this, I do assume that Reddit is gonna go full speed ahead to implement the changes they want if people are just going back and just do as if this never happened.

I am basing this just on a hunch and am talking out of my ass but someone has to do it ;).

VerifiablyMrWonka,
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I'm just looking forward to news item Reddit puts out gaslighting everyone into thinking nothing of real consequence happened.

AshDene,
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It will change things too, not for reddit, but for competitors (like kbin).

A tiny site can only grow so fast, at some point things start breaking (both technically and as a community) and users stop joining, but as sites grow bigger they also gain the ability to grow faster.

The protest means that every possible alternative to reddit has been growing as fast as it can reasonably support. That's probably not fast enough to hurt reddit this time, but next time it might be.

IncognitoErgoSum,

What will ultimately hurt reddit is the existence of viable alternatives.

I know people are of differing opinions on this and a lot of people are sad to see reddit go out like this, but I've personally wanted to dump reddit for like a decade now, but there just wasn't anywhere to go. Even if it recovers completely, people who are disillusioned will have options now.

admiralteal,

Alternate read: every sub that comes back is firmly and clearly telling Reddit that no matter how badly they behave, they will still use the site.

MothrOfChrst,

All of this! Plus, from my perspective anyway, this has given a lot of people the chance to get their feet wet with other platforms and ecosystems.

While it may not be a majority, I do believe there will be well seasoned users that see how the whole thing was handled by Reddit, and see the potential in these other avenues, and stay in those new places instead.

So far, I would say I'm one of those users. After a decade on Reddit and decline in quality, I'm certainly happy to call a new platform home and grow with it.

brownpaperbag,
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I've been on Reddit for roughly 12 years and spent several as a mod of various subs. I don't expect to go back to Reddit after this blackout as the only thing that kept me there was using Relay Pro; I have no intentions of giving Reddit a single penny even through a 3rd party willing to do the work to accomodate this obscene cash grab.

Tashlan,
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  • gchance92,

    People have been getting sick of reddit's bullshit for many years now. I think a lot of us have been waiting for them to either get their shit together, or massively fuck up so we can start to move on from there.

    The blackout may only lead a small percentage of people to find other platforms, but that may be enough to get something else up and off the ground.

    It's very strange being in a new environment personally. I've spent well over 10 years on mostly just reddit (rif) and youtube. But I think it'll be good for me to not rely on reddit to "entertain me" all day while I'm trying not to work.

    StaticBoredom,
    StaticBoredom avatar

    It just warms but icy black heart when (former) Redditors take action on important issues and results are achieved. For me, that’s what the site was really about.

    My hope with the current protests is that Reddit suffers severe consequences. Not only because “fuck spez,” but also because the internet has become one huge corporate orgy, and actual humans should at least be allowed to occupy a corner of it without having to deal with their profiteering bullshit.

    But for this we will have to suffer some minor inconveniences, and we must do so not only willingly, but joyfully, in the knowledge that at least we are headed in the right direction away from a homogenized internet.

    All credit to @ernest and other devs, but feel free to pat yourselves on the back for being willing to try something new and give up something old. That’s not always easy, but things that are always easy are rarely deeply satisfying.

    8thiest,
    8thiest avatar

    I think the best Reddit blackout trackers are the ones that highlight the most popular subreddits, like this one showing 204 of the top 250 are dark: https://save3rdpartyapps.com/

    roofuskit,
    roofuskit avatar

    Now THAT is useful data.

    Redhotkurt,
    Redhotkurt avatar

    Agreed, this is more useful and accurate. i'm gonna edit my post.

    StaticBoredom,
    StaticBoredom avatar

    In all seriousness, your approach in this thread is commendable. You immediately change course when presented with sensible improvements. We should all do that more often, especially including me. Kudos.

    Redhotkurt,
    Redhotkurt avatar

    Thank you, TBH I was horrified when I came back and saw the comments. It's important to present accurate stats and stop the spread of misinformation, especially for something as far-reaching and historical as this massive online protest. I'm just glad I was able to edit this before too much time passed!

    StaticBoredom,
    StaticBoredom avatar

    That natural feeling of your stomach contracting when you realize you've made an error and want to correct it, that's called having character.

    roofuskit,
    roofuskit avatar

    Horribly misleading title. The second number is not the total number of subreddits, that's the total number that had committed to going dark.

    quantum_libet,

    underrated comment! 7742 of some 3 million subs. big ones, yes, thank god, but not that many altogether.

    and on top of this, it's not the users, it's the mods that took action. I'd assume reddit will make sure that this won't ever be possible to do again.

    Rhaedas,
    Rhaedas avatar

    Also important is what the number size of each subreddit represents. It's not unique users nor does it usually mean a total active users. It's a rough gauge of popularity of the sub topic at some point(s) in its history, and subscribers there also are subscribed to many other places. I guess the main point I'm saying is that the small niche subs are important for their purposes, but if many of the large ones are participating in the blackout that means a commonality of the users. Yes, it's mods that did it, but all the subs I saw that had announcement posts had a lot of agreement on doing it from regular users too. I do agree there will be some shakeup to reduce this ability again.

