sailsperson avatar

I kinda owe this whole protest the fact that my most recent complaints about the internet have finally found an answer in the shape of many place I have discovered, like Lemmy and its instances, Kbin and its instances, Matrix and its instances...

I am finally feeling a little more like I used to when I browsed the internet in the 00s, when I just had so many different places to go for different things, rather than just being actively manipulated into staying in one play that "has it all". Sure, the fediverse, too, may have the same effect, but its instance actually feel different, and I think I'm seeing different kind of content as well.

There are things that I consider dear to me about Reddit and the communities I discovered there, but if its decline means that I stop mindlessly scrolling it trying to find that "final" stimulation for my brain, and instead start interacting with actually interesting, human-like, and though-out content, then the sacrifice is well worth it. Life changes, and the good changes should be welcome, even if they result from something less than pleasant like this.

Onii-Chan avatar

Agreed. It feels like this hyper-corporatization of the internet has finally started to wear thin enough that larger numbers of people than ever before are looking to escape the 'centralized' web. I left ALL social media (except reddit) over two years ago now, and I never realized how much happier I'd be without what I thought was convenience... and now I've dropped reddit too. I sorely miss the early internet, and while we'll never get those days back, this is the closest it's felt in literally 10 years for me. I hope this continues along its current trajectory, because it feels... really good?

YoBuckStopsHere avatar

Honestly, Reddit lost it's charm over a decade ago. I once was at Digg, then Reddit, now Kbin. I'm done with Reddit and we should all let it die and build new communities here.

HeartyBeast avatar

Back to Slashdot, I say :)

BlueBlasphemy avatar

There’s a name I’ve not heard in a long time…

DoucheAsaurus avatar

Fark is still fun too.

Bartlebad avatar

Wow, wasn't expecting to see that name and subsequently having an old Fatboy Slim song stuck in my head.

baronvonj avatar

I'll just drop this here ... @slashdot

VulcanSphere avatar

Great throwback


I was a user for 12 years and change. I predate the Digg migration, and honestly I thought the years after that were its peak. It REALLY started to change for the worst for me when they removed NSFW subs from /r/all...even though they'd rolled out /r/popular a year or two prior, supposedly for that purpose. It's not because of the restriction of NSFW itself, it's what it meant for the service as a whole. At that point it was clear that Reddit wanted to make sure the vast majority of users would be stuck with reddit recommended content only, and from there out it's felt more like user manipulation for maximum advertising (probably 50% of the most popular posts are either thinly veiled ads, or posts LOADED with ads that Reddit is surely getting clickshared revenue for linking to). The point of /r/all is to show everything, that's how people discover things they like that they didn't know existed - but finding those things, means spending less time in the controlled environment engaging with the content they most want you to engage with. When /r/all turns into "/r/allofwhatcorporatewantsyoutosee", there's really no going back or improving. This API bullshit is just the next iteration of that same long term strategy - control what users see/interact with by forcing them to stay in their tightly controlled environment.


@LemmyFreak When they got rid of r/fatpeoplestories things really fell apart quickly after that


@virgil31 @YoBuckStopsHere


I started up my reddit account for the sole purpose of suggesting to others to delete their account and migrate. Currently the traffic in the comments is very concentrated. I just go on r/all and comment under the top comment. Even if I'm not upvoted I have a huge reach that way.


this has been incredible to watch grow. I cant recall the last time I've seen so much solidarity across such a wide online audience come together in agreement to all join a thing. I"ve seen online communities come and go over the years and watching the first "critical mass" of users slowly build before it takes off has always been something fascinating to watch.

DaGuys470 avatar

There is this weird "if I can't have it, they can't have it either" mentality brewing inside me, that I didn't know I was even capable off. It sucks to see this, but at this point I wanna burn it all to the ground. If I can't have Reddit, neither can Spez and Co.


Number is going down ..


It's past midnight on Wednesday in places that are UTC +5 or more.


For anyone who plays chess, I think the most realistic goal we can hope for is something similar to Lichess/Chessdotcom. Where they both essentially serve the same service to the user (playing chess) but one is run by an open source non profit and the other is a private company. As long as the open source model gets the core functionality/service right, it can be sustainable and run for many years alongside a private company like reddit/chessdotcom.

Realistically, Reddit will not just disappear overnight. The best thing this blackout can do is bring attention/traffic to the open source alternatives (like kbin) which will hopefully over time develop to have all the core features of reddit.


there are a lot more than 8800 subreddits though, where is this number from?

tal avatar

My impression is that the down subreddits are heavily-weighted towards the large ones, though. Like, if I look at /r/all, I see a lot of small subreddits that I haven't run into before. It's not just an evenly-distributed-across-size 8,800 subreddits.


