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expected_crayon, in Musk Secretly Used Starlink to Foil Ukrainian Drone Attack on Russian Ships

Yet he’s taking DoD money for Starlink in Ukraine. At what point do his antics turn from the craziness of a billionaire to espionage and being deemed a Russian asset?

DarkenLM,

It would be hilarious for the US and/or the EU freeze his assets and punch his market influence to the ground if they accuse him of espionage.

theodewere,
theodewere avatar

it's more like a violation of War Powers Act or something, but yeah.. he's probably fucked..

Zombiepirate,
@Zombiepirate@lemmy.world avatar

Nationalizing the satellites that we paid for as a national security asset sure seems reasonable here, seeing as he likely broke a contract when he disabled them.

Imagine if Lockheed disabled an allied F16’s targeting computer during a mission; there would be hell to pay.

Buelldozer,
@Buelldozer@lemmy.today avatar

Yet he’s taking DoD money for Starlink in Ukraine.

He is now but at the time this supposedly happened he wasn’t.

thann,

Imagine if Lockheed martin “shut off” a jet because it was “getting too close to China”

What would be the response by the DOJ?

I would think the military would call that an act of treason and imprison or disappear any executives they thought were involved

theodewere,
theodewere avatar

no he's in some SERIOUS shit for this, and it was just a given he was gonna stick his little dick in there

ChickenLadyLovesLife,

Russian asset

How dare you? This is libelous! He’s a Saudi asset.

018118055,

The asset of all his sponsors

SpaceCowboy,
@SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca avatar

How dare you! He’s not monogamous! He’s an asset to all the fascists.

demlet,

Musk openly stated that he spoke directly with Putin after the Ukraine invasion had started. The super wealthy have no loyalties and will sell anyone and anything to the highest bidder. I’ve said it before, every penny after $1 billion needs to be taxed at 100%. Time to reign in the oligarchs.

Zombiepirate,
@Zombiepirate@lemmy.world avatar

But then who would create the underpaying jobs?!

Noodle07,

The state love making those, I wouldn’t worryy

Zombiepirate,
@Zombiepirate@lemmy.world avatar

Funny how that (along extreme wealth inequality and the destabilizing effects therein) could be improved by taxing billionaires.

whoisearth,
@whoisearth@lemmy.ca avatar

Agree in principle but the ultra wealthy would simply find new creative ways to hide their income.

RubiksIsocahedron,

Then we’ll find new way to punish them for doing so.

We cannot give these assholes an inch.

whoisearth,
@whoisearth@lemmy.ca avatar

Suggestions have tried and failed numerous times. An easy example is closing loopholes in taxes. Another is reforming estate taxes and capital gains taxes.

The problem is we have solutions already they’re not being done. Get off lemmy. Find representatives that fit your worldview and vote vote vote.

The alternative which I feel is more likely is continue the slide to fascism everywhere until it reaches a head then on comes the bloodshed.

We really need to do better teaching history in school because Jesus Christ online forums are full of people trying to reinvent the wheel and detached from the real world.

MisterScruffy,

No one asked you to be here. You chose to have a convo in an online forum

stembolts,

Do not let perfect get in the way of good.

Your reasoning here is irrational, and frequently repeated by many.

“They will find another way, why even try! Gosh!”

Okay, then we’ll block that way, and the next, and the next, and the next.

This is iterative development and is how the whole world works. I cannot grasp why so many people have this defeatist attitude toward resolving problems.

Krauerking,

Because people are lazy and want a singular solution every time and if they don’t get it most quit.

Laziness is honestly our largest inspirational force and it should be celebrated to let us do more interesting and fulfilling work but instead instant gratification has ruined us and made people lazy and shitty.

