janNatan,

No, they didn’t. If they did it would be huge news.

Puppy,
Puppy avatar

I'm a huge UFO nerd but even I realize all this story is full of shit.

chicken,
@chicken@lemmy.world avatar

nothing new, theyve been investigating UFOs for a long time. heres some. the government itself hasnt specifically said aliens exist, but its kinda obvious from their documentation and history of handling these types of things.

dylanTheDeveloper,
@dylanTheDeveloper@lemmy.world avatar

The aliens are real and they look like little red astronauts with a single half reflective spherical visor and floating hands. They came to me and beamed me up into there spaceship. Afterwards one of the aliens was found dead and after that they ejected another out into space.

reverendsteveii,

truly they are real, and they walk around near us…wait, shit…

faceless,
@faceless@lemmy.world avatar

dont

FinallyDebunked,
@FinallyDebunked@slrpnk.net avatar

They look like bacteria

Damage,

hmmm… sus tale

UnculturedSwine,

the government just confirmed aliens are real another hack job with government connections is claiming that he was told by government official that alien “biologics” and space craft were recovered by the government without being able to provide evidence or details because it is “classified”

What a nothingburger

captainlezbian,

Yeah this claim is extraordinary and requires evidence equally so

feedum_sneedson,

more of a spunk sandwich

Nabs,

Except his documents were all routed through the Intel Community Inspector General who sent them to congress calling them “urgent and credible.”

And his lawyers are former Inspector Generals.

You say this just because he didnt post things to wikileaks and defect to russia.

The mans trying to make sure he doesnt go to prison.

blazera,
blazera avatar

We say this because no evidence provided.

mamaMiata,

Do you have some sources? Every time I’ve tried to look into it, I get garbage articles and no real information.

Nabs,

thedebrief.org/fact-check-q-a-with-debrief-co-fou…

This is the site that ran the original article prior to in televised interview.

This is part 1 of the fact checking / vetting they did on the whistleblower.

mamaMiata,

Thanks for the link. I was more interested in the original article here that focused on what exactly was revealed.

I’m skeptical with the fact that non-human made artifacts and entire crafts were recovered, especially since no one except extremely secret organizations currently have these materials.

The fact that a well respected member of the intelligence community backed by other well respected members has made come out with these statements does raise eyebrows.

With all that said, the debrief does seem like a credible source of information, and I’m curious to see what this evolves into if other active members of the intelligence community continue to whistleblow on alleged illegal activity.

mamaMiata,

Thanks for the link. I was more interested in the original article here that focused on what exactly was revealed.

I’m skeptical with the fact that non-human made artifacts and entire crafts were recovered, especially since no one except extremely secret organizations currently have these materials.

The fact that a well respected member of the intelligence community backed by other well respected members has come out with these statements does raise eyebrows.

With all that said, the debrief does seem like a credible source of information, and I’m curious to see what this evolves into if other active members of the intelligence community continue to whistleblow on alleged illegal activity.

Pelicanen,

So that says nothing about the information itself but rather just goes on about credentials and employment, with a tidbit about not leaking classified information. It does not provide any justification as to why this person’s claims should be believed rather than just “he worked there”.

Nabs,

It does, the IG that reviewed his case found it to be “urgent and credible” enough to be forwarded to congress.

Again, the man can’t & shouldnt, go full snowden where he just dumps his load and defects to Russia, forsaking his or his family’s future.

So that leaves us in the position of, hey, this guy has a record of credibility and others whove reviewed what he has say its credible and urgent.

It is up to congress to investigate and then declassify.

Pelicanen, (edited )

The information doesn’t have to be evidence of aliens existing to be “urgent and credible”, the statement says “The ICIG found Mr. Grusch’s assertion that information was inappropriately concealed from Congress to be urgent and credible in response to the filed disclosure.” which could mean it can just be about the organizational structure of the agencies, for example.

And I wasn’t going to mention it but this is the second time you bring up Snowden, who neither “[dumped] his load” nor “defected to Russia”. He released information to journalists that the US government was illegally spying on its own citizens as well as its allies in a much broader way than anyone outside imagined. He was then stuck at an airport in Russia because the US government revoked his passport during a flight that landed there. He has repeatedly asked for a fair, public trial instead of being put in a dark box at Guantanamo and received no agreement of that from the US government so he’s stayed in one of the only places where he won’t be extradited to a country that intends to make him disappear. Since then, he’s criticized authoritarianism and governmental overreach while living in one of the most brutal dictatorships on earth, which takes more balls than either of us have.

Galtiel,

But if I can’t needlessly denigrate Mr Snowden, how am I gonna convince you that Men in Black was a documentary about the real aliens that are real and really landed on Earth and work (for real) with the US government?

With credible evidence? But I don’t have any because my guy is so much better than Edward Snowed-in off in Russia!

Puppy,
Puppy avatar

Because the informations are hearsays from one man that may or may not be credible.

Basically it's a premium "trust me bro"

For some it's enough, for the majority it's just another disappointing nothingburger

feedum_sneedson,

for me it’s a spunk sandwich

Nabs,

You didnt read my comment.

