Besides Lemmy which I love a lot, I’m also enjoying a microblog platform called Catodon, which is much less basic than Mastodon and has a very nice interface. Pixelfed is also fantastic if you like photography rather than just being Instagram influencer nonsense. Where else are you hanging out? What have you liked and not...
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Pretty kewl, IMO. Thanks for sharing Elley :) it looks really nice and I created an account for myself. Seamless federation with the others too - very nice :)
There’s very little point telling me it is possible without telling me how. I have tried and failed with kBin and I don’t even know where to start with Lemmy.
I would like to follow Cory Doctorow’s Mastodon account on Lemmy. Could you explain how?
Just decided to check kbin (for no reason other than the timeline's a little slow today) and this was the very first post.
Idk, maybe because OS's are complicated pieces of software that take years to develop!? These kinds of stupid questions are part of why I'm not on kbin very much anymore. Not that the software is bad, but the content is increasingly worse quality that it used to be.
Luis Rubiales could face a prison sentence of two and a half years if convicted of kissing Jenni Hermoso on the lips against her will, court documents have shown. The former Spanish football federation chief has been charged with one count of sexual assault and one of coercion in the aftermath of the kiss, offences carrying jail...
It looks like we had different visibility of the fediverse, I am in kbin. It seemed like you asked me. Murvel's comment just arrived. It still looks like you ask me.
It can be a little tricky to understand exactly how the issue presents itself, because different parts move at different speeds. I’ll try to explain a little more. I hope you were planning on reading a novel today because there’s one coming 😆
Every time someone take an action (comment, create post, vote on post or comment) a little piece of information is created and added to a queue, this is called an “activity”.
This activity is sent to the instance of the community it happened under. For example, if you vote on a post in a community memes@lemmy.world then lemmy.nz sends this information to lemmy.world, then the lemmy.world server sends that vote to every instance that has at least one person subscribed to that community.
Recently, Kbin.social has had issues where it has sent tens of thousands of activities to lemmy.world in a very short amount of time (specifically to the games@lemmy.world community). This is presumed to be a bug as it seems to be the same thing sent lots and lots. Now Lemmy.world tries to send these tens of thousands of activities to every instance that has at least one person subscribed to !games.
As a result of this happening, a bug in lemmy was found. Lemmy.world sends the activity to lemmy.nz (or any other instance), then once that is complete it sends the next one. In theory it should just fire them all off in parallel, but it doesn’t because if the order is wrong then it might end up in an inconsistent state (say, if someone edited a post twice, you don’t want to get the second edit first then the first edit second).
Because they are sent one at a time, there is a limit to how many it can send. This limit is determined by the time it takes for lemmy.world to send something to lemmy.nz and then receive a response that it has been received. The round trip takes about 250ms, or 1/4 of a second. This limits us to receiving only about 4 activities per second. We can’t improve on this speed, because the latency is largely because we are hosted in NZ and they are hosted in Finland on the other side of the world. Aussie.zone also has issues, but can handle slightly more than us as they are slightly closer.
Now lemmy.world is creating activities at around 4 per second (posts, comments, votes, and a few others put together), or just under, during week days. That means we are barely taking on the activities as fast as they are being created. Now suddenly Kbin sends a couple of hundred thousand activities within an hour and suddenly lemmy.world is sitting there trying to send them, but can only send 4 per second, so it takes a long time to get through them. Then add on that lemmy.world is generating new content at almost 4 per second and now there’s really no chance to catch up on that backlog. Luckily the weekend comes, and that backlog comes down. Over three weekends we are down to only about 40,000 actions behind.
Then a couple of days ago lemmy.world got another spike of activities from Kbin and here we go again!
Now the “hours behind” thing. Someone posts to a lemmy.world community, and they get added to the back of the queue at say 4pm. It slowly makes it’s way to the front of the queue as other activities are sent, and when it reaches the front it gets sent to Lemmy.nz and it’s now 10pm. It took 4 hours for that post to be sent to lemmy.nz after it was posted to lemmy.world, so that’s a 6 hour lag, 6 hours behind.
