mp3,
@mp3@lemmy.ml avatar

Enough drama, this isn’t the place to argue. Locking the thread.

CrushKillDestroySwag,

Most Innovative Gameplay Award: Starfield

data-laughing still funny

MeetInPotatoes,

They also nominated Warhammer: 40k Darktide for the “Better with Friends” award when it was an unfinished flop that sits at 66% (Mixed) for overall reviews.

Maybe we could dare to hope for a “mostly positive” in that slot at minimum.

aaaaaaadjsf,
@aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net avatar

What the actual fuck lmao. How does Skyrim in space win the most innovative gameplay award?

Gamers have lost their minds I swear

GarbageShoot,

It was a deliberate joke, I think

Patches,

It’s not even Skyrim in Space.

The allure of Skyrim is that your given a quest 5 miles away and on the way you literally the whole game because you keep getting distracted with infinite subplots, and sidequests.

None of that happens in Starfield. There is nothing between the end goal and the quest origin besides tens of miles of fuckin nothing. That’s why it’s “Mostly Negative” right now.

Skyrim in space is what people wanted. It was the bar to meet.

GreenWater,

This game was very popular in Taiwan but I do not think it deserves the reward. High sales because of a popular IP should not determine whether a game wins an award. Was the Steam Deck version better than the other versions? My friends who played it complained of glitches and boring gameplay.

fruitycoder,

I had fun for a while, but yeah, I got bored.

frazorth,

Yes, the Hogwarts game on the Deck was glitchy as fuck despite being “Steam Deck certified”.

One of the problems was it kept opening files for content without closing the old files that are no longer used. Operating systems limit the number of files a single process can have open to prevent runaway processes and causing systems to completely hang. Linux is just a little more strict than Windows by default so the fix was to update a setting. It had obviously not been tested further than “well it starts”.

But I think that’s the joke.

LoamImprovement,

I knew this year’s awards were a joke the second I saw Starfield nominated for (and subsequently winning) ‘most innovative gameplay.’

Elderos,

It is crazy how Steam users seem to interact with the platform exclusively in bad faith. The reviews are filled with memes, joke reviews and drama. You will lose IQ points just by opening the forums. And of course, people troll the awards. Not that I would expect a mainstream gaming platform to attract geniuses, but Steam community is definitely bottom of the barrel.

SkyNTP,

What platforms have you been frequenting (or avoiding) where steam is the bottom of the barrel?

TotallynotJessica,
@TotallynotJessica@lemmy.world avatar

Honestly, steam reviews are far more useful than most review systems. Ign or metacritic are nearly useless in comparison.

shani66,

When a single journo phones in an award it’s called fucking up, when it’s an entire community it’s a meme.

Annoyed_Crabby,

I feels like this sort of article pops up every single year after Steam Award. I remember the first year steam award started it’s basically the same “issue”, where game that people think don’t deserve the award are given one.

firecat,

At this point the steam awards is just advertising. We don’t have proof of voting bots because Valve exclusively keeps things in secret.

Kuori,
@Kuori@hexbear.net avatar

but have you considered that it’s bad actually to laud the transphobic blood libel game with Ubisoft characteristics?

particularly in a year so packed with actual decent games deserving of recognition?

snowe,

It’s literally the opposite of transphobic. It’s like they tried as hard as they could to negate everything bad JKR has ever said…

Kuori,
@Kuori@hexbear.net avatar

noticing you’re neglecting to defend the blood libel plotline or the fact that it’s another bland, dogshit open world game

but also if i wanted a cissie’s opinions on trans issues i’d surely have asked instead of telling

TC_209,
snowe,

You can’t even string a coherent sentence together so I have absolutely no clue what you’re saying.

Kuori,
@Kuori@hexbear.net avatar

sorry you’re incapable of reading, i’ll make sure to break it down more simply for the next dumbass i deal with

TC_209,
snowe,

Maybe if you want people to listen to what you’re saying, you should start with having a point, and then putting that point into words that other people can understand. As it is you just look like an ignorant troll. So I’m just assuming you are.

Kuori,
@Kuori@hexbear.net avatar

christ you’re irritating. sorry you have apparently paid exactly zero attention to the discourse surrounding this garbage but i’m not gonna spoon-feed you like an infant. if you don’t understand a word then you should either ask or google instead of choosing to be an obnoxious, oblivious dickhead

TC_209,
kristina,

fr, they have head up ass syndrome. apparently its too hard to listen to trans people on what is and isnt transphobic

TC_209,
snowe,

Since they clearly have no interest in actually having a discourse maybe you should explain what they’re saying, because it’s absolutely not clear at all.