If the man “posted pics” he’d be risking his freedom and family’s future.

He was found credible by not only his lawyers but the inspector general so much so that his complaint was levelied to congress.

thedebrief.org/fact-check-q-a-with-debrief-co-fou…

This is the site that ran the original article prior to in televised interview.

This is part 1 of the fact checking / vetting they did on the whistleblower.

Edit: grammar.

Klear,

“Fact checked” by some crackpot website lmao

Scew,
@Scew@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah, pics or it didn’t happen… oh wait, we can literally generate the pics now… shit. Guess we’re out here in the wild west these days…

TropicalDingdong,

The mans trying to make sure he doesnt go to prison.

He’s also clearly operating in such a way that this doesn’t get buried. People dismissing this lack an understanding of how things work in large bureaucracies/ have a fantasy version of how they think the world should work.

So much has come out already, but only for those who have eyes to see and ears to hear.

reverendsteveii,

you know another phrase for “truth that is only for those who have eyes to see and ears to hear”?

cult bullshit.

Duke_Nukem_1990,

but only for those who have eyes to see and ears to hear.

And how lucky, that this applies to you huh? Having secret knowledge feels pretty good, I bet.

Kaliax,

Sure thing, Dingdong.

CountZero,

I wish more than anything that there was evidence of alien life that I could see with my eyes or hear with my ears. For now, we just have some dude saying things with no real evidence.

atzanteol,

So much has come out already, but only for those who have eyes to see and ears to hear.

Only those who are willing to connect dots that shouldn’t be connected. It’s the same old conspiracy BS we’ve heard for decades.

WarmSoda,

So much has come out already, but only for those who have eyes to see and ears to hear.

And that, children, is how you know you’ve already been wearing tinfoil for far too long.

rebelappliance,

So much has come out already, but only for those who have eyes to see and ears to hear.

When people say these kinds of platitudes what they really mean is they love jumping to conclusions based on flimsy evidence and then judge others for not doing so because they’re “programmed” or whatever.

reverendsteveii,

he didn’t even say alien. “alien biologics” while meaningless, was a stronger assertion than he was willing to make. he said “non-human biologics”, which could mean anything from aliens to there was some grass there. he just left it vague and then people like OP who want the truth but also know exactly what they want the truth to be filled in the details using the twin powers of guessing and lying.

captainlezbian,

And important to note: we’ve sent dogs to die in space

elouboub,
elouboub avatar

Because they ain't confirmed shit

shadoh,

If aliens visited earth the government (US or otherwise) wouldn’t be able to hide it

FrankTheHealer,

Whole thing to me feels like some kind of PsyOp or Propaganda thing to hide US testing new weapons/ aircraft etc

Who tf knows though.

Ibaudia,
@Ibaudia@lemmy.world avatar

“the government” lol. It was like one guy who just said it with 0 evidence.

creditCrazy,
@creditCrazy@lemmy.world avatar

The reason why I personally don’t care is because the USA has a history of conferming the existence of aliens when someone sees something they shouldn’t have

hungryphrog,

“The goverment” of what? USA is not the entire world.

ox0r,

Because it is all fucking bullshit

InternetTubes,

They just confirmed that Unidentified Flying Objects and Top Secret classifications were real, and some people who likely make money from the same sources as the modern day History Channel does made a whole bunch of speculations about what were probably quick dried corpses that bulged where the bones and evaporating liquids would have made them bulge that were collected from experimental high altitude tests that distracted a whole bunch of people and actual wild goose chases.

djmarcone,

The US government has near zero credibility. I dgaf what they say wrt aliens.

It may just be a distraction but could be a psyop by the cia for some convoluted reason.

They do seem to be earnestly playing the alien card right now and aren’t letting it up.

That tells me that there will be escalation on this with some end goal in mind. And it will likely be another pain in the ass like their last one.

mind,

The US Government did not say aliens exist. A former military officer said “nonhuman” biological material was in one of the craft they downed. That could mean someone put a monkey or a dog in a test vehicle, it could mean a bird flew into the thing.

Even if he was saying it’s aliens, testifying to congress is not the same thing as the government itself claiming aliens exist. They are reporting to the government, not making statements on behalf of the government.

Pinklink,

B-but that’s now as fun!

PersnickityPenguin,

It could also mean a pile of dog poop

EndlessApollo,

Funny how all the “skeptics” here have to straight up act like the tic tac doesn’t exist. Yea a lot of the claims there were backed up by non existent/classified stuff that couldn’t be revealed publicly, but there’s no human explanation for the way that thing flew

Meowoem,

The two ship based lasers making plasma where they intersect is a very sensible explanation and it’s a project the navy were likely testing during the exercise where the tiktak was filmed, I don’t know why people pretend it doesn’t exist.