To make things more confusing, federation is not just one way, but when you post/comment/vote to a lemmy.world community the lemmy.nz server needs to send that activity to lemmy.world. Our queue going to lemmy.world is fine, sitting empty because kbin never sent us 100k activities, so it gets sent to lemmy.world straight away. So you have a one way lag - if someone posts to lemmy.world it takes 6 hours before it gets sent to us, but if we post to lemmy.world it is sent straight away. That makes conversations a bit one sided!
Now I’m going to add in a further point of confusion! Yesterday, another instance admin offered to turn on something they have been setting up to try to band-aid the problem. This is a server hosted in Europe (for quick federation) that gets the lemmy.world posts and comments, and sends a request to lemmy.nz for that content. When lemmy.world sends lemmy.nz details of a post, lemmy.nz has to do some things like sending a request back to lemmy.world to get some info about the post, generate a thumbnail, etc. Sometimes this can take seconds to do, so this slows down the process (is the theory). By asking lemmy.nz to grab posts before lemmy.world tries to send them, the theory is that any lag caused by lemmy.nz fetching this info will be mitigated. We aren’t able to grab votes, but the hope is that it will be slightly faster getting through the backlog. Because lemmy.nz and aussie.zone are similar in their queue trends, were using them as a control to see if it helps (so far no obvious big change but we are slowly making ground on them so perhaps that’s because of this).
At the very least, with this pre-fetching of posts and comments, if someone replies to you on a lemmy.world community it should now come through almost immediately, though it will take some time to see the votes which are still delayed.
And just to clarify, it’s all based around communities. If a lemmy.world user votes on a post in a community on beehaw.org, it should come through straight away, as beehaw.org is responsible for sending the vote. If a beehaw.org user votes on something on a community on lemmy.world, it will be delayed, because lemmy.world is responsible for sending the activity.
I’m really hoping the easter weekend will lead to a drop in lemmy.world activity that will let us catch up, though we are still only another kbin bug from being behind again, at least until a lemmy software update is done to resolve the issue.
Anyway, hope that made things clear 😑 (though I suspect it made you more confused 😆)
For sure! The great thing with federation is you can like the idea but not the implementation, and decide to do it better but get to interact with all the users still.
So we end up with a bunch of similar software that can interact: lemmy, kbin, mbin, sublinks, piefed. No single point of failure, so even if lemmy development was completely abandoned we could just switch software to something else and continue.
Oh okay - I didn’t know about the interaction with different software. Had heard of Kbin before (haven’t yet heard of any of the others), and just assumed it was a completely different type of thing like Mastodon.
That’s pretty cool. How does the interaction with (for example Kbin) work? Can we see their communities, and interact with their posts and vice-versa?
Interesting you mention Mastodon, that uses the same protocol as Lemmy. So people on Mastodon can actually participate in Lemmy discussions (though things look and work a little different, you can often spot them because their replies to comments start with @user because that’s how it works on Mastodon). Currently Lemmy users can’t interact with Mastodon, but this isn’t because it’s not possible, just not implemented in Lemmy (yet).
Kbin has both micro-blog style (like Mastodon/Twitter) and thread style (like Lemmy/Reddit), and largely Kbin keeps them separate so they are more natural than a Mastodon user interacting with Lemmy.
But yes, we can see the Kbin communities (they call them Magazines), and they can interact with us pretty seamlessly (you know, when bugs in Kbin aren’t causing lemmy to DDOS itself). Here’s the Kbin.social meta community: lemmy.nz/c/kbinMeta@kbin.social
I’ve only briefly tried Kbin. I’m not really into microblogging so it doesn’t interest me too much. Many Kbin users are opposed to lemmy because the lemmy devs can be dicks and have some controversial political views, but largely I think the community is similar to Lemmy as it’s also largely reddit refugees.
Grumbles about generative AI’s shortcomings are coalescing into a “trough of disillusionment” after a year and a half of hype about ChatGPT and other bots....
Heh, I suppose I can grant papal indulgence as a scam. Were I feeling edgy I could one up that and label the church as a whole as a scam. But since the usual accusation leveled against cryptocurrency is "ponzi scheme" I looked that up and noted that Madoff's the current record holder for one of those at a mere $65 billion.