Cromalin,
@Cromalin@hexbear.net avatar

ok fine, i’ll try and be as clear as possible

sometimes things are bad and are bad at their core (both because they financially support someone who is doing so much to make the world more transphobic than it already is and also all the antisemitism, racism, classism, misogyny, transphobia, and just plain old bad writing decisions at the core of the story) and we just need to let go and stop participating in the fandom because it inevitably leads to people saying shit like “oh i can just buy this harry potter game even though i know jkr sucks and this gives money to her that she will use to fund bigotry, it belongs to the the fans now!” when it doesn’t, as long as jkr is alive it’s her space and spending time in it will eventually lead to money making its way over to her!!!

and the game itself is bad because it’s about the goblins, who have long been noted to be fairly antisemitic caricatures in harry potter, being swarthy hooked nosed creatures who run the banks, have a long history of pogroms being run on them, have different moral values around ownership (very similar to accusations of judeo bolshevism) and have a literal star of david as their symbol in the films. and in this game they kidnap children for ritual purposes which is just straight up blood libel

if you still aren’t sure what’s antisemitic here and you somehow aren’t a bad faith poster, look up judeo bolshevism, look up blood libel, look up images of antisemitic caricatures and compare them to descriptions of goblins in harry potter. there are so many antisemitic tropes in there it’s impossible to imagine no one was aware

TC_209,
snowe,

sometimes things are bad and are bad at their core (both because they financially support someone who is doing so much to make the world more transphobic than it already is and also all the antisemitism, racism, classism, misogyny, transphobia, and just plain old bad writing decisions at the core of the story) and we just need to let go and stop participating in the fandom because it inevitably leads to people saying shit like “oh i can just buy this harry potter game even though i know jkr sucks and this gives money to her that she will use to fund bigotry, it belongs to the the fans now!” when it doesn’t, as long as jkr is alive it’s her space and spending time in it will eventually lead to money making its way over to her!!!

I’m sorry, but this is such an insane view (with so many inaccuracies in it I’m not going to bother debunking them all) that it’s pointless to argue here. Maybe spend your energy on something else, you’re giving her more mindspace than she is doing actual harm to the community. And she’s probably making very very little off of HL as a whole. Warner Brothers owns the majority of the copyrights around the HL universe, unless it’s theater or books, JK Rowling’s website even says so.

and the game itself is bad because it’s about the goblins, who have long been noted to be fairly antisemitic caricatures in harry potter, being swarthy hooked nosed creatures who run the banks, have a long history of pogroms being run on them, have different moral values around ownership (very similar to accusations of judeo bolshevism) and have a literal star of david as their symbol in the films. and in this game they kidnap children for ritual purposes which is just straight up blood libel

This has been debunked time and time again. If you don’t believe me, maybe you’ll believe the actual https://twitter.com/antisemitism/status/1478739540307230720. She’s so against antisemitism that the fucking Campaign Against Antisemitism says “So it is with JK Rowling, who has proven herself over recent years to be a tireless defender of the Jewish community in its fight against antisemitism, for which we are immensely grateful”.

It’s you that are seeing antisemetism. It’s not there. It’s a folk tale that has evolved over actual centuries into tales that go beyond the original tropes. Maybe instead of getting into arguments around this stuff you should look into the history of it and realize that, just because something looks bad, doesn’t mean it is.

if you still aren’t sure what’s antisemitic here and you somehow aren’t a bad faith poster, look up judeo bolshevism, look up blood libel, look up images of antisemitic caricatures and compare them to descriptions of goblins in harry potter. there are so many antisemitic tropes in there it’s impossible to imagine no one was aware

maybe you should actually research the history of things rather than just looking at pictures and comparing. It’s quite racist (and antisemetic) to think that just because things look similar that they were intended to be the same thing. They’re not.

GarbageShoot,

“It’s called the Campaign Against Antisemitism, surely it’s an authority on antisemitism. I also go to the National Endowment for Democracy for my democracy news and the Foundation for Economic Education for etc.”

TC_209,
SeventyTwoTrillion, (edited )
@SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net avatar

It’s quite racist (and antisemetic) to think that just because things look similar that they were intended to be the same thing. They’re not.

smuglord “Oh, you think that this fantasy race that has many of the anti-semitic tropes of Jewish people might in fact be a reference to Jewish people? Well, you’re the one who associates those features with Jewish people, not me. Just saying.”

