maegul,
@maegul@lemmy.ml avatar

So, not that parallel communities are at all bad, I feel like it’s warranted to ask why this community when we’ve already got the dedicated startrek instance and its communities: startrek.website, such as !startrek and !risa?

At this point in the growth of lemmy, I feel like unneeded duplication without any reason doesn’t really help things. Should a community die we can always start new ones where ever we want. But splitting things and making it harder for users to navigate the space probably isn’t a good idea unless there’s something you want to achieve with this community?

fiat_lux,

It might have something to do with no longer being able to participate: https://startrek.website/modlog?page=1&userId=162731

YoBuckStopsHere,
@YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world avatar

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  • klieg2323,
    YoBuckStopsHere,
    @YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world avatar

    As soon as I realized it was the reddit mods I knew there would be a need for an alternative community. This isn’t reddit where they can ban rivals communities.

    sabreW4K3,
    @sabreW4K3@lemmy.tf avatar

    That’s a lot of homophobia there

    samus12345,
    @samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

    Oh, so it’s just another “I got banned for being an asshole so I’m making my own community with blackjack and hookers!” situation.

    Mr_Buscemi,
    @Mr_Buscemi@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    The open mod logs are fucking amazing.

    This is the funniest shit I’ve seen today lmao.

    You see that OP had started the whole argument too? They brought up Discovery in a Strange New worlds episode discussion. Said the episode was the anti of what the discovery creator wanted and then stated all the bigotry shit when asked to explain.

    samus12345,
    @samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

    Yup, I actually remembered those comments from when I was on that thread the other day. Didn’t pay attention to the username, of course, so I didn’t know he was OP until it was pointed out here. These toxic Star Trek “fans” are so annoying. I don’t like Discovery, either, but it has nothing to do with the cast and everything to do with the writing.

    Mr_Buscemi,
    @Mr_Buscemi@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    The moment somebody complains that a current star trek is too progressive I just have to laugh.

    From the very beginning the show has been progressive in social issues!

    To make a whole new sub because you got banned for complaining a ST show was too progressive is just fucking priceless. OP is straight up living the bender meme and doesn’t even realize it.

    I gotta say again I love the public mod logs. I feel so much catharsis from this after once being a target of /r/watchRedditDie. A user lied and said I banned him for posting a picture of Snoo pissing on the flag. I had actually banned him for posting a picture of hornets coming out of a penis.

    samus12345,
    @samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

    From the very beginning the show has been progressive in social issues!

    Absolutely. I have to conclude that these “fans” never actually got the message of the show from the beginning. Is there plenty to criticize Nutrek for in comparison to the older shows? Certainly. But being “woke” isn’t one of them.

    Mr_Buscemi,
    @Mr_Buscemi@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    Damn I love Lemmy lol.

    The open modlog is great.

    OP getting banned seems sorta justified if that log is what caused it. Stating that the show(ST Discovery) they have issues with was progressive and then commenting how it made every non-gay white character evil or negative is really just the type of shit I used to see on Twitter when the show was first coming out.

    That’s not even mentioning that the whole reason the comment chain started was because OP brought up his hate for the creator of Discovery in a discussion for a Strange New World episode. There was no need for the whole conversation to begin besides OP wanting to cause an argument. Mods didn’t want to deal with that shit.

    Datas_Cat_Spot,
    @Datas_Cat_Spot@startrek.website avatar

    I say the more the merrier. I’m still going to use startrek.website, but it’s good to have a presence on other instances to avoid becoming reddit.

    maegul, (edited )
    @maegul@lemmy.ml avatar

    Yea like I said, not against parallel communities at all. Just curious what the motivation is here, and also feel that right now, just as the migration wave has stopped, it might be a good time to sort of “take care of the space” where we can.

    Though I do hope user defined multi-communities come at some point to help out smaller communities. It’s so easy to lose track of them as a user.

    YoBuckStopsHere,
    @YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world avatar

    When the final season of STD premieres it will become clear.

    maegul,
    @maegul@lemmy.ml avatar

    In many ways I hope not.