    Also, what happens after today is important too. That's when the users really shine, if many of them who still exist and haven't deleted accounts just don't go back. Reddit will still go on even with that, as it certainly won't be a majority, but there will be ripples from this and the next weeks and months.

    subz,

    How is reddit going to enforce a subreddit not going private?

    LegendofDragoon,
    LegendofDragoon avatar

    By kicking the current mods and installing a sycophant or two, at least on the bigger subs.

    abff08f4813c,
    abff08f4813c avatar

    That has already happened

    Redhotkurt,
    Redhotkurt avatar

    Argh, thank you for the correction. I thought it sounded too good to be true. As mentioned in the comments below, it's actually 7,742 out of 13,000 active subs that are dark. Out of a total of 3 million subreddits.

    Redhotkurt,
    Redhotkurt avatar

    roofuskit, I edited the title and description to more accurately reflect the current situation. Thank you again for pointing out my error

    artisanrox,
    artisanrox avatar

    What concerns me is that they're driving out the more empathetic-minded users with this they'll just mirror and """reopen""" already extremely popular subs. and will remake it into sort of a Truth Social/Twitter demographic platform. That way they'll have Facebook, Twitter AND Reddit,

    I'll be honest, I was cozy there and had my account for like over 15 years. I hated making new accounts and starting over.

    But what they're doing to it doesn't make it worth staying there. And honestly, decentralization is a better way to do this by order of magnitude.

    Decentralization is going to probably be the #1 tool to fight fascism in the next few upcoming years. And starting over is a PITA but I'm glad i did it.

    nepenthes, (edited )

    Hey OP, you have to click on the Discord link for the up-to-date numbers as the website lags. This is right now.

    While Reddit has 100k+ subs, these are the popular ones participating. Subs that have 40m subscribers. So having over 8k participating/pledged is still huge!! (The website has subscriptions listed.) The numbers will be going down as more timezones hit Jun 14 though.

    Hope my image link worked!
    EDIT: It worked :)

    Also, found a good quote by Canadian activist /writer Cory Doctorow:

    "The decision not to act, not to blackout now, is the decision to lose Reddit in slow stages," he said. "Better to have it all go now in a gambit to save it, to discipline the firm and its shortsightedness than to sit there and watch while something that matters to you goes through a slow decline … in this very undignified way."

    Cavalarrr,
    Cavalarrr avatar

    Yep, the site itself is displaying something very similar right now.
    As far as I know, everyone listed on the site pledged to support it, so it's a shame that 350 odd haven't committed to the blackout.

    I'd be half interested to see what an up-to-date All looks like right now, but I don't want to add even a single number to usage metrics.

    IncognitoErgoSum,

    This isn't going to completely destroy reddit. Things will eventually go back to mostly how they were, but the difference is that some other places will have attracted a critical mass of people so as to provide an actual alternative. What's probably going to happen is that reddit will begin a long, slow decline over the course of years. It'll probably be around in some form or another for quite a long time, much in the same way that Slashdot, Fark, and Digg are still sputtering along.

    PFShady,

    I only used Reddit via Apollo. So far, KBin is fitting the bill. Either way, I needed to cut my usage anyhow.

    tenpastmidnight,

    I mod a small sub, only 4,000 members. I set it to private yesterday but didn't register with Reddark as I was busy and forgot about it all until late on. I expect there's quite a few people like me who are just in their tiny corner of the site and trying to work out what to do next, or didn't go private because they didn't expect it to make a difference.

    I expect the coverage of it on the big news sites is going to have some sort of effect, but who knows? The very old management there have made lots of weird choices over the years and the site is still going, even if they reverse some of their decisions temporarily, I think they're too stubborn to not try to follow through soon.

    I'm hoping this at least pushes some people to try alternatives, like this. There's much more chance of Reddit fading away if there are some solid alternatives to go to where there's already a community.

    doc,

    So I was talking with my sister last night. She's a casual reddit user for a year or so, only knowing their app. I asked her if she knew what was going on and she had no idea. Nothing to her seemed out of the ordinary.

    Be careful about building your own reality bubbles, everyone.

    Lilkev,
    Lilkev avatar

    Yea my fiancée uses it for browsing like the 90 day fiance subreddit and that's it. She had no idea what was going on until I explained it to her. She's also not planning on stopping her use of reddit, but rather sees it more as an inconvenience to her that some of her other favorite subreddits are dark.