This is where the moronic “maybe the curtains are just blue” reddit-tier analysis of literature gets you - completely unable to see any kind of allegory or metaphor, especially when bigots say that, no, that person in that book totally isn’t a racist caricature, it’s just a person with those traits!

If I wrote a book about a fantasy world where I used lots of sexist stereotypes about women - that they’re less intelligent; that they’re inherently subservient to men; that they “belong in the kitchen”; that they should be “barefoot and pregnant”; etc, and without ever even making a critical judgement of those traits or showed that the men in that society are bad for maintaining this status quo, then I would rightfully be called a raging sexist by people. They would probably believe I was one of those tradcath, alt-right MGTOW incel people. If I turned around and said “Uh, it says a lot about liberals that they think these traits are stereotypically true of women! Maybe they’re the real sexists, not conservatives?” then you would, hopefully (though I’m not so sure given your lack of sensitivity towards Jewish people) call me a total fucking dipshit.

TC_209,
Kuori,
@Kuori@hexbear.net avatar

If I wrote a book about a fantasy world where I used lots of sexist stereotypes about women

this dude would buy 10 copies a week and hand them out to the women in his life

TC_209,
LesbianLiberty,

This has been debunked time and time again. If you don’t believe me, maybe you’ll believe the actual CAMPAIGN AGAINST ANTISEMITISM. She’s so against antisemitism that the fucking Campaign Against Antisemitism says “So it is with JK Rowling, who has proven herself over recent years to be a tireless defender of the Jewish community in its fight against antisemitism, for which we are immensely grateful”.

Yeah, I don’t think an organization that carries water for the Zionist regime in Israel actually cares about the safety of Jews at all. Israel has been proven to stoke antisemitism abroad and make the situation for Jews outside of Israel worse in order to entice them to emmigrate to Israel. Any organization that doesn’t acknowledge and challenge the racist framing of Jews with the Israeli state is itself incredibly antisemitic, and demonstrates that they don’t really care about the welfare of Jews. I think it’s safe to say that a far right organization would be willing to hold water for other far right figures, and that real Jews like my partner are correct when they say that Joanne’s depicted stereotypes of goblins as essentially Jewish bankers is incredibly hurtful and encourages real life harm against Jews.

One of the most horrifying details in the game too, of which the director for it for most of it’s development was a far right media personality, is that the “goblins” use an “annoying horn” for a status effect that’s directly modeled off of the Shofar. The Jewish Shofar is a very holy and important cultural artifact for Jews which is directly paralleled in the game as an “annoying horn”.

snowe,

Yeah, I don’t think an organization that carries water for the Zionist regime in Israel actually cares about the safety of Jews at all. Israel has been proven to stoke antisemitism abroad and make the situation for Jews outside of Israel worse in order to entice them to emmigrate to Israel. Any organization that doesn’t acknowledge and challenge the racist framing of Jews with the Israeli state is itself incredibly antisemitic, and demonstrates that they don’t really care about the welfare of Jews. I think it’s safe to say that a far right organization would be willing to hold water for other far right figures, and that real Jews like my partner are correct when they say that Joanne’s depicted stereotypes of goblins as essentially Jewish bankers is incredibly hurtful and encourages real life harm against Jews.

🤦 you seriously want me to just go find plenty of other sources agreeing that you’re arguing about folklore at this point instead of racist stereotypes? If people like you weren’t bringing it up, literally no one would even notice. You sure aren’t getting up in arms about the exact same depiction of goblins in literally every other piece of fantasy out there.

One of the most horrifying details in the game too, of which the director for it for most of it’s development was a far right media personality, is that the “goblins” use an “annoying horn” for a status effect that’s directly modeled off of the Shofar. The Jewish Shofar is a very holy and important cultural artifact for Jews which is directly paralleled in the game as an “annoying horn”.

yeah, so you clearly haven’t played the game, and the fact that you think that there’s an “annoying horn” in the game that has a status effect (what in the fucking world are you even talking about?) says pretty clearly that your opinion does not matter at all here. You’re just spreading inaccuracies in the hopes of trashing something. Spreading lies doesn’t help your case, it just makes you look like an angry person out for revenge, no matter what the truth is. JK is a terrible person, you don’t need to make up shit in order to make that case, there’s plenty of actual things she’s said you can use.

Nakoichi,
@Nakoichi@hexbear.net avatar

gee you really like citing fuckin fascists to defend an antisemite and a transphobe.

This is why we call zionism antisemitism. They will carry water for actual antisemites because for their little genocidal ethnostate to continue to exist they need antisemitism to scare people into moving to their colonizer project.

