ajsadauskas, (edited )
@ajsadauskas@aus.social avatar

If you care about the planet, please make sure you sit down before you start reading this post about ExxonMobil.

So.

The CEO of ExxonMobil just said this in an interview: "We’ve waited too long to open the aperture on the solution sets in terms of what we need, as a society, to start reducing emissions."

https://fortune.com/2024/02/27/exxon-ceo-darren-woods-interview-pay-the-price-for-net-zero/

Who's the most influential voice on climate change? Who's to blame for inaction on climate change?

According to the CEO of ExxonMobil, it's environmental activists.

No, really:

"Frankly, society, and the activist—the dominant voice in this discussion—has tried to exclude the industry that has the most capacity and the highest potential for helping with some of the technologies."

Oh, and the CEO of ExxonMobil also apparently thinks consumers are to blame for climate inaction:

"Today we have opportunities to make fuels with lower carbon, but people aren’t willing to spend the money to do that."

Gets better.

He thinks unnamed 'people who generate emissions' should pay for it. (Rather than, say, major transnational oil companies.)

"People who are generating the emissions need to be aware of [it] and pay the price. That’s ultimately how you solve the problem."

https://fortune.com/2024/02/27/exxon-ceo-darren-woods-interview-pay-the-price-for-net-zero/

Worth including a quick reminder here that Exxon-Mobil made a US$36 billion profit in 2023: https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/exxon-beats-estimates-ends-2023-with-36-billion-profit-2024-02-02/#:~:text=HOUSTON%2C%20Feb%202%20(Reuters),higher%20oil%20and%20gas%20production.

Not gross revenue.

Profit.

So, remind me again. Who knew about climate change before most of the public?

"Exxon was aware of climate change, as early as 1977, 11 years before it became a public issue... This knowledge did not prevent the company (now ExxonMobil and the world’s largest oil and gas company) from spending decades refusing to publicly acknowledge climate change and even promoting climate misinformation."

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/exxon-knew-about-climate-change-almost-40-years-ago/

And just who, exactly, stood in the way reducing emissions all these years?

"ExxonMobil executives privately sought to undermine climate science even after the oil and gas giant publicly acknowledged the link between fossil fuel emissions and climate change, according to previously unreported documents...

"The new revelations are based on previously unreported documents subpoenaed by New York’s attorney general as part of an investigation into the company announced in 2015. They add to a slew of documents that record a decades-long misinformation campaign waged by Exxon, which are cited in a growing number of state and municipal lawsuits against big oil."

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/sep/14/exxonmobil-documents-wall-street-journal-climate-science

@fuck_cars

CelloMomOnCars,
@CelloMomOnCars@mastodon.social avatar

Concerned about climate change?
You need to read @ajsadauskas 's 👆🏼 post (and some of the replies).

Besides denial, gaslighting (shoving responsibility on you), and greenwashing, the fossil fuel industry push to label climate activists as criminals.

Don't believe it?
They've been doing this for a while now, organised by such "institutions" as the Atlas network and ALEC.

https://newrepublic.com/article/175488/meet-shadowy-global-network-vilifying-climate-protesters

@fuck_cars

Tattered,
@Tattered@mastodon.social avatar

@ajsadauskas @fuck_cars He’s the CEO of Exxon! We know he’s an evil lying shit before he opens his mouth. Everything else is just embellishment.

Jgmeadows,
@Jgmeadows@mstdn.ca avatar

@Tattered Right wing politicians will line up to bend the knee, and declare everything he says to be gospel.

SNerd, (edited )
@SNerd@lor.sh avatar

@ajsadauskas @fuck_cars
It was said years ago, when climate change becomes undeniable, the deniers will blame the environmentalists. And that was a prediction not a joke.

waderoberts,
@waderoberts@aus.social avatar

@SNerd @ajsadauskas @fuck_cars projection is a tightly-coupled comorbidity of bad faith interlocutors.

fluids_guru,
@fluids_guru@kolektiva.social avatar

@SNerd @ajsadauskas @fuck_cars Colleague of mine has always felt when the true impacts arrive, scientists will be blamed. “Why didn’t you tell us it would be this bad?”