    On the whole, I really don’t like Discovery. But we all know what the show is and isn’t and now it’s cancelled with Trek moving on in other forms. There isn’t really anything to talk about any more apart from some insightful retrospectives. A community full of people critiquing a show for being what we all know it is in its fifth season doesn’t sound like a necessarily healthy thing TBH.

    YoBuckStopsHere,
    @YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world avatar

    The Academy show and Section 31 series are ripe for controversy.

    Luci,
    @Luci@lemmy.ca avatar

    !risa is worth a sub!

    UpperBroccoli,

    I am am uppity vegetable and I approve this message!

    Datas_Cat_Spot,
    @Datas_Cat_Spot@startrek.website avatar

    Get out of the holodeck, Lt Broccoli

    howdy,

    Literally one of my favorite lemmy communities.

    NightOwl,

    Yeah, at this point feel like it’d be more helpful for some communities to exist bu restrict posts and redirect people to instances that have an established community so serving as a guide on where to go.

    Much like how back on reddit there’d be subs that only served that purpose of redirecting users to the main community despite having millions of active users.

    YoBuckStopsHere,
    @YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world avatar

    We don’t want a clone of reddit which was very restricted. We know LW is well funded, the other one is not.

    bdonvr,

    Those two sentences seem completely unrelated

    sabreW4K3,
    @sabreW4K3@lemmy.tf avatar

    Lemmy World also has a lot of downtime. It seems an odd decision to host your community there, but good luck.

    YoBuckStopsHere,
    @YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world avatar

    DDOS attacks happen.

    lolcatnip,

    Not wanting to copy every aspect of Reddit is fine, and kind of the point of Lemmy even. But pretending like everything that happens in Reddit sucks just because it’s on Reddit reeks of sour grapes.

    YoBuckStopsHere,
    @YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world avatar

    Paramount controlling what is said on forums doesn’t sit well with everyone. What they did on reddit will not occur here.

    PeleSpirit, (edited )

    Because people can have their own community, just like on reddit? The only reason on reddit that you saw those redirects was because people got that community name and did it themselves. In a small amount of cases, it might have been for the standard communities that reddit set up in the beginning too, but there should be very few like that.

    NightOwl,

    Because people can have their own community, just like on reddit?

    Never was questioning that. Was more a comment on the small size of the userbase, and how it’s led to some created communities that ended up dead fast as some communities haven’t had the numbers to sustain activity. By all means there’s nothing preventing people from doing what they want.

    Just a observation pondering about what can be done to help activity of created communities taking into consideration the decentralized nature of the fediverse.

    PeleSpirit,

    I see someone said lower down that the one you’re talking about is run by controlling people from reddit, I see options as better to combat that sort of thing.

    NightOwl,

    Like I said there is nothing keeping people from making communities.

    YoBuckStopsHere,
    @YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world avatar

    It’s really poorly managed and run by the same people who run the reddit subreddit. They don’t have a good track record on moderating and frequently ban anyone posting criticism.

    Unlike that site, we accept all Star Trek fans, both old and Nu.

    Kichae,

    It seems well managed to me. I get that one may not like their decisions, but I don't think that's the same thing as being poorly managed.

    And, like, it's their website. They can choose what content they host there however they like. And I welcome a space where people who don't want to abide by their choices can keep doing their thing.

    klieg2323,

    I would say it is poorly managed for the fact that their rules and community standards are not clearly outlined. They ban for reasons not listed in their rules. For a community this large, there needs to be some sort of outlined expectations. It’s fairly apparent they are more interested in moderating the subreddit and this Lemmy community is downstream of that in their minds. Expecting us to just magically know the subreddit standards without being listed out is textbook bad management.

    maegul,
    @maegul@lemmy.ml avatar

    Any more detail on that? I hang out there and haven’t had or seen any trouble.

    I’ve been critical and gotten pushback from the admin (I was criticising Discovery, as you might imagine), but so long as I could explain my opinion and do so politely there didn’t seem to be an issue at all, and I don’t think that’s an unreasonable standard.