TC_209,
Othello,
TC_209,
TC_209,
space_comrade,

Maybe spend your energy on something else, you’re giving her more mindspace than she is doing actual harm to the community.

Are you trans? If not then maybe shut the fuck up and listen when other trans people tell you what’s harming them and what’s not? Why do you think you even get a say in the matter?

And she’s probably making very very little off of HL as a whole.

She’s literally a billionaire what the fuck are you talking about.

TC_209,
kristina, (edited )

You still haven’t addressed the fact that the game sends money to a rabid TERF of a billionaire who directly lobbies to harm trans people to the British government.

TC_209,
snowe,

I literally did address that.

And she’s probably making very very little off of HL as a whole. Warner Brothers owns the majority of the copyrights around the HL universe, unless it’s theater or books, JK Rowling’s website even says so.

kristina, (edited )

You really dont see how its an issue that a billionaire is making ‘a little’ off of a franchise that then is funneled into TERF shit? Or that the brand’s image is associated with TERF shit because of her relentless campaigning, an attempt at making TERF shit more mainstream? A thing that is working in Britain as rights are curtailed?

And I doubt she sold the rights to WB for ‘a little’. In fact the most recent sale of the rights was for something like 3.8 billion USD

TC_209,
Cromalin,
@Cromalin@hexbear.net avatar

i don’t know why i’m responding to this, but whatever. doing this all in one post, but i’m responding to both of yours, which is why this is so long. it’s also long because i’m actually responding to the things you say, which isn’t something you seem to know how to do

first things first, that substack you linked. many things wrong there. immediately, you’re invoking ‘i know a jewish person who says it’s fine.’ ok, on my end i know jewish people who think it is extremely not fine. in fact they were the ones who explained to me why the goblins in harry potter are problematic. second, having read the article it just blatantly lies in its base premise.

Goblins, the fantasy creature that has existed in various incarnations for centuries, may have initially been based on antisemitic stereotypes - short, big noses, greedy money-hoarders. Therefore, fantasy that depicts goblins (even if in a complex or sympathetic way that subverts some of the tropes) is automatically inherently antisemitic because goblins are representing Jews, and doing it in the most harmful stereotypical way possible. (note that I have yet to personally see this standard applied to a fantasy series other than HP)

this just isn’t a claim anyone is making. the claims about harry potter are much more specific about that. there are antisemitic tropes in the water surrounding goblins, but jkr ramped that up dramatically. this author just breezes past the fact that the goblins are bankers which is a whole lot more specific than a generic greed! people don’t say that shit about tolkien (as much, because people do rightly point out problematic elements in tolkien’s goblins quite a bit if you don’t ignore that to try and lie about how people are being mean to a bigoted billionaire) because tolkien goblins don’t run the banks!!! this shit is so blatant it’s unsurprising anyone trying to carry water for rowling has to just ignore it

she also claims that there’s no actual child kidnapping in the game, and that if there was it would be fine because other fantasy stories contain bits where people kidnap children to use their blood. i’m pretty sure the first point is untrue, because i can find many references to the goblins wanting to use the main character (who is 15 years old, so firmly a child)'s blood for a ritual, but i haven’t played the game and am not going to so i suppose it’s possible everyone referencing this just made it up in some kind of mass hysteria for some reason. but crucially that second bit is such bullshit it doesn’t matter. the problem is taking all these things together! when you have someone stealing a child’s blood for a magic ritual that is not problematic or blood libel on its own, but it becomes so once you have it done by members of the greedy hook nosed race that run the banks and don’t think it’s possible to own property and prefer to eat raw bloody meat and stab the heroes in the back and have stars of david on the floors of their banks. that shit is antisemitic, a lot more so than the culture broadly already is.

similarly it isn’t a pogrom when violence against goblins happens in other fantasy media because those goblins don’t run the banks and aren’t nearly as coded!!! what are you even fucking talking about!!! anyways as you can see i read her whole piece and it was all wrong and poorly argued. next!


sorry this is so long it had to be split up anyways, despite my efforts. you’re just too wrong to fit into the character limit!

