Alternative sources for the No Pronouns mod for Starfield

In light of Nexus Mods and Mod DB banning the No Pronouns mod for Starfield, I figured I would look around for alternative sources and collect them in one place for others' convenience. This seems like a good place to put them.

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_jonatan_,

Truly a pathetic mod for pathetic people

firebreathingbunny,

Why do you care? How does it affect you? Do you comment on every mod that doesn't appeal to you and that you don't intend to use?

Poopfeast420,
Poopfeast420 avatar

If that's your argument, why do you care about the choice of pronouns? How does it affect you?

firebreathingbunny,

It's not an argument. It's a series of questions that you failed to answer.

blunderworld,

Same arguments people use when pronouns are important to them. Guess were not so different after all!

firebreathingbunny,

It's not the same argument because I have answers for the personal pronoun pushers but you people have no answers for me.

SeeJayEmm,
@SeeJayEmm@lemmy.procrastinati.org avatar

This is the first I’m hearing of it and I’m so confused. Is this just at character creation? Why was it removed?

Is this mod for people who are triggered because the field isn’t free form and the only choices are he/she/they? Or people who are triggered because the sheer existence of a they option is an anathema to their existence?

Even the argument in the comments is so vague it sheds no light.

stopthatgirl7,
stopthatgirl7 avatar

Is this mod for people who are triggered because the field isn’t free form and the only choices are he/she/they? Or people who are triggered because the sheer existence of a they option is an anathema to their existence?

People triggered because of a they option in character creation. Basically, for folks like this dude.

SeeJayEmm,
@SeeJayEmm@lemmy.procrastinati.org avatar

Thanks for clarifying.

Awkwardparticle,

There is a prominent movement where people don't want to see LGBTQA+ people anywhere. They don't want queer people to exist in their world. It makes them very mad to be exposed to the existence of LGBTQA+ people.
I personally think that they are just some queer people in denial, thinking they are going to catch the gay. Those gay thoughts aren't going to go away for these people no matter how they cater their reality.

stopthatgirl7,
stopthatgirl7 avatar

Yuck.

GrayBackgroundMusic,

The right calls people snowflakes and then loses their mind when someone offers an option for pronouns. An option. You can still pick cis pronouns. Gtf outta here.

firebreathingbunny,

You are currently losing your mind because I offered an option to take out the trash.

Pxtl,
@Pxtl@lemmy.ca avatar

Cope.

firebreathingbunny,

No, thanks. That's your game.

mephiska,

Triggered bigot mod.

squid,

Lol the mod makes everyone non binary 🤣🤣 the right are getting woke

firebreathingbunny,

There's no such thing as a non-binary person any more than there is such a thing as personal pronouns. The game can't make a character into something that literally doesn't exist.

squid,

Well the mod you want will not align genetic gender to they’re perceived gender. Also were playing a game that introduces magic… I’m sure you can suspend your believe for pronounce.

firebreathingbunny,

The mod does what it's supposed to by removing the nonsensical concept of personal pronouns that doesn't objectively exist in the real world. A slightly more involved mod would rename body types A and B to male and female and set the appropriate pronouns accordingly. I'll post that, too, when it comes out.

squid,

No such thing as objectivity, we live in the abstract and we give meaning. Pronounced are more of a respectful approach, if your friend said “don’t call me “(insert what ever)” I find it is disrespectful”, you’d stop, same for disabilities, where I’m from we had lots of derogatory names for disabled people and most people will not use those names as its disrespectful.

You are witnessing the natural progression of language, kick and scream all you want but well be there with you or without you

firebreathingbunny,

Biology is objective. The rules of English grammar are objective. You are wrong per both.

squid,

Yes they are objective but every year a new dictionary comes out with new words and meanings, this is humanity turning the abstract into meaning. I’d like to see you get by with the vocabulary of a 16th century Brit.

firebreathingbunny,

English grammar doesn't change without the consent of the majority. You lose.

squid,

You don’t seem to be in the majority buddy

firebreathingbunny,

I am. The billions of English speakers in the third world overwhelmingly reject western degeneracy and cultural imperialism. Nobody's buying what you're selling.