SpaceCowboy,
@SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca avatar

Yeah any system that involves humans will require maintenance and adjustments by humans. Because humans always find a way to fuck things up. There’s this weird compulsion to demand a system that can’t be fucked up by humans. But it’s not possible. Also it’s not necessary… if a system involves humans it means there’s humans around to do the necessary maintenance and adjustments to that system.

lolcatnip,

We really need to rethink how ownership itself works. All assets should be in a public registry, and no country’s laws should recognize any claim of ownership not backed by the registry. For the sake of privacy, I’d make an exception for up to like $1 million in personal assets owned by an individual, but never for business assets and never for ownership of a company or shares of a company.

cvozbosher,

Comments like these are not only unhelpful, they hurt progress moving forward. Do you also apply this logic to domestic abusers (wouldn’t wife beaters just beat places you can’t see or use sexual assault? ), or speeders (won’t people just speed when no law enforcement are around?), or regular joe tax evaders? I’m going to assume not. It would be absurd to just thow up our hands and say “you know what? We’re never going to stop pedophilia, so lets put no laws or regulations in place to punish pedophiles.”

I’m not going to claim that the original commenter’s solution is perfect or even very effective, but if we do nothing (and comments like yours are encouraging doing nothing) then the percieved problem will gwt worse. We reward the bad behavior and the bad behavior continues and gets worse. Something needs to be done whether it’s perfect or not. If you’ve ever created anything, especially something to be used or enjoyed by others, you know your first draft of it is shit. There are so many things that you couldn’t see until you put the work into it or release it to others and that’s okay. You learn, you revise, you plug the holes, you scrap and implement something new, you continue the process. The “rule of thumb” didn’t stop abuse, but it was a step. We still haven’t stopped abuse, but a lot of us keep plugging along, trying to stop it in our own ways (at individual, local, national, and international levels).

If you do care about this and want to contribute, but don’t like the presented solution, offer up your own or maybe point to resources of those advancing a cause from a different angle. If you’re here to shit on ideas because you don’t care or are trolling and want to actively hinder discussion, you can fuck right off. If you are trolling I’m okay with the offchance the overall message is recieved by someone else who needs it.

whoisearth,
@whoisearth@lemmy.ca avatar

I provide no solutions that haven’t already been tried and continue to be tried. Have you tried actions outside of lemmy like actually voting and promoting people who want to fix this? I love that a glib comment on lemmy has drawn a novel of a response when everything we say here means jack shit. I’m in the real world doing what I can to change it for the better.

MisterScruffy,

Then GET OFF LEMMY if nothing anyone says here matters then stop saying shit here

cvozbosher,

It’s fitting that someone who’s idea of a novel is 3 barely paragraphs would make an incredible amount of baseless assumption.

demlet,

Although you’re right, that sounds like an excuse to not do anything.

FlexibleToast,

Wealth taxes are fantastic in theory, but in practice have never worked. They’re too hard to implement. I agree with the spirit of what you’re saying, but I just don’t think a wealth tax is the answer.

demlet,

I mean, the truth is that we’ve never found a way to prevent some people from hoarding huge amounts of wealth. Probably not a great sign for the future of our species.

ebits21,
@ebits21@lemmy.ca avatar

Guillotine was pretty effective in France for a bit…

SpaceCowboy,
@SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca avatar

There’s more good people than bad people. The only way the bad people win is by convincing the good people to give up.

Yes shitty people will always be fucking up things for everyone else. But that doesn’t mean working to stop that is pointless. It’s more the opposite, it means we have to be continually working to stop the assholes from fucking things up for everyone.

FlexibleToast,

It’s a seriously hard problem. The IRS already can’t keep up. In order to implement a wealth tax they would not only have to do what they do now, but also assess the value of every estate of every wealthy person. They would need experts in all sorts of things to even attempt to pull that off. Experts in fashion, jewelry, cars, planes, boats, art, etc… as soon as you let even one of those things slip through, that’s what becomes the new wealth sync. Previously it’s been attempted by they excluded art because that’s notoriously hard to assess the value of. So the wealthy bought and traded a bunch of art to hide their wealth.

I got down voted for my previous comment, but it’s the truth. The concept is simple and if it worked I would be all on board. It’s the process for implementing it that is the hard part and has historically always caused a wealth tax to fail. It’s not a new concept, but there is a reason it isn’t used. I’m not saying we should do nothing, but that we should do something different. We could start with adding back some income tax brackets.

agent_flounder,
@agent_flounder@lemmy.one avatar

Maybe but we were doing better at it before Reagan came along.