TC_209,
Cromalin,
@Cromalin@hexbear.net avatar

I’m sorry, but this is such an insane view (with so many inaccuracies in it I’m not going to bother debunking them all) that it’s pointless to argue here. Maybe spend your energy on something else, you’re giving her more mindspace than she is doing actual harm to the community. And she’s probably making very very little off of HL as a whole. Warner Brothers owns the majority of the copyrights around the HL universe, unless it’s theater or books, JK Rowling’s website even says so.

i’m going to respond to this with the respect you didn’t show me, and address all your stupid points. jk rowling repeatedly peddles transphobic bigotry, writing a book starring a transphobic caricature as a villain and another about the creator of a popular franchise murdered partially for being viewed as transphobic. she repeatedly insists that trans women are a danger to cis women, which is not a belief backed up by any facts. she shares the writings of many different transphobes, lies about the persecution they suffer (in particular claiming maya forstater was fired unjustly just for having beliefs, when in fact it was that her contract wasn’t renewed because she kept harassing specific people associated with the organization (including potential customers!) and refused to stop when asked) and continually associates herself with radical transphobes who openly call for the culling of transgender people, platforming them and openly encouraging people to support them monetarily. some examples of her transphobia can be found here, and details about the people she associates with can be found here. i know it’s bad form to link a youtube video but the alternative is telling you to listen to 200 episodes of the shrieking shack podcast that mostly just make fun of how offensive the house elf plotline is and things of that nature as they gradually document all jkr’s bullshit in real time as it happens. i need to spell this out for you because despite claiming to be aware of her transphobia you also claim she doesn’t do much “actual harm to the community.” she is doing actual harm to the community. there is no debate about this. if you argue otherwise you are wrong

jk rowling very openly states she believes that her fans all believe the same transphobic things as her, and that support for her work is the same as support for her beliefs. so every person that buys and plays hogwarts legacy is, regardless of how much money she makes off of them, granting her transphobia weight. it is admittedly a little ridiculous to harp on someone who is a billionaire already making money from a game she’s only getting relatively small amounts of royalties from. because of this if you go back and reread my original post you might notice that isn’t my main complaint there. when a new harry potter thing enters the spotlight and people buy it they’re reminded harry potter exists and are going to be more likely to go back and buy a new copy of the books or the movies or merch that she’ll get more royalty money from. when a new gundam tv show aired you could see more gundam merch being sold off store shelves. when a new star wars movie comes out people remember the old ones they liked, this is not difficult to understand. in addition they will continue to be more active in the fandom, keeping harry potter in the public eye and increasing the amount of people she views as backing her up and being on her side

so jkr is clearly giving the transgender community a lot of focus, treats support of her work and associated products as support of her views on the community, and is making money off of the game even if much of it may be indirectly. i’d say i’m giving her an appropriate amount of mindspace given the sheer amount of vitriol she has for those like me


This has been debunked time and time again. If you don’t believe me, maybe you’ll believe the actual CAMPAIGN AGAINST ANTISEMITISM. She’s so against antisemitism that the fucking Campaign Against Antisemitism says “So it is with JK Rowling, who has proven herself over recent years to be a tireless defender of the Jewish community in its fight against antisemitism, for which we are immensely grateful”.

It’s you that are seeing antisemetism. It’s not there. It’s a folk tale that has evolved over actual centuries into tales that go beyond the original tropes. Maybe instead of getting into arguments around this stuff you should look into the history of it and realize that, just because something looks bad, doesn’t mean it is.

i already addressed the second bit above when talking about the substack, but the first bit is very funny. what are they talking about? how has she proven herself to be a tireless defender of the jewish community? as far as i can tell it’s just that she tweeted about jeremy corbyn and the associated stuff there, and perhaps you won’t be surprised that i don’t think that’s enough. i didn’t know speaking out against politicians you didn’t like gave you carte blanche to be as bigoted as you wanted! the campaign against antisemitism is a volunteer organization that i do not in fact believe unthinkingly. they are clearly in many cases motivated more by a sense of zionism than any actual commitment to antisemitism which has been called out by other jewish organizations, and (though i cannot say for certain) it seems likely that’s part of why they stood by rowling despite the blatant bigotry at play in her work

and to repeat myself: goblins are not inherently antisemitic! the problem comes when you say they run the banks and add a couple other tropes in there for good measure!!!

maybe you should actually research the history of things rather than just looking at pictures and comparing. It’s quite racist (and antisemetic) to think that just because things look similar that they were intended to be the same thing. They’re not.

my claim has never been that jk rowling has always been a secret neonazi who was subliminally planting messages in her books back in the 90s to make children antisemitic. my claim is just that she put a lot of very blatant antisemitism in her books, and that it was made worse in the game. maybe everyone involved was in fact trying to sneak antisemitic caricatures into public discourse! maybe it was all an accident and everyone was just too stupid to recognize it or realize it needed to be changed! i can’t say, all i can truly talk about are the results, and the end product is what i would call undeniably antisemitic if it wasn’t for dipshits like you who deny it. again, this is not me complaining about just one thing, this is about a whole lot of things coming together in a perfect storm.