    If a different moderation policy is what you’re offering here … could you elaborate on that?

    klieg2323,

    This has been going on for some time and trying to be kept quiet by the mods/admins of that instance

    YoBuckStopsHere,
    @YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world avatar

    It’s the same mods that run the reddit subreddit. That says all you need to know.

    gamer,

    The real problem is that there aren’t any good tools for users to deal with this. As a user, I wish I could just join some kind of meta community that aggregates content from multiple communities, instead of having to manually track down and join all the random star trek instances on the fediverse.

    Having a lot of communities for the same topic is ultimately good, but the user experience needs to be good too.

    YoBuckStopsHere,
    @YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world avatar

    Which is our goal. We want a rich and vibrant Star Trek community. One that isn’t restricted to Paramount approval.

    maegul,
    @maegul@lemmy.ml avatar

    One that isn’t restricted to Paramount approval.

    Wait … what? You think startrek.website (I’m guessing) is subject to Paramount’s whims or astroturfing? Where does that come from?

    I’m also guessing part of the idea of this community is to be more openly critical like the “free people, we don’t bend the knee” sort of sub-reddit? Which is fine … just trying to get a feel here and I think being open and clear is good.

    YoBuckStopsHere,
    @YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world avatar

    When STD releases it will be very obvious. Just watch their modlog as they ban anyone critical of the series. Unlike reddit they can’t hide their actions on lemmy.

    gamer,

    I’m getting the impression that you were banned from their community for something you posted, and decided to start your own community with blackjack and hookers in response.

    YoBuckStopsHere,
    @YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world avatar

    The banned me after I started this community apparently.

    maegul,
    @maegul@lemmy.ml avatar

    Having a lot of communities for the same topic is ultimately good, but the user experience needs to be good too.

    Yea, and we’re in a moment right now where making a new parallel community can actually disrupt the user experience, IMO.

    Though, to be clear, it would be good if some features came to make it easier to participate and keep up with multiple parallel communities.

    klieg2323,

    The mods on startrek.website are the same ones from reddit and care little about transparency or actually hosting a star trek community that fosters open discussion. They are frequently banning usersthat voice opinions that don’t break any rules except mod opinion.

    This has been going on for some time and is the perfect use case for why decentralizing common discussion topics is a feature, not a bug, of the fediverse/lemmy

    maegul,
    @maegul@lemmy.ml avatar

    I mean, I read the article you linked to (and wrote?), and it wasn’t really substantive, so I’m not sure moderating it was particularly egregious. I liked talking about the history of nu-trek production and what people have been involved at what times … that’s interesting stuff! But most of the opinions in the article were, IMO, crude, shallow and unsubstantiated TBH.

    Still, I think it’s been made clear … this community will be about fostering a more openly critical and opinionated space … that’s cool … go for it. It might be nice to explain that in the sidebar or something if it hasn’t already.

    YoBuckStopsHere,
    @YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world avatar

    That is part but not all. We are fostering a true Star Trek community that welcomes all Star Trek fans. It’s something the larger Star Trek community has been longing for but it has not been available until now. If you want to explore all of what Star Trek has to offer, our community strives to spotlight it. We are inclusive and not restrictive. As long as you are respectful toward community members your subscription is welcomed.

    klieg2323,

    The com at the time was dominated by discussion of the Prodigy cancellation, so it was a relevant topic and not being overly critical for the sake of being overly critical. It presented an opinion of the cancelation that wasnt predicting doom and gloom for the franchise like the mod line being pushed at the time.

    Even if it isn’t substantial, why isn’t there a list of blocked domains? Or a rule about it? It could have spurred a discussion in the comments, what makes a community forum like this so special. The point is it didn’t violate any community standards. Then when I tried to open a discussion about it to try and refine the rules/community standards moving forward (early days of reddit emigration) I was permabanned for starting drama.

    I’m not looking for a com where everyone is super critical. I am looking for one where mods are acting as petty little tyrants banning well meaning contributors because they don’t have the exact same opinion on certain things as they do.