But it isn’t a silver bullet. If we want to deal with the root of today’s problems we need to focus on a number of solutions around anti-trust, pro-labor, wealth tax, lobbying, campaign finance, etc.

FlexibleToast,

We agree on all of those points.

Sotuanduso,

Is that just liquid assets, or do you also want to tax them on stock they own in companies?

medgremlin,

You can definitely tax the hell out of dividends and sales. They are free to hold as many imaginary value tokens as they like, but the second they try to convert those tokens into actual currency, that should be heavily taxed. This goes for stock as well as cryptocurrency/NFTs.

anon_water,

They use loans currently to get cash against their assets.

medgremlin,

Where do they get the money to pay off those loans?

anon_water,

There are lots of ways to sell assets in specific scenarios to reduce tax burden or eliminate the tax rate to 0%. For example, a billionaire can take a loan and pay the interest only for years. Then in a year with losses on investments then can sell some assets to pay off the loan and pay no taxes.

medgremlin,

Except if the money they are using to pay the interest and the money received from the sale of those assets is taxed appropriately. Interest on business loans should not be deductible, nor should investment losses. The government is not responsible for their poor business decisions. Of course, there can be delineations for investment loss write-offs based on total gross income from all sources. A small business owner or an individual that holds an investment account with an AGI under $1million or so would reasonably still have access to such write-offs or deductions, but anything over that $1million per year is free game, losses or not.

anon_water,

I agree with your assessment.

demlet,

Honestly I don’t know. It’s really more the sentiment that I’m expressing. I’m aware that the wealthy are very good at playing shell games. No measures would catch everything.

capt_wolf,
@capt_wolf@lemmy.world avatar

I’ve said in the past that something was clearly wrong when he bought Twitter. His behavior was far too targeted. It’s all way too obvious.

Joker,

He’s my fun little conspiracy theory. If I could send the CIA to do my bidding, I would have punished him by manipulating him into buying twitter. You can’t nationalize SpaceX because it would signal the failure of privatized space exploration, but you can’t have that idiot out there as a walking national security disaster looking for a place to happen. The only option if he can’t be controlled is to get him out of the way until he retires or another private competitor can become the favorite. Twitter cost him a ton of money and his reputation, exposed him as a fool, and keeps him busy with unimportant bullshit. Everyone just shrugs it off as Elon being Elon. It’s really perfect.

Argongas, in "We will not stop at Kyiv, Warsaw, Paris. We will stop when we feel secure." - Russian propagandist Solovyov

Here's a wild thought, maybe the best security comes from being a good neighbor and cooperating with people around you.

khannie,
@khannie@lemmy.world avatar

Ireland here. Can confirm.

downpunxx,
downpunxx avatar

this is russia we're talking about here, they and germany are the bad neighbors of europe

Ooops,
Ooops avatar

"Give us each day our daily 'Germany bad!'"...

BeigeAgenda,
@BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca avatar

Germany is the wurst!

Skua,

Germany has been pretty damn secure since it started getting along with its neighbours

Nougat,

Never mind him, he's a little daft.

Thisfox,

Prevent misinformation. Like the garbage the germany-hater is spouting.

Diplomjodler,

Ich geb’s zu. Ich bin an allem schuld.

ChicoSuave,

Russians can’t trust. They grow up in a culture where corruption is common and lies more prevalent than reality. The only way a Russian can ever trust a thing is to do it themselves. The only other option is to remove anyone else who can do it better and then claim the advance as a Russian victory.