Yeah, the kbin.social week of downtime was the final nudge I needed to set up an alternative account here. But honestly I was getting very frustrated with kbin.social's flakeiness already before then. I appreciate Ernest's work, but something like kbin can't be a single-person show in the long run. I hope he does well but now I don't have to reload the page every time I want to vote or comment.
Heh love your wording there. I actually started that train of thought with various "relics" like the vial of Christ's blood, statues weeping tears etc some of which were eventually debunked iirc.
Ponzi schemes are quite possibly as old as granaries (or the pyramids), but I think a better contender for scope is something like the Mississipi Bubble which was absolute madness...
Kbin really is a work in progress. I'm sticking with it, but I have backup accounts for the times when it's too buggy.
Ponieważ Kbin raz działa, raz nie, a także potrzebuję nieco wygodniejszego narzędzia do wrzucania artykułów, które czytam, żeby mieć archiwum, z którego mogę zasięgnąć w każdej chwili, postanowiłem utworzyć subkonto: @Aubreader.
Zauważyłem, że ostatnio zacząłem sypać tutaj tego typu linkami, a planowałem nie robić tego na głównym koncie, co ostatecznie zmotywowało mnie do działania.
I went to the neurologist this morning and after all of his tests, he said he couldn’t find anything neurological that could be wrong with me. He thought it might be behavioral, but that wouldn’t explain the morning heaving. He sent all of my records back to the gastro doctor and we’ll see what they say when they get back...
With a mother like that, no wonder you have such neurological problems. Also, there's an article on Kbin today about how morning heaving can come from heavy cannabis usage. So that could be part of the problem.
I have severe gastric pain throughout my GI tract right now that comes and goes in waves, and it's un-diagnosable, but it feels like I swallowed razor blades while also sitting on an unsheathed knife blade - it really does make me crazy with pain.
So I know how frustrating it is when there's nothing they can do or diagnose to help. I don't use cannabis for pain because I can't stand the smell or taste of it and nothing works for pain relief when you're dealing with such horrible symptoms.
Anyway = / as a fellow sufferer, hang in there and tell your mom to go worry about her own life problems. You don't need that additional stress!!!!
Народ, смотрите, там один форумный движок - NodeBB - работает над поддержкой ActivityPub.
Это само по себе уже очень круто (может быть, наконец-то в Феди будут группы уже), но в процессе работы, совершенно случайно, появилась вот эта страничка:
Форум позволяет отсортировать треды по популярности, сообразуясь со своей внутренней логикой, в в которой участвует кол-во постов, лайков и просмотров. Треды из внешнего Федиверса создаются как родные, и прогоняются через ту же логику. Получается список популярных постов в обозримом с точки зрения nodebb Федиверсе.
From news, to shitposting, to memes, to more shitposting, Lemmy feels vibrant, active, lighthearted, fun and even powerful. Mastodon feels like a fucking funeral.
I'm looking forward optimistically toward a future where either:
) mastopub isn't mentioned with respect to networking at all
) people stop conflating masto with #Fediverse - They are not the same.
technically, #Lemmy might be a percentage of some sort in terms of traffic by MAUs with respect to mastotron - but not really; because it's a percentage of some sort in terms of traffic by MAUs with respect to Fediverse, and more specifically, ActivityPub traffic - NOT masto! Unless of course, one wishes to compare a single platform against another, but then it would usually be framed differently, instead of "as if" masto was the network itself, which it is not - it's just an aging Fediverse platform slowly, yet incrementally being marginalized as a goto buzzword, due to it's predatory nature with respect to other, better, older, and more feature complete Fediverse platforms, Including those operating over diaspora*, Zot6, ActivityPub, OStatus, Etc.
Oh, why is it, that Lemmy feels more vibrant, active, lighthearted, and even more powerful than mastotron?
Seriously though @rimu , Don't you think it's about time for #PyFedi to have it's own #Fediverse account that we can subscribe to via RSS or folllow? People really like it. People are really impressed. People ARE NOT saying things like this about it:
> I don’t like that the easy install instructions are longer than this blog post. I don’t like that the build failed after ten minutes due to a missing dependency because they couldn’t check for it before starting. I don’t like that restarting the build literally restarted from crate zero and rebuilt everything. I don’t like that the build failed fifteen minutes later trying to compile lemmy-schema because it ran out of memory, so I had to add swap. I don’t like that the build failed again another twenty minutes later trying to link lemmy_server because I didn’t add enough swap. Come on, man.