meena,
@meena@glitch.social avatar

@fluids_guru @SNerd @ajsadauskas @fuck_cars the problem is that what scientist think of as conservative, and what politicians think of as conservative does not mash in this particular scenario.

the whole institution of science has been put into a corner where it's not their job to speak up, and if individual scientists do, this can have dramatic repercussions for their career. you'd need the entirety of climate science standing behind those crazy "activists" (scientists who are speaking out)

shekinahcancook,
@shekinahcancook@babka.social avatar

@ajsadauskas @fuck_cars

What he's saying us that the poor and middle class need to be forced out of fossil fuel usage by pricing them out of the market, but leaving production alone so rich people can continue their lifestyle uninterrupted. That was always the plan.

voracitude, (edited )

You may want to add some information about all the subsidies the oil industry still gets, year on year, while the US government slashes subsidies for renewables: e360.yale.edu/…/fossil-fuels-received-5-9-trillio…

The only way the oil industry can even remain viable, let alone competitive, is to prop it up with an unfair advantage in government money.

ajsadauskas,
@ajsadauskas@aus.social avatar

@voracitude I think the biggest subsidy of all is the hidden one.

Burning fossil fuels leads to more frequent and severe floods, droughts, bushfires, heatwaves, and hurricanes.

The costs of rebuilding and recovering from those disasters are a cost of using fossil fuels.

If the fossil fuel companies aren't paying that cost, they're receiving a subsidy. And it's already a massive one.

Also.

I didn't include it in the post above, but apparently the CEO of ExxonMobil is also totally against subsidies...

For climate action:

"The way that the government is incentivized and trying to catalyze investments in this space is through subsidies. Driving significant investments at a scale that even gets close to moving the needle is going to cost a lot of money.

...

"But I would tell you building a business on government subsidy is not a long-term sustainable strategy—we don’t support that."

https://fortune.com/2024/02/27/exxon-ceo-darren-woods-interview-pay-the-price-for-net-zero/

Jgmeadows,
@Jgmeadows@mstdn.ca avatar

@ajsadauskas @voracitude When it comes to paying the cost, if you ask the O & G companies that own the government in Alberta, Canada, the answer is simple; everyone but them will pay the price; they are much too busy enjoying their subsidies to be responsible.

pelotron,
@pelotron@midwest.social avatar

Our military presence in the Middle East is a gigantic oil subsidy. Who does he think it is that is escorting oil tankers lol.

geolaw,

Externalisimg costs is classic strategy

biciuc,
@biciuc@urbanists.social avatar

@ajsadauskas @fuck_cars did the CEO of ExxonMobil just say he supports a carbon tax?

brianstorms,
@brianstorms@mastodon.social avatar

@ajsadauskas @fuck_cars

Just remember, “Net Zero” is properly pronounced as “not zero” and should always be accompanied by a nudge, wink, and sh*t-eating grin.

klausfiend, (edited )
@klausfiend@dcerberus.com avatar

@ajsadauskas @fuck_cars Oh JFC, die in a fire, ExxonMobil. Preferrably one that resists conventional suppression techniques.

rexbron,
@rexbron@mstdn.ca avatar

@ajsadauskas @fuck_cars Nothing we can do about it now, says company that actively campaigned to do nothing.

susankayequinn,
@susankayequinn@wandering.shop avatar

@ajsadauskas @fuck_cars omfg my blood pressure did not need this

gneilyo,
@gneilyo@mastodon.online avatar

@ajsadauskas @fuck_cars he’s still salty about activist ruining his little party last December

Habrok42,
@Habrok42@chaos.social avatar

@ajsadauskas @fuck_cars The questions I have regarding this "interview": Why wasn't he asked after these statements since when Exxon knew about climate change and how Exxon acted on these internal information? Was it an interview or a PR piece for Exxon?

whatzaname,
@whatzaname@kolektiva.social avatar

@ajsadauskas @fuck_cars It's all just capitalism doing exactly as it's supposed to do. Until we actually refuse to cooperate with capitalism-- refuse to work for capitalism, consume capitalism, defend capitalism-- we are all dooming humanity to be crushed to death by profit-seekers.
Base our interactions on humanity and its interconnected place in Life, not on Economy, which serves only the powerful, manipulative, murderous few.
Before you say it can't happen, try doing it.