Russia can’t be trusted by anyone anymore. Russians will be out for themselves, as they always are.

downpunxx, in Elon Musk Agrees to Sell a Portion of Starlink Assets to the U.S. Department of Defense
downpunxx avatar

Somebody had some REAL uncomfortable conversations over the past 7 days, richest man in the world got threatened so hard knocked his dick in the dirt, ahahahahahahaha

Heisme, (edited ) in Musk Secretly Used Starlink to Foil Ukrainian Drone Attack on Russian Ships
@Heisme@lemmy.world avatar

The spin at the end is just fluffy bullshit. Starlink, from the get go, has had bandwidth reserved for military operations albeit US military operation but military operations nonetheless. The real question here is how and why did he know that operation was happening and what other operations has he known about/thwarted/or knowingly or unknowingly passed along information about.

sexy_peach,

Even if it didn’t, you have to think about military applications of your tech…

jmcs,

Maybe the same FSB agents that were driving his paranoia. Assuming they knew about the attack, they could get a bigger win by stopping it and removing Starlink from the equation at the same time, than by stopping the attack with military means.

barsoap,

Definitely. He used terms such as “Lenin’s mistake” when talking about Ukraine which is rather specific to Russian nationalist ideology. You don’t stumble across such a thing by accident.

CorruptBuddha,

“There was an emergency request from government authorities to activate Starlink all the way to Sevastopol,” Musk posted on X, the platform formally known as Twitter that he owns. Sevastopol is a port city in Crimea. “The obvious intent being to sink most of the Russian fleet at anchor. If I had agreed to their request, then SpaceX would be explicitly complicit in a major act of war and conflict escalation.”

downpunxx, in Musk Secretly Used Starlink to Foil Ukrainian Drone Attack on Russian Ships
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52fighters, in The enforcer: Putin Orders Prigozhin's Arrest, Breaks Deal
52fighters avatar

I've seen no evidence an arrest was ordered. Where's the source on this?

DaCrazyJamez,

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66021601

not an arrest, but an ongoing investigation

HuddaBudda,
HuddaBudda avatar

Kind of defeats the psyops theory. He clearly is angry with Pygozhin. And if it was, now is the perfect time they could have used the "Russian plan to counter insurgents" excuse to saved face.

The fact he is calling it a "Failed insurrection" means it was an insurrection.

The fact he is calling out traitors, means he felt betrayed.

I know that Putin gave this speech to display power, but all it did was confirm that Russia is cracking from the inside out.

demvoter,
demvoter avatar

Doesn’t look like it was ordered.

Putin made no mention of Wagner chief Yevgeny Prigozhin in his short remarks but said the organizers of the revolt had betrayed the Russian people.

wilberfan,
wilberfan avatar

Yeah, none of this is on the NY Times website, for example. Not that that's the final word--but I'd be more inclined to believe them than whoever The Enforcer is...

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/06/26/world/russia-ukraine-news

Jaysyn,
Jaysyn avatar
BackOnMyBS, in According to Lukashenko's plan, the leadership of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation will resign, and Prigozhin will focus on projects in Africa.
@BackOnMyBS@lemmy.world avatar

This is wild! Please correct me if I am wrong.

Putin was a dictator that ruled through a strongman public persona. However, the leader of the mercenary group, demanding a change of the military's top leadership and calling the premise of the entire war false, takes control of the main Russian city from which the offense on Ukraine is supported, is shown on video having the support of the city in public, and literally threatens to take Moscow with only ~5k troops. Russia's military forces against Ukraine have been effectively cut off from logistical support. This happened in ~2 days. Meanwhile, while Putin flees in a plane, called the mercenary leader a traitor and said that he would be prosecuted for treason. The mercenary leader then backs away in the final moment, and flees to another country that brokered the negotiations. Putin drops charges and now the military is changing leadership.

They just showed how politically weak and scared Putin really is, not even having control of his own immediate subordinates. They outed that the reason for the war was a lie. They just lost the leader of the mercenary group. They just lost the city from which they support their offensive on Ukraine. They just showed how vulnerable Moscow is, and by a ridiculously small unit of 5k troops. They almost had a civil war.

My best guess is that a coup was successful, and Putin is no longer in charge. We just don't know who really is in charge. They are keeping him there for a soft transfer of power, but a coup happened. The new Minister of Defense will terminate the offense on Ukraine, and the powers that control Russia will place a new face as president.

Anyone else have a better guess?

UnmeltedByRain,
@UnmeltedByRain@lemmy.world avatar

I'm not sure Russia gets to terminate the war at this point. Even stopping offensive actions wouldn't meet Ukraine's requirements. Russia needs to be expelled from all of Ukraine, including Crimea.