anyways i wrote like 1500 words about how you’re wrong, and didn’t even get into all the other ways the books are fucked because that wasn’t relevant to why you were wrong. i could have talked a lot about slavery, i hope you appreciate my restraint. i hope you’ll have the decency to shut up and go away, or even better be convinced of the error of your ways, but i doubt you will

JohnBrownNote,
GarbageShoot,

You’re really cool and I appreciate you

TC_209,
Kuori,
@Kuori@hexbear.net avatar

i appreciate the backup and as always, i am endlessly impressed by the amount of effort you bring to the table

we may need to start handing out medals

TC_209,
TC_209,
ShimmeringKoi,
@ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net avatar

Fuck yeah love the Shrieking Shack

PointAndClique,
@PointAndClique@hexbear.net avatar

First I’ve heard of it and am subbing now.

TC_209,
TC_209,
Cromalin,
@Cromalin@hexbear.net avatar

rat-salute

very good podcast! i’m a little behind their catching fire read which is still a delight

TC_209,
snowe,

i don’t know why i’m responding to this, but whatever. doing this all in one post, but i’m responding to both of yours, which is why this is so long. it’s also long because i’m actually responding to the things you say, which isn’t something you seem to know how to do

I’ve LITERALLY BEEN TRYING THIS WHOLE TIME TO RESPOND TO THE THINGS YOU PEOPLE ARE SAYING. Are you FUCKING KIDDING ME!?! I literally asked over and over again for one of you to actually explain the problems and yet you wouldn’t. So I just went ahead and explained why it wasn’t a problem. Fucking DARVO here. Acting like you’re the ones in the right here.

first things first, that substack you linked. many things wrong there. immediately, you’re invoking ‘i know a jewish person who says it’s fine.’ ok, on my end i know jewish people who think it is extremely not fine. in fact they were the ones who explained to me why the goblins in harry potter are problematic. second, having read the article it just blatantly lies in its base premise.

I am no invoking any “i know a jewish person”. I linked one article of thousands pointing out that this isn’t a problem. I have no clue who the author of that article is and ‘knowing’ a jewish person doesn’t matter in the slightest, that’s just anecdotes, not evidence.

this just isn’t a claim anyone is making.

https://programming.dev/comment/6134949

sadly it still shovels money into her pockets and is about the cabal of hooked nose bankers stealing children to perform rituals

this author just breezes past the fact that the goblins are bankers which is a whole lot more specific than a generic greed! people don’t say that shit about tolkien (as much, because people do rightly point out problematic elements in tolkien’s goblins quite a bit if you don’t ignore that to try and lie about how people are being mean to a bigoted billionaire) because tolkien goblins don’t run the banks!!! this shit is so blatant it’s unsurprising anyone trying to carry water for rowling has to just ignore it

what in the fucking world are you talking about. At this point it’s just tiring. You have no actual case so you pretend like being a banker is somehow worse than being a greedy hoarder of gold. Are you serious? In any case, you’re completely ignoring other cases where goblins are depicted as bankers, like World of Warcraft, or Discworld, or one of thousands of other examples that you can find.

she also claims that there’s no actual child kidnapping in the game, and that if there was it would be fine because other fantasy stories contain bits where people kidnap children to use their blood. i’m pretty sure the first point is untrue, because i can find many references to the goblins wanting to use the main character (who is 15 years old, so firmly a child)'s blood for a ritual, but i haven’t played the game and am not going to so i suppose it’s possible everyone referencing this just made it up in some kind of mass hysteria for some reason. but crucially that second bit is such bullshit it doesn’t matter. the problem is taking all these things together! when you have someone stealing a child’s blood for a magic ritual that is not problematic or blood libel on its own, but it becomes so once you have it done by members of the greedy hook nosed race that run the banks and don’t think it’s possible to own property and prefer to eat raw bloody meat and stab the heroes in the back and have stars of david on the floors of their banks. that shit is antisemitic, a lot more so than the culture broadly already is.