Richy222,
@Richy222@mastodon.social avatar
nathaliaassaad, (edited )

@whatzaname @ajsadauskas @fuck_cars
I’ll start with a couple of tips:
One easy way to buy books without using Amazon or other monsters (and helping small independent booksellers)
Buy your books (preferably used if author is dead) through Biblio.com.
One easy way to listen to Audiobooks without subsidizing anyone’s yacht or NYC penthouse at Audible:
Use Libby combined with your library card.
Also for physical books!

TomSwirly,
@TomSwirly@toot.community avatar

@ajsadauskas @fuck_cars What penalty is appropriate for someone who dooms all of our descendants to a destroyed ecosystem, and then blames the very people who tried desperately to stop him for his own crimes?

Until truly, truly terrible things happen to these people, they will continue to escalate their attacks on all of our grandchildren, while mocking us, like they are doing in this quote.

Lats,
@Lats@aus.social avatar

@TomSwirly @ajsadauskas @fuck_cars a lot of people are experiential, if it didn’t happen to them then they can’t relate to it. It isn’t real. If some of these people got caught in a bushfire and then got flooded and had their boat sunk by a cyclone, they may get it. Till then….

evilotto,
@evilotto@sfba.social avatar

@ajsadauskas @fuck_cars back sometime in the 80s a MAD Magazine issue had a bit called something like "What is Chutzpah?" with various helpful illustrations. The only one I remember was "pretty much anything you do if you're an executive of an oil company."

Ah, good times.

voron,
@voron@mstdn.party avatar

@fuck_cars @ajsadauskas kinda like excluding tobacco companies from the directing the fight against cancer

Hextubewontallowme,

Where are the firing squads, when we need to put the fossil fuel moguls to death?

onlooker,
@onlooker@lemmy.ml avatar

The article was paywalled for me, so here: web.archive.org/…/exxon-ceo-darren-woods-intervie…

The pictures are blurred out, but then again you’re better off not looking at this lying bastard’s face.

lgsp,
@lgsp@urbanists.social avatar

@grantennis this may be relevant for you!

@fuck_cars

pedrobizbikedu,
@pedrobizbikedu@mastodon.world avatar

@ajsadauskas @fuck_cars A vile man spreading disinformation; he'd have a bright future in the Republican Party.

onlooker, (edited )
@onlooker@lemmy.ml avatar

If you found information that is false, you could have pointed it out and corrected it. Instead you just accused them of spreading disinformation - wherever in the post that might be - without elaborating further and called them vile. Which, I might add, is against the rules.

Someone would indeed have a bright future in the Republican Party, but it’s not OP.

EDIT: I withdraw the above statement. I was under the impression that the commenter was accusing OP of disinformation.

BreakDecks,

It’s against the rules to call the CEO of ExxonMobil a vile man?

Fuck that. I’ll say it myself. Exxon Mobil CEO Darren Woods is a vile piece of shit and if he weren’t actively destroying the planet with oil he’d be perfectly suited as a Republican politician given his aversion to truth.

onlooker,
@onlooker@lemmy.ml avatar

And I agree! It’s just that the original comment sounded like they were accusing OP of spreading misinformation, not Exxon’s CEO. I will retract my earlier statement. Also, apologies to @pedrobizbikedu.

BreakDecks, (edited )

Mastodon users’ posts always include threaded usernames.

fstateaudio,
@fstateaudio@mastodon.sdf.org avatar

@pedrobizbikedu Why would he give up his position as puppet-master of both parties to be a puppet in just one?

@ajsadauskas @fuck_cars

pedrobizbikedu,
@pedrobizbikedu@mastodon.world avatar
afterconnery,
@afterconnery@en.osm.town avatar

@ajsadauskas @fuck_cars "Pay the price" hmm...to whom? Prob himself. Jackass.

rohan_p,
@rohan_p@aus.social avatar
steve_zeke,
@steve_zeke@freeradical.zone avatar

@ajsadauskas @fuck_cars
Thank you for reading that (& summarizing) so I didn’t have to. I think my head would have exploded 🤯

alexhammy,
@alexhammy@hachyderm.io avatar

@ajsadauskas @fuck_cars it's like the herd immunity argument 🤢

xilliah,

These are the kind of people we need the international court of justice for.

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