CanadaPlus,

They could terminate the war (by leaving) but not just the offence.

UnmeltedByRain,
@UnmeltedByRain@lemmy.world avatar

That would be awesome, but I suspect Putin would sacrifice the lives of his entire population before giving up Crimea.

CanadaPlus,

Why? Between the two Russia is the bigger part.

DarkwinDuck,

For Putin? Two Reason: 1. He would look super weak and unsuccessful if he lost Crimea. 2. It's in Russias mind very very important to keep Crimea and additionally a land Bridge to Crimea to "control the black sea" with their navy...

Both are Bs.

CanadaPlus,

I was more pointing out it's an exaggeration to say he'd sacrifice the whole rest of Russia.

At this point Ukraine is not his biggest problem, though. He has internal challengers.

AlternativeEmphasis,

I'd think you'd struggle to get even his immediate, hopefully liberal, successors to give it up. There are even more liberal Russians that support Crimea's annexation on account of it historically and ethnically being seen as Russian, obviously the ethnic cleansing practiced during Stalin's time helped ensure this. The Crimeans themselves are hard to say because nearly any poll that has actually been conducted on them has been biased one way or the other. I'd still guesstimate that a good majority of them will possibly want to stay with Russia since war support seems decently high there. I don't think there is an easy path for Crimea to come back to Ukraine even if the Russians agree to relinquish it.

CanadaPlus, (edited )

Yes, when Ukraine takes it (which is I think where we're headed) they're going to have a hell of a time integrating it. It was added to Ukraine after Stalin died; when people say it's not historically a part of Ukraine they have a point.

exohuman,
exohuman avatar

Putin is still in charge. That’s not going to change. The mercenary leader got what he wanted by sacking the Minister of Defense and busting open the false justification for the war. He never mentioned Putin as a bad guy in all of this. He only said the Ministry of Defense tricked Putin into the war and then didn’t fund it. Putin was weakened but is still in charge.

CanadaPlus,

Could he possibly believe that, though?

DevCat,
@DevCat@lemmy.world avatar

By placing the blame for the war on the military leadership, could this give Putin an out to stop the war and absolve himself of all blame?

Tyson712,

"In charge" as in what he says goes but what he says it seems can be easily manipulated so does he really have power or is he just the talking head?

Anomander,
Anomander avatar

As weird as it is to say, especially because there's lives at stake and this shit ain't game of thrones, Prigozhin acted a helluva lot smarter than I had expected. I had him pegged as a convenient dumb thug, but he has played his cards overwhelming correctly here.

Putin is still visibly running shit while shit is circling the drain, and is still the big boss that is leading the charge for war.

Prigozhin has spent a lot of this war sending meat into the grinder, to be sure, but it's also looking like he's gone out of his way to send the conscripts into the heat and has kept back his more seasoned and loyalist troops. Those troops loyalty has likely been reinforced by Prigozhin protecting them from being included in meat-wave attacks, while at the same time they've also seen exactly how Russia itself treats its own soldiers. He's been given a perfect environment to forge an ultra-loyalist core within his mercenary company.

He's waited until things are absolutely, massively, dire for Russia and when he knows that Russian supply and troop movements won't be able to respond to brief insurrection. It's almost unquestioned that he could not take Moscow, much less seize power directly. He doesn't have the manpower, he doesn't have the support among the elites, he doesn't have the supplies. He cannot coup. But he managed to rattle huge portions of establishment Russia, show that establishment Russia is not as safe or secure as the establishment says, and has aligned himself with veterans, ultra-loyalists, and anti-war camps all in one move. Then, by taking the overnight deal and agreeing to withdraw, he not only "gets away with it" but even looks like he was the generous one, granting reprieve to the capital.