So yah, we were discussing PyFedi in the Fediverse-City Matrix room, and clumping together notions such as how your following assertion here has found a relevance that other 'similar' so-called link aggregators have eschew:
> PieFed - a federated forum, similar to Lemmy but written in Python
And indeed, even at merely the first glance, it looks a heckuvalot (sic) more friendly than just link aggregation, the lines begin to blur even further when you take a look at the fast and friendly NodeBB, not too dissimilar, but not as lightweight as PyFedi - Wait! Are we supposed be calling it something else?#PieFed, perhaps? Are you undergoing a rebranding and just haven't renamed the git repo over at Codeberg yet?
Do please let us know :) Piefed has a lot of other FUN connotations, as both a play on words and also just falling off the tongue a little easier.
Yes back to the question of whether you feel it's the right time for your PyFedi project to launch its own Fediverse account - preferably, if I might be so bold as to suggest, NOT on a masto instance. After all, and like you said:
> Mastodon feels like a fucking funeral.
Indeed it does. I could recommend a couple of Good Mitra instances, put in a word for you on one of the dev's reference flagship intances, or Friendica is awesome too - very awesome, and unlike mastopub, it doesn't, "feel like a fucking funeral", lolz (as you sooo eloquently stated). It also interoperates seamlessly with and between Diaspora, Bluesky, Hubzilla/Zot, and the entire ActivityPub portions of the Fediverse. The Pleroma and Misskey family of forks have some nice offerings as well. I think a lot of people would find it refreshing if a new and refreshing federated forum/aggregator project with an enjoyable, clean and friendly feel had it's Fediverse presence somewhere other than a cemetery ;)
I predict a rapid rise in the deployment of #PyFedi instances. just look at the number of #Mbin deployments as/of late, and #Kbin before that - both are still enjoying accelerating adoption rates.
Yup! There's a lot of excitement and people are talking - thought you might like to know ;) And thank you for creating PieFed!
Defederating with Threads overview (fedipact.veganism.social)
social.growyourown.services/…/112174670147908804
What other parts of the fediverse are you using?
Besides Lemmy which I love a lot, I’m also enjoying a microblog platform called Catodon, which is much less basic than Mastodon and has a very nice interface. Pixelfed is also fantastic if you like photography rather than just being Instagram influencer nonsense. Where else are you hanging out? What have you liked and not...
Report – Unsafe: Meta Fails to Moderate Extreme Anti-trans Hate Across Facebook, Instagram, and Threads | GLAAD - might be a reason to defederate from Threads (glaad.org)
Luis Rubiales faces 30 month jail sentence for Jenni Hermoso kiss (www.theguardian.com)
Luis Rubiales could face a prison sentence of two and a half years if convicted of kissing Jenni Hermoso on the lips against her will, court documents have shown. The former Spanish football federation chief has been charged with one count of sexual assault and one of coercion in the aftermath of the kiss, offences carrying jail...
Aotearoa Daily Kōrero 28/3/2024
Welcome to today’s daily kōrero!...
Chatbot letdown: Hype hits rocky reality (www.axios.com)
Grumbles about generative AI’s shortcomings are coalescing into a “trough of disillusionment” after a year and a half of hype about ChatGPT and other bots....
Climate change is altering Earth’s rotation enough to mess with our clocks (wapo.st)
Since you asked for updates- I had a big setback.
I went to the neurologist this morning and after all of his tests, he said he couldn’t find anything neurological that could be wrong with me. He thought it might be behavioral, but that wouldn’t explain the morning heaving. He sent all of my records back to the gastro doctor and we’ll see what they say when they get back...
Why is Lemmy, with a tiny fraction of Mastodon's MAU, more fun than Mastodon?
From news, to shitposting, to memes, to more shitposting, Lemmy feels vibrant, active, lighthearted, fun and even powerful. Mastodon feels like a fucking funeral.
What lesser known free and open source software do you use daily to improve your life?
For me it is the note taking/PKMS tool SilverBullet.