I think the ~8800 number is from the threads in save3rdpartyapps and modcoord where mods could comment and include their subs in the protest. There are supposedly like 140k active subreddits at any time according to reddit.

ugmug avatar

I believe that number is the number of subreddits that pledged to go dark or impose some sort of restrictions. I could be wrong though.


On the live stream it says (pledged), so you should be right.

Maughlin avatar

I think this is correct. While it is a large portion of the big subreddits, it isn't a huge amount compared to the total number of existing subreddits.

DoucheAsaurus avatar

It's still a huge amount of traffic though, a lot of those subs have hundreds of thousands even millions of subscribers. The total sub count would still include every piddly forgotten sub with 2 or 3 people subscribing and no posts for years.


Yeah, the overall number of subreddits that go dark doesn't matter, just the number of affected users. If the majority of the largest subreddits go dark, everyone feels the difference.

aegisgfx877 avatar

2 days is not going to do anything, its like an abused wife saying Im leaving you, but I'll be back in 2 days. You need to leave reddit For Good to make any difference.


Would probably been more effective if the sub went dark without announcing an end date. Easier to brace for the storm when you know when it is coming and when it is ending.

I also don't think it will make any difference if only a small percentage choose to stay dark indefinitely after the 2 days.

DoucheAsaurus avatar

I haven't deleted my 10yr old account yet but I'm not touching it until I see some real change over there. I'm not holding my breath though, they're still going to be a money hungry corp at the end of the day.


I left, deleted all three of my accounts after editing all comments starting I was leaving in protest of the June 2023 API changes.

letsroll avatar

11 years old account deleted last night. I feel great about it. Light and happy. 🤷‍♂️ Here's to what's next.

Blakerboy777 avatar

I heard Louis Rossmann make this analogy and I think he missed the strategic necessity of the duration and gambit.

*Strategically, if all subs pledged to go dark indefinitely, Admins would have been able to start working proactively to replace mods to bring them back online immediately after the blackout started. By giving a reasonable timeframe, the admins would further alienate the average user if they tried to intervene.
*The gambit is that by saying they will come back after two days, they aren't required to come back. Even if they unprivate it, they aren't required to moderate. Even If they moderate, they aren't required to moderate well. Even if they moderate well, they aren't prevented from going dark again later. So the gambit is, they can manipulate the admins into not taking draconian action against them by planning to only do it for two days, but they give up absolutely no leverage to extend the black out, repeat it, or quiet quit.

To continue the analogy, it's like an abused wife saying I'm leaving you for two days, then never coming back. By saying two days, she gets a 2 day headstart to get out of town and get lost before the abuser even realizes there's a problem. I would imagine that some subs that come back will go dark again July 1st with no plans to reopen.


@Blakerboy777 Yeah I agreed with this. If you initially tell averages redditors the blackout could take weeks with no end in sight most would not participate anyway.

Personally I don't care about the outcome, just like that wife in the analogy I ain't coming back to reddit. I am however curious what stupid things they will do in the future. Watching the downfall of Twitter and Musk have been entertaining and I hope for more of that same entertainment from Reddit and Spez

Reddit will not die by this but they will bleed and hopefully the wound will never completely heals.

@virgil31 @ggadget6 @aegisgfx877


To continue with your analogy, the abused wife leaves for 2 days, giving herself time to find another place to live (kbin, Lemmy, Mastodon, etc.) or stays with family or old friends they lost touch with (Hacker News, Slashdot, Metafilter, Fark, specific hobby or interest forums, etc.). And when they come back they can let people know where they're moving to and encourage them to visit or maybe move, also (new magazines/communities). So the line of communication stays open.

Calcharger avatar

My concerns is that everyone is kind of getting fractured to different areas, so it’s going to be a long time before we begin to see even remotely the same amount of content. Can we keep it up and be patient, or will we filter back as people inevitably give up?


As long as these communities goes on a federated instance connected to kbin, we all could gather, right?


The content will be visible to all, but conversation is limited to whichever lemmy instance your account is in.
In you can only chat with accounts in the replies/comments.

LollerCorleone avatar

That's not true. Once federation is fully on, you can interact with users from other instances as well.

MeowdyPardner avatar

I've been reading comments and replying to remote accounts all over - the sync between instances is just lagging a lot right now due to the load and the temporary cloudflare added to right now. The admin of is working on fixing the federation so either when he figures that out or the traffic stabilizes things should be federating much more smoothly.

atocci avatar

Hey that's actually not correct. You will be able to see content and chat with anybody from any Kbin or Lemmy instance. is currently overloaded though, and the ability to communicate with other instances had to be turned off for now as a result of trying to keep the site up at any cost. When the developer upgrades the server hosting the site soon, the ability to comment and see posts from other instances will be turned back on.