To the bulk of the public, there's a shuffling of chairs at the top of the military - while more pragmatically speaking Prigozhin has arranged for removal of two of his direct rivals, and has negotiated replacing them with allies. It's been widely rumoured and seems to be accepted that Wagner was given some of the worst assignments and was routinely under-supplied - not just because that's The Russian Way, but because Shiogu and Gerasimov saw Prigozhin as a direct threat and Wagner losing troops or looking weak directly erodes his power in Russia. He's come out of this with a large core of loyal, seasoned, troops still reasonably equipped, and has put on a performance of power and strength that it was impossible for Russia to miss. He got to go through the spectacle of beating the Russian military on home turf in one their own strongholds, and had both their own troops and local citizenry appearing to side with Wagner's threat of coup - but all without having to commit entirely and risk the probable failure.

The balance of power behind the curtain has shifted significantly, for all that the man in front of the curtain - Putin - remains firmly in charge. And Prigozhin even managed to tiptoe through the entire episode without challenging Putin directly and while giving Putin a way out of the PR disaster he's facing - that just happens to require aligning himself even more closely with Prigozhin's camp.

Like, not going to go all out like this is 5D chess shit or something, but it's an impressively cunning series of moves to have set up his forces for this moment, to know when to strike, and when to accept terms and take an exit; all of which I'd have thought would be above the head of a guy who mostly seemed like more of a brutish fixer than someone who might be adept at playing political games.

I think at this point Putin is looking for a way out that isn't a bullet. The real problem for dictators isn't gaining, or holding, power - it's how to retire safely.

At the moment, there's impasse. Putin is still in charge, Prigozhin is still deferential, and this matter has resolved in a way where neither man has to maintain conflict or lose face. Prigozhin has his forces out of the crucible that will be the coming months of counteroffensive, he's safe to consolidate and build power in Russia, while Putin is still holding the bag on the failed war and Putin's main option as far as passing the buck will involve blaming the high-up military and intelligence figures - who are currently responsible for keeping Putin safe. He'd have to turn to other allies to protect him, and Prigozhin is posturing up to become the only viable option.

exohuman,
exohuman avatar

Now that makes sense. Thank you for that explanation.

ickplant,
@ickplant@lemmy.world avatar

Putin was weakened but is still in charge.

I think this is very accurate. He was absolutely weakened by this "rebellion," but he is still the top guy. It will be interesting to see how this affects the war going forward.

FaceDeer,
FaceDeer avatar

The only reason he's still in charge is that, weak as he may be, everyone else is weaker. Putin has spent the last two decades trying to ensure that nobody is stronger than he is, not so much by building himself up but rather by tearing everyone else down.

That's been working for him in the short term, but I think this may be building up a really big problem for Russia in the longer term. When Putin finally does fall - as he surely will - there will be no succession plan and there will be nobody strong enough to step into his role.

ickplant,
@ickplant@lemmy.world avatar

Totally agree. Russia's screwed in the long run regardless, he made sure of that. I'm a Russian immigrant, have been living in the US since 2001. I haven't seen much future for my country since the 2012 election (it's the last one I bothered to vote in, it became clear they were a total farce, and Vlady boy was making himself tsar). And then they attacked Ukraine. I lost all hope. I'm not wasting any time trying to make Russia better. I'd rather invest time and money into helping people hurt by them.

dorokian,

There was an interesting theory posed on Reddit (I sneak back there to lurk) that was a bit condescending "I am very smart" but I thought the central premise was actually interesting: this was all an elaborate way to desert since the rumor was they might get absorbed into the regular army and/or not get paid (or maybe they wanted to be assigned to an easier job back in Africa but got threatened so this was their work strike). They had to do it as a group because, individually, they'd have no negotiation power. The feint on Moscow was a show of force to get paid off. So, there was a van packed full of money that was somehow lost and found again in the middle of all this.

That's why the terms are that they get the treason charge dropped and the ones who didn't join just become part of the regular army.

The ones who supposedly "go back" to their staging areas may conveniently melt away/scatter with cash in hand. We'll see if they make it, or get picked up one by one as they try to make an escape. It will be interesting to know what the head count ends up at whatever base or staging area they were supposed to go back to.

Hole in the theory is that they can't expect to just take the pardon and rejoin society without consequences or end up just going back to the front line again rendering the whole thing pointless (unless they just wanted the money, being mercenaries).