    The mods are more interested in the reddit community and it shows. It’s clear Lemmy is downstream of reddit to them.

    YoBuckStopsHere,
    @YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world avatar

    Which our community is lemmy centric and will be nurtured into a thriving community of Star Trek fans.

    beefcat,
    @beefcat@lemmy.world avatar

    My experience with the /r/startrek mods is that while they aren’t super transparent, their actions are usually justified.

    A lot of people who get banned for “the wrong opinions” aren’t banned for their opinion, they are banned fro their aggressive behavior. Some people want a space where they can be loud and angry, and those mods don’t want to provide that space. I’m fine with that. I don’t like communities where I log in and the top posts are always people loudly making the same complaints day in and day out. Plenty of negative opinions and discussion were allowed on /r/startrek, as long as it was kept civil and constructive.

    Just a few weeks ago we ran into this on tildes, a site not even dedicated to star trek. We had someone complaining about the /r/startrek mods, then going on to post really angry yet lazy comments about Star Trek that do not fit the Tildes community guidelines. They were asked to straighten up. It’s not about the opinions, it’s about the behavior.

    GustavoM,
    @GustavoM@lemmy.world avatar

    Welcome home lads.

    beefcat,
    @beefcat@lemmy.world avatar

    startrek.website already exists though.

    YoBuckStopsHere,
    @YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world avatar

    More is always better

    klieg2323,
    burningquestion,

    I don’t think there’s anything wrong with massive duplication of communities, but exclusive home on Lemmy? Really? When there’s literally already an entire instance dedicated to Trek?

    YoBuckStopsHere,
    @YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world avatar

    Lemmy World

    someguy3,

    Stop with the duplicate communities. We already have StarTrek@startrek.website.

    z500,
    @z500@startrek.website avatar

    I mean, if people want to go with the community that some gadfly started because they got banned from the main one so they can shit that one up instead, I say good riddance

    YoBuckStopsHere,
    @YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world avatar

    We can have many communities. That way everyone is free to discuss what the like, what they dislike, and enjoy it together.

    someguy3,

    Many communities will work when Lemmy has tens of millions of users. Until then, stop with the duplicate communities.

    YoBuckStopsHere,
    @YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world avatar

    Now is when we establish the communities and users will go where they feel welcomed, enjoy the content, and can freely express themselves (good or bad). That is the point of the Fediverse! Free market of user content.

    freamon,

    The state of Star Trek on Lemmy:

    startrek@lemm.ee, 122 subscribers, 10 posts
    startrek@lemmygrad.ml, 463 subscribers, 139 posts
    startrek@lemmy.ml, 1015 subscribers, 48 posts
    startrek@lemmy.piperservers.net, 73 subscribers, 5 posts
    startrek@lemmy.zip, 157 subscribers, 16 posts
    startrek@possumpat.io, 582 subscribers, 33 posts
    startrek@startrek.website, 7567 subscribers, 375 posts
    startrek@lemmy.world, 55 subscribers, 15 posts

    HewlettHackard,

    What is this list sorted by?

    glorious_albus,

    Alphabetical I guess? No idea why lemmy.world is last though.

    YoBuckStopsHere,
    @YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world avatar

    We launched less than 24 hours ago so maybe by establishment.

    freamon,

    Sorry, it’s not sorted by anything really - the existing communities are just alphabetical, and I manually added this new one. I wasn’t really expecting much scrutiny, tbh.

    sabreW4K3,
    @sabreW4K3@lemmy.tf avatar

    😂 I love you for this comment

    Magister,
    @Magister@lemmy.world avatar

    don’t forget there is !startrek which is a big community

    livedeified,
    @livedeified@lemmy.world avatar

    this is my preferred one. centered on discussion instead of memes.

    klieg2323,

    Unless that discussion violates mod opinion

    YoBuckStopsHere,
    @YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world avatar
    Firipu,
    @Firipu@startrek.website avatar

    Yeah, I’ll stick to startrek.website tbh. While I appreciate the effort, I don’t see the need.

    SSUPII,

    !startrek for federation

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