After Donald J. Trump tallied victories in Texas, California and 12 other states, Nikki Haley was expected to drop out of the presidential race, according to people familiar with her plans. She was set to deliver remarks in Charleston, S.C., at 10 a.m. Eastern.
Anytime I start to have a shred of thought that people had some dignity left or something redeemable so that I can't think any low of them in general. Stuff like this comes out and I'm re-affirmed in my original stance.
I'm still not going to vote. I want NEWER candidates. I want DIFFERENT but beneficial directions for the country. I want SOMEBODY I can get out and vote for with confidence. But you know what, if it's going to just boil down to Biden and Trump, I can't be bothered. To hell with it. To hell with America.
I can think of people I'd want more than Biden, but the number one entry on my board is "Not Trump". He is uniquely bad, and merits voting against regardless of your feelings about the other side.
If both parties were sane, then sure - vote third party.
But, voting third party will not help in an election where one side is actually campaigning to eradicate their opponents and literally stormed the capitol building when they didn’t get their way. It would be asinine.
The democrats already are the coalition party filled with people who see how batshit and dangerously crazy the Republicans have gotten - it is precisely why they are so diverse.
The only reason Biden, AOC, Bernie Sanders, Ilhan Omar, et al are in the same damn party is they recognize the dangers Trump and his party represent.
If you want things to get much worse for the US and the world, vote Donald Trump. He wants presidential immunity, fewer freedoms, increased difficulty for women and minorities (income-segregated educational opportunities, incredibly unequal wealth inequality, etc), the end of NATO, and other horrible things. Vote anyone but the Biden coalition if you want these things.
If you want to fight things getting worse, or dare to believe in things can get better, vote for Joe Biden.
Right below, you said you can't wrap your head around why anyone wants to vote for either of these old fucks.
Dude, I don't want anyone we have as options right now to be president. These choices fucking suck which tells me that the people's taste in options suck. And why are you telling one person anyways? Go tell the rest of the populace.
I voted for Bernie Sanders before. I wanted him. If I couldn't have him then Andrew Yang. Either of the two and if there's going to be no one like them on the ballot, then fuck it. Not voting.
Vote for the candidate that can win and is the least objectionable.
If you can't bring yourself to do that, at least vote third party so there's some indication that your vote is up for grabs.
If you can't even bring yourself to do that, at least go to the polls and cast a blank ballot, or only vote for down ticket races for your local elections. This matters a lot more than president at the end of the day.
But if you just don't vote at all, then you're not even part of the calculus for those newer, different candidates who might point us in a better direction. They won't know you exist as a political entity, and they won't know they can court your vote.
Even if you are lukewarm on Biden, he will 100% be gone and retired in 4 years. Then we can get a shot at a newer, younger candidate.
On the flip side, Trump and the Republicans, through Project 2025, are going to gut federal government employees and replace them with loyalists. They will make it extremely difficult for anyone who is not a Trump sycophant to be in government.
If Trump wins, he will not leave until he dies and his brand of vitriolic and caustic politics will be here to stay. I would not be surprised if he appointed one of his children as his successor.
Biden is not perfect, but his platform, coalition, and the people he empowers are 100% better than the alternative.
No.
Go browbeat elsewhere, asshole. You are the reason we are where we are now.
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Not sure if you are referring to Trump & Biden, or Trump & Haley. Haley voters are conservatives who don’t really like Trump and are largely upset with the state of the Republican Party. I know a few, and that’s basically their reasoning.
As for Biden: I want to vote for Biden because he and his coalition actually have a decent legislative track record and:
He will not attempt to install a dictatorship
He will not end NATO
He will not reduce women’s rights
He will not make things more difficult for minorities
He will not reduce reproductive rights (abortion, contraceptives, and in-vitro-fertilization like the Christo-Fascists want)
He will not overhaul the US government to match the Republicans Project 2025
He will not hand Ukraine to Russia
He will appoint liberal judges and justices
He supports expanding voting rights, among other things
EDIT: He will also keep the US in the Paris Climate Agreement and work to curtail the effects of climate change.
I do wish he was younger, but he’s not. He was old yesterday, he is old today, and he will be old tomorrow. That won’t change.
I do wish he was handling Israel and Palestine better, but his calling for a ceasefire is far better than Trump, who would be happy to bomb Gaza so hard that it falls off into the Mediterranean. Biden and his Administration are the only one’s standing between Palestine and Trump, who would have no problem destroying them.
His people have also navigated a near-impossible situation which is gradually lower inflation without crashing the economy, while also working to turn Russia's Ukraine war into a total embarrassment for Putin, pushing to and succeeding in expanding NATO, passing a huge infrastructure package to boost America's rail network, capping insulin prices at $35 and all with the tiniest majority imaginable. Imagine what he could do if he had the majorities to amend the constitution?
He is not a perfect person or even a perfect president, but Biden has got a lot done with the tiniest of majorities. That’s why I am voting for him when the time comes.
Edit 1: Clarity
Edit 2: Added point 10 about climate change.
Haley is a goddamn spring chicken compared to Biden and Trump, of course I'm talking about them. How and why they ended up top of the primaries is a mystery to me.
Biden has put together a competent administration that has actually done some positive things. There's absolutely no chance Danald Tramp will do that and he sure as fuck did not last time. I think most people do not really want to vote for Biden and the DNC and Biden himself has failed us, but it's realistic that voting for him is a reasonable thing to do because Trump will be worse on every single issue (yes, including Palestine).
my take is if you are old enough, that if working in the business sector, they'd have forced you to retire, then you're too old for a elected position. basically 60-65 should be the cutoff.
on the flip, i don't think the Executive branch should be elected at all. i think it should work somewhat like jury duty. you get called to serve your country. you should be interviewed by your peers to determine if you would be fit for the role.
Biden's actually been kind of decent, better than I expected, but I'm voting against trump, first and foremost. That dude is loudly broadcasting that he'll make life absolutely miserable for minorities, people who didn't support him, etc, and it's supported by his first time and his "efforts" with covid that largely came down to, "Let it hit the cities, they voted against me anyhow."
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