If the desertion theory has any credence, that's still good for Ukraine, as Russia loses a chunk of fighting force either way and if news of this deal gets out to the regular army, others may think about using this method of desertion ("Hey, it worked for those guys...") Either way, a squad or platoon can't desert without getting mopped up but a battalion or division deserting will have a lot of leverage.

Heresy_generator, in Musk Secretly Used Starlink to Foil Ukrainian Drone Attack on Russian Ships
Heresy_generator avatar

“How am I in this war?” Musk asks Isaacson. “Starlink was not meant to be involved in wars. It was so people can watch Netflix and chill and get online for school and do good peaceful things, not drone strikes.”

Musk, transparent as ever, makes sure to tell his biographer that it's about peace, man, and has nothing to do with his love of authoritarian regimes.

Sinnz,

Nothing more peaceful than supporting an authoritarian war criminal 🥰

dirthawker0,

Didn’t his company supply a bunch of Starlinks because of the war? Was he expecting Ukranians needed to watch more Netflix and do more school stuff while getting bombed out by the Ruzzians? What a crock

SpaceCowboy,
@SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca avatar

Yeah, that was when he expected Russia to win easily. Probably figured he’d get a little bit of good PR, then Russia wins and then he could say “I tried to help, but I guess it just didn’t work out for Ukraine.” Just didn’t go the way he expected I guess.

That and I don’t think he was quite so far down the fascist rabbit hole back then.

TrismegistusMx,
@TrismegistusMx@lemmy.world avatar

“How am I in this war?”

Bitch, you put yourself there!

Uniquitous,

Maybe if he had any actual knowledge instead of just buying shit and slapping his name on it, he would know that the Internet was originally DARPAnet and was designed for expressly military purposes prior to being co-opted by capitalists.

el_doso,

And a shit eating little shoe-horn of the phrase “Netflix and chill”.

AllNewTypeFace,
@AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space avatar

He’s just making sure that his personal brand is associated with sexytimes, as per his naming of the Tesla models.

reverendsteveii,

Once the killers have done all the killing they want, peace becomes paramount. Once they’ve stolen everything they can steal, then theft becomes a crime. A man with a gun kicks in your door, starts eating the food from your fridge and fucks your wife. He’s doing good peaceful things and if you resist you’re a warmonger.

ongofongo, in Oleg Tsokov, Major General of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, was killed as a result of an APU strike near Berdyansk

Good. Fuck him for invading a foreign country.

teamevil, in On Ukraine, Republicans Can’t Win. Joe Biden Can Send Excess Weapons Whether Or Not The House Of Representatives Likes It.

I’d go so far as saying divert all weapons from Israel too, Hamas is terrible but Genocide is never the answer, plus Israel is really being gross currently, it’s unfortunate. But Ukraine absolutely should be receiving those weapons instead. Not supporting it in any way what so ever but if Israel is going to genocide then they need to figure that shit out on their own (I know it’s the govt not the people) and deal with the consequences of their actions (diplomatic consequences, I’m in no way suggesting more violence).

Slava Ukraine

CADmonkey,

Hamas is a reaction to Israel’s actions of past decades.

koolkiwi, in "We will not stop at Kyiv, Warsaw, Paris. We will stop when we feel secure." - Russian propagandist Solovyov
@koolkiwi@lemmy.world avatar

I mean of course they won’t stop at Kyiv. They can’t reach it.

downpunxx,
downpunxx avatar

still incredible to me that kyiv still stands in ukrainian hands, i was absolutely sure it was going to fall in three days. amazing.

ThrowawayPermanente,

Same

XYZinferno,

Oh that’s one hell of a one-liner, I like it!

ivanafterall, in “War takes the best of us... but we are not ready to give our freedom to this f***ing terrorist Putin. That's it. That's why we are fighting.” Zelenskyy said in an interview with NBC News.
ivanafterall avatar

War is one thing, but there's no call for profanity.

Fallenwout,

If you can’t recognize this massive sarcastic comparison between war and profanity, you’re not ready for the internet.

Deceptichum,
Deceptichum avatar

Oh fuck off with that nonsense.

