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  • neocamel,

    The article seems to indicate that the loss of 200 satellites is largely attributed to solar flares, not orbit degradation.

    ripcord avatar

    And the point of the article is that this is higher than expected.

    It is also potentially interesting for people that weren't aware of how often these satellites will deorbit and so the potential costs associated. Even people aware that this happens may not have thought about it much with Starlink or be aware of the scope.

    OP is being a little stupid with the editorializing, and the article could be better, but the article is generally good and useful.


    The difference between an orbit that lasts 5 years and one that lasts a hundred is approximately 100-200km, the limit is quite sharp and actually quite tricky to get exactly right. That will cost you about a millisecond or two in latency tops. It is more likely that SpaceX is required to adhere to rules made by the FCC/FAA.

    ripcord avatar

    550km height is partly to ensure that they WILL deorbit in a reasonable time if failed or EOL. Which is important for such a huge number of (relatively cheap) satellites.


    Well thats what I said. Thats why the LEO orbit height currently is mandated by the FCC, and likely was in some form when starlink initally launched too.


    That’s because we’re not fucking morons like you and we understand the realities of life.

    Listen, fuck Elon, to be crystal clear. But also, OP, fuck you too for being the same brand of cringe.

    “Space shit” is hard; you’re going to lose a bunch of satellites if you’re putting that many up there, it’s planned, and this is within the expected norms… Maybe dont be such a gigacunt, it’s super unattractive.

    Find something real to bitch about; there’s no shortage. This just reeks of laziness and stupidity.

    Blocking you because one Elon is enough already.

    ThatOneKirbyMain2568 avatar

    Okay, being harsh and insulting just isn't necessary. Yes, OP got something wrong — they posted something that they thought was significant but actually isn't — but why not correct them like a reasonable person? In general, we should be trying to encourage discussion and foster a positive community, and that means treating other people like human beings when they don't know much about space stuff.

    But noooooo, we need dopamine from cussing out people who've been on Kbin for a day because they dared post about satellites being lost without knowing that it doesn't mean that much. You might as well have told them to fuck off and never come back. And of course, this is the comment that gets all the upvotes.

    How are people supposed to feel comfortable posting when any error they make is going to be met with insults and blocks? You're talking to another person, ffs, and personally attacking them over something as small as this. Communities aren't enjoyable when people are supporting this stuff.


    Making an error is one thing. Gloating about something that's been accounted for and is completely expected as if it's some major gotcha without an ounce of understanding is, in my opinion, 100% worthy of derision.

    ThatOneKirbyMain2568 avatar

    But here's the thing: OP didn't know that it was accounted for and expected. And if it wasn't expected (or we, like OP, weren't aware), many of us would probably also mock Elon sort something of the sort. It's not malice. It's simply not knowing something.

    Why couldn't this commenter have maturely and informatively told OP why they were wrong? That would've made OP aware of their mistake and cautious of making similar errors in the future without discouraging them from contributing entirely. It's clearly not difficult to do, as other comments did it.

    The only reason for someone to personally insult someone over this is because it makes them feel better, they find it funny, etc. It doesn't help OP or the community. It's just for someone to get a quick laugh from bringing down other people for not knowing something, and that's not something people should support or condone on the fediverse.


    You’re giving OP too much credit and assuming I don’t know what I’m talking about. That’s cool, you do you, but know that this isn’t the first time OP has posted this, and it’s not the first time someone has told them this. Also OP is sus in general.


    It doesn't help OP or the community.

    While I agree with most of what you said, I disagree on this point. Could he have worded it better? Been nicer? Tried understanding OP's extremely warped perception of reality? Sure, but at the same time, OP set the tone by making an extremely smug, ignorant post. An old adage comes to mind: "arguing with an idiot is like playing chess with a chicken - it's just going to knock all the pieces over, shit all over the board, and strut around like it won." In cases like that, a stern "fuck off" is not only warranted, but in the best interests of building a healthy community. I want to debate things with people, not play chess against a chicken.

    ThatOneKirbyMain2568 avatar

    OP set the tone by making an extremely smug, ignorant post.

    Neither smugness nor ignorance warrants this kind of response.

    Starting with the latter, someone not knowing something, especially something benign like "Oh, expensive satellites being lost is expected," is in no world a reason for insulting them or telling them to leave. It's not like OP is maliciously trying to spread misinformation. They shared news that they thought was a bad look for Elon Musk but actually wasn't. The appropriate response is a simple correction, not a stern "fuck off", and definitely not a barrage of personal insults.

    As for smugness, let's assume that this post was about something that actually showed Elon Musk screwing up. In that case, it being smug would be fine—nay, expected—here. Smug comments against Elon Musk for doing dumb stuff happen all the time, and nobody's telling the people making those comments to get bent. Here, OP really thought that this was another Elon fail, in which case nobody would be complaining about the tone of the post. So it's just a matter of OP being wrong and thus the tone not really being appropriate (since Elon isn't messing up here), not a bad attitude that needs to be shooed away from the community.

    Also, "extremely warped perception of reality"? Come on. It's just not knowing what losses are expected with satellites.


    He's taking government money to the tune of billions of dollars and wasting it on space. We are starving down here.


    Yeah, but you know what's really, really important for space travel?

    A cheap, efficient, and reliable source of portable food production.


    Your not wrong...your just an asshole.


    OP has submitted this link elsewhere. In the comments there, in response to someone asking about the site's legitimacy, I checked and then commented:

    OP is also the only person who's submitting the site here. Also, one of the links from the site that they submitted here is of "Interesting video from South America showing what looks like an alien abduction", to which OP added the comment "Kiind of interesting don't know if you guys can see the person being sucked into the cloud". So yeah, I suspect you are correct to be dubious about this source.


    Here's a reputable site that says SpaceX is no longer operating (or has otherwise lost) 378 of the 5000 satellites they've launched

    However that's an all time number, not just the last few months. The biggest single hit I'm aware of was a batch in 2022 that hit a solar storm that engineers thought they could weather.

    Ganondorf avatar

    Please take this hostile, hateful and juvenile attitude elsewhere. No one here is impressed or captivated by it nor do we want it in this community.


    You're kind of a Dick. Minus the kind of part


    Starship will put allot more in orbit quickly when it becomes operational.


    Objects in orbit experience very minor drag from what’s left of Earth’s atmosphere up there. Objects in low orbit like starlink satellites experience more drag. Unless it gets periodically boosted to a higher orbit it burns up in the atmosphere falling back to earth. This is all well understood and planned for. Satellites falling out of orbit is literally the norm.

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