Yeah it’s extremely clear that the people making these points haven’t played the game. Literally none of that happens. There’s no kidnap of children, there’s no blood for a magic ritual, there’s no greedy hook nosed race. Literally none of that. You have goblins, they are only portrayed as bankers in the very first fucking scene and after that you interact with goblins who are artists, goblins who work at the bar, goblins who are farmers. It’s so fucking clear you haven’t actually played and that you’re getting upset about things that never happened. There’s two main goblins in the story. One is deadly evil, and is trying to take over the world with magic he found after being oppressed by humans. Then his fucking brother is helping you fight to stop him. This is literally just like the original story with Voldemort. He even fucking kills his brother just like voldemort kills his family. There’s no plot to kidnap a child, no plot to get any blood (where in the world did this even come from, it’s not even implied anywhere, it’s just made up wholecloth). The bad goblin doesn’t even care about you, the main character, at all until you start to interfere with his plans.

similarly it isn’t a pogrom when violence against goblins happens in other fantasy media because those goblins don’t run the banks and aren’t nearly as coded!!! what are you even fucking talking about!!! anyways as you can see i read her whole piece and it was all wrong and poorly argued. next!

“it was all wrong” lol, sure bud, sure thing. There are plenty of examples of goblin bankers in other media, and yet you didn’t even play the game so you have no idea that the goblins you’re talking about in this game, aren’t even fucking bankers. They’re not even looking for money! Your argument is so poor that it literally doesn’t even hold up to the slightest scrutiny. It only holds up to the scarecrow you erected to pit your arguments against. Why not focus on the actual problems with JK which is her support of anti-trans legislation. Oh, but you can’t really do that here either because the developers of HL actually spent significant time making sure that trans people were fucking represented in the game. smdh.

kristina,

YOU PEOPLE

what do you mean by this thonk

TC_209,
TC_209,

Your three personality traits are: 1. Transphobia 2. Antisemitism and 3. Harry fucking Potter.

snowe,

Ah yes, the person that has written thousands of paragraphs in support of trans people is transphobic. Sure thing bud.

I’m not going to link every fucking thing I’ve ever said in support of trans people, that’s ridiculous. But do you want me to go pull my mod log on reddit from removing transphobic and antisemitic comments?

You people (not trans people, like @kristina seems to love to take offense at, but the people arguing with me in this thread) want to get offended so fucking badly that you will literally shit on anyone that says anything that you can possible take offense to. Fuck off.

Now that I’m looking and see that you are all from hexbear it makes way more fucking sense. The actual trans people with sense are on blahaj, fucking hexbear morons invading this thread makes everything make sense now. Go touch grass.

thank fuck I can block instances now. I had no reason to before, but the absolute fuck ton of morons coming into this thread with absolutely no ability to use logic is affecting my mental health. I didn’t believe people could be so dumb, but here you are, proving me wrong. Have a lovely fucking day.

ExotiqueMatter,
@ExotiqueMatter@lemmygrad.ml avatar

The house elfs also want to free their race from slavery perpetrated by humans, and that makes them bad guys because in HP lore they « are happy with servitude » and « it’s natural for them ».

In the books, Hermione is made fun of by the narrator and the characters for suggesting that house elfs should be freed.

And Harry at some point gets his own house elf slave but the story never paint it as a bad thing because « he is a good master so it’s ok ».

There is no universe where this isn’t slavery apologia.

Cromalin,
@Cromalin@hexbear.net avatar

yeah the last line of the last book (before the epilogue) is harry thinking “gee, i sure hope my slave brings me a sandwich,” as he lounges in bed. i didn’t talk about the house elf stuff because my focus was on the goblins but it’s just as, if not more, rancid and evil. many such bits in the books, rita skeeter was really the first sign of jkr’s transphobia

snowe,

And here’s some reading from a Jewish person on the topic. You should really really give it a read. …substack.com/…/a-brief-analysis-of-hogwarts-lega…, though I understand not wanting to give substack a click (maybe you don’t know about that though?).

kristina,

look at what @Cromalin said. hexbear.net/comment/4444298

i could give you a critical reading of a plot synopsis, but i think that wouldnt do much good here, cromalin’s summary is correct. and for the record you have just talked with 3 trans people that agree that its a problem. in fact i havent met a single trans person (i know many hundreds of trans people) that thought it wasnt a problem.

TC_209,
Kuori,
@Kuori@hexbear.net avatar

don’t “they” me, my pronouns are right in my name. using gender neutral pronouns for people who have non-neutral pronouns prominently displayed is soft transphobia

snowe,

Sorry, they really aren’t prominently displayed everywhere. And getting offended by it really isn’t helping your case here.

https://programming.dev/pictrs/image/fca2ca50-8dd4-41ac-afeb-8e6867387160.png

WittyProfileName2,
@WittyProfileName2@hexbear.net avatar

And getting offended by it really isn’t helping your case here.