PoopMonster,

I’m no expert in the field, but I think he was joking…

snooggums,
snooggums avatar

Probably, but then Poe's Law.

TinyPizza,
TinyPizza avatar

That man answers to none. Least of all Poe!

Grant_M,
@Grant_M@lemmy.ca avatar

There’s nothing to joke about here.

TinyPizza,
TinyPizza avatar

"Boo, get off the stage Grant"

xor,

Is this the next evolution of r/shutupwesley

obinice,
@obinice@lemmy.world avatar

How dare you use profanity on the internet, don’t you know there are children here? For SHAME

TinyPizza,
TinyPizza avatar

Watching you humor is like seeing the hands of the maestro at work. It may be time to start adding the slash S, but I can't fully express how f***ing much I respect that you don't.

ivanafterall,
ivanafterall avatar

Aw, you. I might actually be blushing.

1847953620,

Respect for the game. Now send nudes.

TinyPizza, (edited )
TinyPizza avatar

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  • Illuminostro,

    Spergs gonna sperg.

    Deceptichum,
    Deceptichum avatar

    You think trolls are the people on the receiving end and not the losers making these “jokes”?

    Fucking hell the Internets gone to shit.

    TinyPizza, (edited )
    TinyPizza avatar

    Eh, you're right. I got rinsed on this one. Lesson learned for the next time.

    TheTetrapod,

    The whole /s thing makes me sick. Just understand context, people.

    sadreality,

    Can't expect people to have this level of reading comprehension ...

    cynar,

    /a started to be used because the context can be so ambiguous. It isn’t needed when no-one would honestly say what was said. Unfortunately, the bar for that is so low now, it’s practically an underground pipe.

    It also removes the “it was a joke, don’t get so uptight” argument, when they get called out for being a racist prick etc.

    Grant_M,
    @Grant_M@lemmy.ca avatar

    Ukrainian children are being murdered, kidnapped and tortured everyday by deranged russian terrorists.

    zebbedi,

    After everything Ukrainian people have been through you want to complain about profanity. Fuck off.

    cabron_offsets,

    Fuck off.

    MYCOOLNEJM,
    @MYCOOLNEJM@sh.itjust.works avatar

    NOOO GUYS, PLEASE DON’T SWEAR AT MR PUTIN!!! IT’S NOT NICE!!

    LetterboxPancake,

    You know, fuck off

    agent_flounder,
    @agent_flounder@lemmy.world avatar

    Fuck yeah.

    PugJesus, in Ukraine’s victory is vital for the security of the whole world - Richard Kemp
    PugJesus avatar

    Ukrainian blood is paying for the freedom of many millions more than those just in Ukraine. I wish our leaders saw that more clearly than they see Russia's empty threats and Kremlin-backed opposition. A lot of "We should have sent this a year ago, and now more brave people are dead because we stalled" feelings.

    The best time, as the saying goes, was yesterday. The second-best time is today. Slava Ukraini!

    Jaysyn, in Putin ignoring generals, making war decisions solo, analysts say
    Jaysyn avatar

    Considering he was a paper-pusher flunky with negligible tactical military experience, this is great news for Ukraine.

    MataVatnik, in Elon Musk Agrees to Sell a Portion of Starlink Assets to the U.S. Department of Defense
    @MataVatnik@lemmy.world avatar

    Musk sure has a big fucking mouth. There most have been some sobering back door conversations for this to happen so quickly.

    50gp,

    i'd love to hear what they threatened him with as this doesnt read like he had any choice

    MataVatnik,
    @MataVatnik@lemmy.world avatar

    Same

    flipht,

    Probably all of his SpaceX and Tesla contracts.

    Brkdncr,

    “Here is every illegal thing you’ve done since you were conceived, including the ones in countries that the US has an extradition agreement with. Also, here is how much we will pay you to be our bitch. Would you like to continue this discussion?”

    intelati,

    Would you like to continue this discussion?

    Press X to continue.

    Actually, let’s not

    KingThrillgore,
    @KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml avatar

    “Wanna take a ride in a self driving Tesla off a cliff?”

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