On the first day I joined, before things were overloaded to this extent, things were working correctly and you were able to see posts and comments from other instances.

maythebananabewithyo avatar

I think that is temporary while cloudflare is up. Once that comes down, then it will be wide open to talk to everyone everywhere like you can on Lemmy.


That may be the case temporarily while kbin is in a pre-releaee state, but it shouldn't be true long term. Any federated account should be able to view/comment on any other federated post and see comments on that post from other instances.

I can and have cross posted between communities on Lemmy instances and I'm pretty sure I've see Mastodon accounts do the same?

Calcharger avatar

Yeah, that's what I mean. We're all gonna be fractured :[ Which sucks.

Maybe the fediverse will allows us to have passports to comment sometimes, I dunno. Sad


Oh, so that’s why the amount of subscribers and the “creator” do not match when you are looking at a communities on other instances.
Is the fact that you can only chat with people from by design or will it be something that will change over time? Is it the same thing with Lemmy?

MeowdyPardner avatar

It's only temporary both due to the server being overloaded and because cloudflare has been temporarily added to protect against DDOS-like traffic. It was working fine before the influx started and it's still working intermittently but there is a way to fix cludflare or it might be removed, so soon it should be federating comments and replies again like it used to.

lixus98 avatar

Only temporary, kbin is designed to work with other federated places like Lemmy, however due to the amount of traffic is experiencing is disabled at the moment, otherwise the site would go down as it would not be able to handle the requests.

lixus98 avatar

This is only temporary, on /kbin you are able to see the posts and also the comments all across the fediverse, but because the sheer amount of traffic that we are experiencing federation is now disabled.
Once the problems are solved you will be able to reply to threads outside /kbin

tal avatar

I strongly suspect that all of the fediverse options will smash into various scaling and abuse (spam, attacks on the network a la how IRC did in the past) if they get a userbase a significant portion the size of Reddit's.

It's possible that some option on the fediverse will get there over time as they work on those issues, but I don't think that they will simply be able to deal with a transfer of Reddit's entire userbase today.

Reddit's developers spent a long time working on those issues as Reddit grew. They didn't just have things working from the get-go.

HeartyBeast avatar

You can see how this works in Mastodon. Individual instances simply cut off other instances they don’t want the federate with.

It will sort itself out.

tal avatar

If there's sufficient demand, I expect it will eventually, but that's not what I'm saying. You don't get scalability for free from federation, nor do you get abuse resistance. There's going to need to be work on on the dev side relative to the state of things now, and it will take time. If you just dump Reddit's userbase on them right now, they're going to have a lot of problems.


Arguably you don't want a big place anyways. Like a village is good, but a city is a problem. In reddit all small subreddits are working quite good while big ones are dysfunctional mess.

VincentDidIt avatar

If you build it they will come. And by it I mean the porn subreddits.

LegendofDragoon avatar

Already started over here, lol. That one came as quite a surprise while scrolling, I'll tell you what!


Where?? Just so I can avoid them;)

LegendofDragoon avatar

I know @butts was a thing, it was the first one I saw.

tal avatar

I'm just figuring out the UI myself, but by default, it looks to me like adult content is hidden by default for new accounts. You'll need to enable them.

Go to the upper right of the webpage, where your account name is. Hover over it to get a drop-down menu. Click on "Settings". Uncheck "Hide adult content".

Slothz avatar

Unfortunately, I think most will filter back and give up. If we want to cause a real change, we need to boycott Reddit permanently until they change their API pricing, or get rid of it altogether. If we don't do that, nothing will change.


I think the real goal should be not to totally boycott them, but to foster better discussion and content on other sites. The traffic will follow. Maybe even start organically linking lemmy/kbin/etc posts in reddit. Reddit has over 2 decades of posts and communities, and it will realistically take a lot of time to get even a fraction of them to move.
The blackout has achieved one thing, and that is showing people there are alternatives.

Saturdaycat avatar

I agree - I am sad to say that this whole temporary blackout is not really going to do a whole lot

MeowdyPardner avatar

I think it will go a lot like mastodon. Many people will go right back, and it won't be a decisive win against reddit (and federation skeptics will paint that as a complete failure for lemmy/kbin), but like mastodon there will probably be enough people to sustain some communities, and it will continue to grow with new influxes of users/traffic every time reddit does something stupid. I think the threadiverse is here to stay at least, and I think that will be hugely validating for the federated model.


The only way to prevent that is to get the content here. Share that shit you've been keeping quiet.

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