Yes, rush to the defence of misgendering, that’ll show us uppity transgenders. /s

TC_209,
kristina,

Fuck you, asshole

Stop acting like fighting for basic decency is a bad look. Lines you up directly with the fascists

TC_209,
Awoo,

getting offended by it really isn’t helping your case

Holy shit you’re actually like “getting offended by transphobia is not a good luck for trans people”.

What a tool.

TC_209,
Deebster,
@Deebster@programming.dev avatar

He pointed out that Kuori’s claims that he was engaging in “soft transphobia” were unfounded, but it seems that no-one’s here for any sensible discussion. You’re 100% with us or against us, right? Why be understanding and nuanced when it’s more fun to foment rage?

Perhaps this thread can be revisited when heads are cooler as this is not how a civilised conversation is done.

edit: Ah, I’ve noticed that these are hexbear accounts. I shouldn’t have bothered.

Awoo,

You’re 100% with us or against us, right?

Yes. Correct. Cis people don’t get to tell lgbt people what they should and should not be offended by.

Heads will never be cooler. You’d be banned from every trans space on reddit for the shit you’ve said here. Not only that, but you’d be banned from many of the subs I frequent. Go to gamingcirclejerk and behave this way, banned. Go to animememes and behave this way, banned. Spaces run with team members that are trans will fucking bin you off for it. Because you’re a massive transphobic prick.

You don’t give a fuck about trans people. You do something transphobic and get called out for it and your immediate response is to claim the people calling you out are all hysterical. You do exactly the same shit that misogynists that get called out by women do. All you care about is not breaking your little bubble, not doing a single tiny bit of critical thought about your behaviour, doubling down on “no, I’m a good person” because one tiny fucking bit of self-crit and listening to the actual marginalised groups you hurt without actively hurting them even fucking further in the process is too much to fucking ask of you. Stay away from trans people, you are dangerous to them.

Eat my ass.

Deebster,
@Deebster@programming.dev avatar

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  • Awoo,

    You deebster on reddit too?

    TC_209,
    Kuori,
    @Kuori@hexbear.net avatar

    geordi-no multiple trans people telling you supporting transphobia is bad

    geordi-yes a single zionist with a substack telling you supporting antisemitism is fine and cool

    kristina,

    yeah, at this point the woke trans mob is out and explaining in detail why its bad, but nah im gonna go to the most rabid zionists that wanna kill a fuckton of people and see what their opinions are

    TC_209,
    TC_209,
    Cromalin,
    @Cromalin@hexbear.net avatar

    sadly it still shovels money into her pockets and is about the cabal of hooked nose bankers stealing children to perform rituals

    TC_209,
    Awoo,

    You’re a transphobic clown that cares more about your Harry Potter treats than trans people. Stop pretending otherwise.

    TC_209,
    TC_209,
    DosDude,
    @DosDude@retrolemmy.com avatar

    I think a problem is that people are compelled to vote on every catagory to get that sweet, sweet useless gift. Making them vote for the only name they have played and/or heard of in every catagory.

    Poopfeast420, (edited )
    Poopfeast420 avatar

    This year you could skip a category, and it would still count towards the badge / stickers / whatever, but I don't think that was made clear at a glance. It was explained in the FAQ, but who reads that, when you could just click whatever and be done?

    Maybe that was just for the nominations though, I don't remember checking for the actual vote.

    miss_brainfart,
    @miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml avatar

    There’s this, and there’s just trolling, like giving most innovative gameplay to Starfield. The internet’s gonna internet, what can you do.

    Lith,
    @Lith@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

    At least the trolls make it obvious they’re not voting sincerely. Steam awards are a popularity contest where the categories don’t really matter, so I’m just glad less people will take the results seriously this time around.

    Poopfeast420,
    Poopfeast420 avatar

    I don't think there's really any trolling going on (at least enough that it matters), just that people vote for what they know or recognize, like you said a popularity contest. Three of the titles in the Innovative Gameplay section are pretty niche, no matter how good they are. Even Remnant 2 is dwarfed by Starfield sales, so the latter just becomes the default choice for most people.

    If there was any other big name AAA title on the list, I think Starfield could have lost.

    Willie,

    The issue starts even earlier, with the fact that you're encouraged to nominate games that you may not have even played. I think the only game released this year that I've played was Cities: Skylines 2, which I didn't feel deserved anything, so I just punched in whatever games I could find that had released this year.

    And then, yeah, I totally just clicked choices for all the votes for awards too. I didn't really care, I didn't play any of the choices anyway.

    InputZero,

    I did the exact same thing.

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