American Motorcyclist Association Urges DOT to Act on Automated Driver System Regulations Following Tragic Collision

PICKERINGTON, Ohio (April 26, 2024) — In the wake of the most recent tragedy involving a fatal collision between a Tesla vehicle in autopilot mode and a motorcyclist in Washington state, the American Motorcyclist Association (AMA) once again urges the Department of Transportation (DOT) to strengthen Automated Driving System (ADS) regulations.

“Many autonomous vehicles on the road today have not been proven to detect all other road users in all situations before they have been allowed to be used on the road,” Dingman added. “Motorcyclists should not be used as guinea pigs for autonomous vehicle manufacturers. The continued allowance of untested autonomous vehicles on our nation’s roadways is unacceptable. The time for action is now!”

To add to that, you should see how these “accident avoidance systems” plow through dummies during tests. You’d have to have been paid off to allow these vehicles on public roads!

Landsharkgun,

Please just do automated trams.

Reddfugee42, (edited )

I don’t give a fuck if crash avoidance systems plow through test dummies sometimes. The times it doesn’t matter.

Autopilot is an entirely different topic, but crash avoidance is worth it.

Showroom7561,

I don’t give a fuck if crash avoidance systems plow through test dummies sometimes. The times it doesn’t matter.

Would you be OK with human drivers plowing into pedestrians without any reason whatsoever, just because other people don’t the other 99% of the time?

These advanced systems should never fail, especially not in test scenarios that couldn’t be easier for them to pass. Some of these vehicles literally fail to even slow down while hitting the test dummies!

Add them into a random adventure that is the real world, and I wouldn’t trust them unless they don’t kill people like it was a lottery draw.

Reddfugee42,

Crash avoidance systems only engage when the driver has already abdicated control. Whatever’s in front of the car is already doomed without crash avoidance at that point.

And no ridiculous wall of text changes any of those facts.

Showroom7561,

Here’s a video report from last week, showing how crash avoidance works, and that auto break simply fails to work in some vehicles. And yes, the feature does work in other vehicles, as they should in such easy scenarios.

The problem is, you have cars marketed and sold as having these features that simply do not work. And it’s clear that drivers who own vehicles with all these magical features get lulled into believing they don’t have to pay attention 100% of the time and at a moment’s notice.

Nobody on public roads should be OK with this.

Reddfugee42,

That’s great but the computer stepping in with the human failed hurts nothing and can only improve the situation

xmunk,

Calling their driver assistance program autopilot would have resulted in Tesla being sued into the ground for false advertising long ago if we lived in a fair system.

I think the progress we’ve made on driverless vehicles is pretty amazing and I really want to live in a world where they work - but we’re not there yet and some idiots are under the impression we are.

scrubbles,
@scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech avatar

Yeah, to any engineer it’s no secret why the system has been in “beta” for almost a decade. It’s because there is no way they can probe it works 100% of the time

lemmyreader,

I think the progress we’ve made on driverless vehicles is pretty amazing and I really want to live in a world where they work - but we’re not there yet and some idiots are under the impression we are.

Who is the “we” you mentioned three times ?

xmunk,

Society at large.

Drusas,

Such as the driver of the latest victim. He was looking at his phone when he/his car hit and killed someone.

ProgrammingSocks,

We already have fully driverless cars. They’re called trains

CaptSneeze,

Trains have drivers. They’re called locomotive engineers.

ProgrammingSocks, (edited )

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vv6VvFVcHqI

Lots of places have driverless trains. Vancouver comes to mind. www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtCyiSleO1g

Reddfugee42,

Then what do we call the people who design the locomotives?

LovesTha,
@LovesTha@floss.social avatar

@xmunk @Showroom7561 the impression we are there already is only marginally more dangerous than thinking it is only 5~10 years off. Full self driving is still very hard.

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