EndlessApollo,

So they were just putting on a cool light show and won’t even bother to confirm that’s what happened? And even if that can create a similar looking phenomenon, why would they be doing that? The sky is huge, the chances of those lasers intersecting long enough to create that effect for that long are slim to none imo, unless there was a reason for them to be doing that

HorseRabbit,

“The sky is huge” Lmao

Meowoem,

No it’s an air defence weapon not a light show, they purposely intersect the beams to create plasma to target missiles and planes - a super hot ball of plasma is impossible to defend against and can move as fast as the motors on the laser turrets can reorientate, like how searchlights move faster than planes or now you can just pivot your hips to keep a F1 car in the frame of your camera rather than running along beside it.

It’s got a lot of huge advantages like not requiring ammo so in theory could just slice through a fleet of drones or dozens of decoy missiles without extra cost or logistics however the energy costs are huge so it might not be a fully realisable tool.

I actually think that them sinking billions into r&d but ending up with an impractical device could be why there’s enough drama to get this in the senate - it’s also possible that the whole hearing is designed to look like a poor cover up of the plasma tech so that China thinks it works and invests in r&d only to waste time and effort. The CIA used to do similar to Russia all the time with things like remote viewing.

Certainly I can’t think of a reason aliens would be zigzagging around in busy sky, where as it being a secret test project would also explain all the ‘cover up’ stuff about high level agents taking radar data and telling people not to talk about it, etc.

EndlessApollo,

Is that really how that stuff works?? I always thought the idea was that the laser would track the missile and melt it out of the sky. What you’re saying sounds super high tech I’ve never heard of that, I’m gonna look that up tonight bc that sounds really cool even if it’s not practical bc energy costs

Meowoem,

The simple laser pointer style takes huge amounts of energy and has more limited range from what I understand, this is a newer idea that they’ve been talking about.

Of course beside a few bits of information it’s all classified so we can only really guess about it, this article is really interesting they’re talking about using it to distract heat seekling missiles but also as a kind of display firework that can be controlled. forbes.com/…/ufos-plasma-lasers-and-the-pentagons… the voice of God bit makes me think of those Tesla coils playing the Tetris theme. I might have been wrong about it being an effective counter weapon but I’m sure I read it was planned to counter drone swarms so maybe they’ve been able to up the heat or sustainability of it.

dopeshark,
@dopeshark@lemmy.world avatar

Let’s ask those aliens for affordable homes :)

GiddyGap,

I’m gonna go for universal healthcare and affordable college education.

demlet,

I mean, setting aside the lack of actual evidence so far, what effect will it have on most of us? Is the world suddenly going to become a utopia because aliens have been here? At best we get some cool technology that governments and the rich will hoard; at worst we get conscripted to go kill them and take their shit, or are forced to defend ourselves from them trying to take our shit. I’ve never really understood why aliens imply anything other than that. The truth is, if they do have something truly transcendent to teach us, we ain’t ready for it. If we want to find the secrets of the universe we need to put our own house in order and do it ourselves. Aliens aren’t our space saviors.

ElectricAirship,
@ElectricAirship@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Religions would have to wreckon with a lot of their foundations…

Phen,

“have to” is a bit strong. Religions ignore inconvenient truths about the world all the time. If aliens were confirmed to exist it wouldn’t be different. >

bumblychicken,

Would they though? I feel like the biggest ones would accommodate this revelation. “Yes, extraterrestrials exist but WE are God’s chosen species” Same reason a lot of animals don’t get into heaven lol

explodicle,

IIRC Mormons already believe God created multiple inhabited planets.

LinkOpensChest_wav,
@LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one avatar

I keep hoping they’ll imprison us and keep me as their pet. I’d prefer that life.

Korne127,
@Korne127@lemmy.world avatar

You can have that life now 👀

demlet,

Now kiss.

ihwip,

The fact that they haven’t made contact with the entire globe in a way that is undisputable etc is proof that they are mostly apathetic.

This is why they mostly stick to military bases with nukes. Even their offensive technology is apathetic. Disrupting our electronics etc. They clearly don’t care.

With that said should we really call them aliens? Chances are they have been here longer than the entire history of the hominid line.

demlet,

Or maybe proof that, you know, they aren’t here and never were…

peanut_boy,

Why does everything need to have personal gain to matter at all. I get the whole “no actual evidence” part. But if we actually see aliens and you’re not impressed, I don’t think we can be friends. Don’t blame capitalism, you’re just lame. Sure, there are real problems, but people throughout history have had it far worse and still managed to care about things outside of their own tiny microcosm. Many people enjoy these things not in spite of but because of their personal struggles, as they can act as an escape for a short time. If you’re going to have economic troubles anyway, why spend all your time dwelling in it?

BeMoreCareful,

I don’t think that person is talking about their personal thoughts, but more mankind as a whole.

As we operate now we would not have to tools to add anything meaningful to a galactic conversation.

We could all personally think it’s awesome, but as a people we are simply unequipped to deal with the consequences of meeting an extraterrestrial race.

People are sort of great individually, but collectively we’re horrific. We’d be trying to kill, enslave, or exploit any new species we came across. It’s what we do with new species. Hell it’s what we do to each other.

demlet,

True, it would be amazing. I’m just ambivalent about the long-term impact. Like, would much really change ultimately? I guess we’ve never experienced another species we could directly communicate ideas with. Maybe it would be more revolutionary than I can imagine.

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