Eggyhead,

I mean, the absurdity of your argument that a sci-fi space rpg can’t meet your standards of “reality” because of a mere ignorable, pre-existing and commonly used pronoun aside, I’m going to have to step in on this particularly low-hanging morsel…

The rules of English grammar are objective.

If English grammatical rules were objective, we’d all still be talking the way people did way before Shakespeare. Actually, Shakespeare’s writings wouldn’t exist today if English grammar wasn’t at all subjective because he flat out made up a ton of words and phrases we still use today. Also, you’ve heard of poetry, right?

“It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.” (Macbeth, Act 5, Scene 5)

firebreathingbunny,

Which grammar rule changed since Shakespeare's time? The reason students can still read and understand Shakespeare's works is that the grammar remains the same. Congratulations, you owned yourself.

stopthatgirl7,
stopthatgirl7 avatar

Ironically, one of the biggest changes from Shakespeare’s time and now concerned pronouns. We stopped using “thou/thee” as the informal 2nd person and began to only use what had been the formal 2nd person, “you,” and stopped using the verb conjugations for them.

Meanwhile, the 3rd person singular “they” has been in use since Chaucer’s time.

firebreathingbunny,

You don't even know the difference between vocabulary and grammar. You're dismissed.

stopthatgirl7, (edited )
stopthatgirl7 avatar

My brother in Christ; I’M AN ENGLISH TEACHER.

If you don’t understand how “we lost an entire pronoun and the verb inflection that went with it” is in fact grammar, I don’t even know what to tell you.

firebreathingbunny,

I'M AN ENGLISH TEACHER.

Apparently not a very good one, because:

  • You don't know the difference between vocabulary and grammar.
  • You don't know that appeal to authority is a logical fallacy.
  • You don't know what being dismissed means.

Bye.

stopthatgirl7, (edited )
stopthatgirl7 avatar

And you, sir, are what my momma likes to call “loud and wrong.”

Eggyhead,

Just off the top of my head: In some US dialects, rather than a single word changing between negative and positive form (e.g. “I didn’t take any pictures”), instead an entire sentence is shifted into a negative mode (“I didn’t take no pictures”). Traditional grammar rules would dictate that as a double negative, implying the speaker did in fact take pictures, but only an idiot would actually choose interpret it that way.

Next, we have the impact of the internet. “lol” might occasionally be spoken aloud in many circumstances as a substitute for “that’s funny” or something similar. Colloquial written English is all over the place. We now not only use “lol”, but “fwiw,” “afaik,” and many others.

Then there’s emoji. We’re basically using glyphs to express ideas, not unlike how kanji works, and traditional rules of grammar don’t always apply when you’re expressing an idea through pictures, though it’s interesting when it does. Animated GIFs and memes often butcher grammar rules without sacrificing any understanding of intent.

A simple google search turns up many more examples than I could possibly be aware of.

Now it’s your turn. Feel free to explain why you think using “they” as a singular pronoun applies as a grammar rule violation in the 21st century. If you can’t use more than a typical snarky one or two-liner, you should just consider this argument lost and rethink your life.

firebreathingbunny,

Dialects aren't the actual language. They're just wilful ignorance.

And, again, vocabulary isn't grammar.

Eggyhead,

Dialects aren't the actual language. They're just wilful ignorance.

Say everyone bakes a potato. If your neighbor baked theirs differently than you, would that mean they’re ignorant?

And, again, vocabulary isn't grammar.

Good for you? No one said it was.

firebreathingbunny,

False analogy. You're hopeless. Go back to school.

Eggyhead,

You probably don’t even know what an actual school looks like.

firebreathingbunny,

Right. I learned about false analogies in the streets.

You're dismissed.

Eggyhead,

I'll be waiting until you have an actual argument to make. Until then, maybe reconsider where you get your "information".

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