    WouldYouLikeAnyToast,

    This is very true. I help moderate a small sub, and we've probably had over 100 people messaging having no idea why the sub is private. And keep in mind, that these are only people that have noticed, I expect a lot of people haven't noticed yet.

    subz,

    I still casually look at reddit via Apollo out of sheer habit, and boy has the post quality gone down on the frontpage during the past day.

    brownpaperbag,
    brownpaperbag avatar

    I purposely moved my preferred app off my quick access areas (still available) because I knew I'd do it from just muscle memory and that's been helpful. I also replaced its spot with a different app that's silly for me to open multiple times - I'm working that shame angle haha

    bipolarmario,
    bipolarmario avatar

    Honestly, after finding kbin. I dont have much interest in going back. Most of my subs have a /m here already and there are more users coming in pretty fast. I don't see why I would go back to the other model as long as there is a decent amount of content generation here. When the Apollo thing happened at first I stopped using reddit pretty much right away. It was tough for a few days but after that I didn't miss it.

    Enter kbin :)

    xix,

    I'd love to see a graph of reddit's changing over the last few hours/days

    GreenPlasticSushiGrass,
    GreenPlasticSushiGrass avatar
    xix,

    Wow! Thank you!
    Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but it looks like there hasn't been much of an impact?

    GreenPlasticSushiGrass,
    GreenPlasticSushiGrass avatar

    That's how I interpret it. It looks like posts are down about 300/min and comments are down about 1.5K/min (about 20% for both). I hate that double Y-axis format.

    roofuskit,
    roofuskit avatar

    This makes me wonder how much of the remaining traffic was always bots. I know a lot of people haven't left reddit, but with so many of the most popular subs gone who is still posting at that volume? I bet the smaller subs have been swamped by bots.

    thesoloist,
    thesoloist avatar

    It is curious seeing the votes substantially lower, activity weaker. Without knowing activity statistics I'm hoping this blackout sends a message to fuckboy spez

    updawg,

    Message sent. Message returned to sender.

    eamus_catuli_,
    eamus_catuli_ avatar

    It’s quite interesting to scroll through Popular now - so many different subreddits I never knew existed!

    GigaLoser,

    Dont forget this is spez, the same spez that removed the downvote button on his account and gives himself karma when he feels like it

    Micromot,

    That's such a bs move. Why would you remove the only thing that shows if your opinion is valued by the userbase. That really only shows he doesn't care for anything except money

    dominoko,
    dominoko avatar

    This is amazing! I hope they stay private for good or until the API change is reversed. I believe /r/guildwars2 had said they wouldn't come back without 3rd party app access.

    I am disappointed in the big subs that wouldn't go dark: askreddit, comics, news and worldnews

    scabrous-leper,
    scabrous-leper avatar

    @dominoko
    93% doesn't suck! That's a good deal more than I had hoped.

    @Redhotkurt

    abff08f4813c,
    abff08f4813c avatar

    That’s 93% of subs who committed to go dark. Sadly it’s not out of all Reddit subs. But some of the biggest are included here.

    scabrous-leper,
    scabrous-leper avatar

    @abff08f4813c
    Oh, I misunderstood. I had no clue of the true numerical scale of reddit subs.

    @Redhotkurt @dominoko

    ivanvector,
    ivanvector avatar

    As of March 2023 there were a bit more than 3.1 million subreddits (according to https://backlinko.com/reddit-users). I don't see on that page if they've tried to quantify active subs.

    scabrous-leper,
    scabrous-leper avatar

    @ivanvector
    !Joder! That's deeply disheartening then. So the ones that went dark are a trivial subset. discouraged emoji.

    @Redhotkurt @dominoko @abff08f4813c

    ggadget6,

    However 200 of the top 250 subreddits went dark. That's pretty huge, since I imagine a large portion of the 3.1 million total subreddits are completely empty

    scabrous-leper,
    scabrous-leper avatar

    @ggadget6
    cool-I appreciate the context.

    @Redhotkurt @dominoko @abff08f4813c @ivanvector

    dominoko,
    dominoko avatar

    I misunderstood too :(

    exohuman,
    exohuman avatar

    Some of those big subs have admin moderators and those guys won’t participate.

    dominoko,
    dominoko avatar

    Figures! If anyone knows a good link aggregator for US and World news I sure could use one.

    LChitman,
    LChitman avatar

    I mostly use the app Feedly for news, it's just an RSS reader really, so you create your own categories and then select your sources. It might already have some stuff set up when you first start, I can't remember. This is just the articles though, you don't get any Reddit style discussions in the app.

    okra_smuggler,

    Yeah, I've been a little disappointed that a few of my favorite subs didn't go dark.

    jinno,

    As the head moderator for /r/comedy, I'm pretty sure my other moderators are aligned on being down indefinitely until the API plan is made more accommodating or reversed. But obviously it's going to be a little harder for subs to coordinate holistically when we're scattered to the winds on different alternative platforms.

    maccam912,

    I can understand worldnews for example, some people will see important news there and that goal is bigger than protesting a bad decision at Reddit.

    pterodactyl,
    pterodactyl avatar

    It's a link aggregator, people will see more relevant news by going to their local media outlets website, I don't see this as a valid reason not to go dark.

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