“Decades before” Star Trek 2009: that would be in the post-Enterprise, pre-TOS/Kelvin era. We know the first Romulan war happened somewhere in there; anything else?
What I liked most about Andor was how it felt perfectly at home in the Star Wars universe while also having its own distinct flavor.
A lot of modern Star Wars media just keeps leaning on references and recycling of old content. To quote RLM, “I saw things I know!” Andor stayed light on direct references and instead tried to have its own new ideas and visual designs that would fit in the universe.
If Hayes can do that with Trek, it will be very welcome.
Andor is probably the best thing to come of Disney Star Wars. If that quality persists I am very excited. If that quality does not persist still a win: more Star Trek.
I just hope whatever form it takes we lose the bizarrely shoehorned-in fictional culture of having a “number one” (literally only Picard used that nickname for Riker back in the day) and the equally annoying and cringey creation of the captain of the ship having a “go to warp” catchphrase.
According to some sources, calling the second-in-command/executive/first officer “number one” might have historically been a thing in the British Navy, but i don’t see a reliable source for that after a minute of searching so I’m not sure.
Anyone else bothered by yet another prequel? Enterprise, Kelvin films, Discovery (s1-2), strange new worlds … there’s clearly a hesitancy to do something new right?
Separating late-period from early period Discovery doesn’t really work. As much as I like the time jump, it’s pretty much the same show, and Burhnam is still Spock’s sister.
Picard is still a relatively hard se-quel, which resonates with the essence of my argument … plus it had a Soong. I’m not sure you can describe S3 as any less nostalgia baiting or digging into established IP than any prequel. Not sure Picard, especially S3, is a convincing example of “Star Trek doesn’t have a default setting”.
Which leaves Lower Decks and Prodigy … which are by my reckoning the two relatively universally appreciated Trek projects since Voyager (at least amongst those that have watched them) … which I would claim is not a coincidence (not that we all have to like the same things).
They’re both animated too which I feel exemplifies the risk-aversion modern Trek production has to “new” projects/characters etc.
Separating late-period from early period Discovery doesn’t really work.
So your contention is that the third and fourth seasons of Discovery are a prequel to…something?
Picard is still a relatively hard se-quel, which resonates with the essence of my argument
Which makes it a prequel? Your argument is that the default setting is “prequel.”
But okay, prequels are bad and sequels are bad, so I guess we need to pick one episode of “old Trek,” and all future series and films should occur simultaneously with that episode.
Sighs. For a moderator I have to say this is poor form.
You’re putting words into my mouth, putting up straw man args, misinterpreting my statements and not really caring to try to engage with my side of the discussion all while being unnecessarily aggressive for what is a difference of opinion.
I hope you’re just in a bad mood.
But to clarify … it’s simple … leaning into old IP vs coming up with new IP.
I think there’s been too much of the former and not enough of the latter. I fear this new thing will continue that trend. Your argument about “default setting” is basically the same thing I’m saying where I think the interest in anything that can be directly tied to anything TNG and earlier is the “default setting”.
so I guess we need to pick one episode of “old Trek,” and all future series and films should occur simultaneously with that episode.
Don’t know where you pulled that from. It’s literally the opposite of what I’m saying. Really not sure what’s going on here.
And TBH, I’m going to report this, whatever that means in this situation. You’re being a moderator factors into my decision to do so.
Are you trying to say that I can’t clarify my sentiment or why I think something and so once I say one line everything I say has to be blind to its strict and literal meaning?
It’s not like a preponderance of leveraging older IP can’t make someone tired of prequels (which were the first words out of my mouth).
Or, if you’re trying to counter my criticism that you’re putting words in my mouth. Well your quote is from a couple of posts earlier … you were replying to a different post with different words.
And spare me the concern trolling bullshit.
What’s funny is that I’m not trolling, and accusing me of that in this rude way only exacerbates this.
Oh for sure. While mods behaving badly isn’t anything new on the web, I can’t help but feel that this is a Reddit hang over culturally speaking.
Lemmy is a smaller and different space that really shouldn’t have to tolerate this from a mod. And from what I can tell, the behaviour is repeated.
Interestingly, I think it establishes a case against topic specific instances. They’re also an admin of the instance. For anything to be done about this would require acting against the place for Star Trek content on lemmy. Which is obviously a hard ask.
The fun thing about the Matalas post-TNG/legacy thing for me is that it nicely straddles the line between being new and nostalgic. Seven would be captain and a whole bunch of other stuff too would be new, but still connected to the TNG era past.
As always, I will not actually believe there is a new Trek movie being made until my butt is in the seat, with a popcorn in one hand, Dr. Pepper in the second hand, opening credits already rolling on the screen.
Y’know, I don’t think I’ve ever actually seen Mr. Pibb available here, but I still believe my having one at the theatre is more likely than there being a new Star Trek movie in theatres any time soon.
Now this I’m interested in. Andor was a quite good and, importantly, character-driven study of a desperate man growing to challenge an insurmountable empire… You know, in contrast to the exhaustive world building and effects-heavy “pew pew” fan service that has become the rest of modern star wars
I dare say, I’d also enjoy this film much more than the nixed Tarantino film
Andor was the best story of the Disney trash. I think anybody could watch it and be compelled. I think because Andor has a hard end in Rogue One, they need to go hard and establish him as a bad ass.
I’m sad to hear Tarantino got negged on ST though.
Also, as someone noted in a Discord chat about it, "decades before" only gives you a small window between the start of the Kelvin universe and Trek '09, otherwise too far back and you're making a Prime Timeline movie. So that'll be interesting to see what they plan.
I would take that with a grain of salt - it’s a general-purpose Hollywood outlet reporting what their sources told them, so there could be room for inaccuracies.
They could also follow Simon Pegg’s contention that the Kelvin and Prime timelines could be different at any point in history (which I support).
There are actually differences in the Prime and Kelvin timelines that happened before Nero’s incursion. For instance, Kirk’s date of birth is off by several months. They tried to justify that afterwards by saying something about the event sending shockwaves through time to change things before it even happened or something like that. The real reason probably lies in that interview where JJ Abrams admitted he never liked Star Trek, but you could argue that the removal of various down-stream time travel events, like the events of “The City on the Edge of Forever” likely not happening in the modified timeline, could actually cause retroactive changes to the timeline.
But anyway, the Kelvin timeline already diverges before the Kelvin-Narada thing, because reasons.
At this point the Kelvin timeline is just a handwavey excuse for recasting Kirk and crew of TOS and following movies. And a prequel to Kelvin is an excuse to recast those parts with younger actors.
Personally, I could care less about new movies featuring the TOS characters. Star trek evolved past them 30 years ago, I wish Hollywood would realise that.
If Discovery or SNW had been the first to recast Kirk, there would have been a revolt, but since Kelvin got us used to the idea people just kind of accept it.
I think the kelvin timeline is great for the sole fact that it is what peaked my interest in trek. I recently just finished watching everything trek and it was because the 09 movie was cool and got me to start watching the different tv series.
@M500@cm0002 I think that’s amazing and wonderful. Any Star Trek vehicle from any point can be anyone’s gateway. And that’s why it’s still here. Rock on you!
Watching squabbles over this stuff is depressing. I have specific Trek I’ll avoid, but that’s me, and bringing it up over and over in every conversation is lame.
@M500 Season 1 and most of 2 of TNG is hard to get through because it's pretty campy. Wesley went on trial on a planet because he crushed some flowers. They were going to put him to death. :ablobflushed:
Personally though... I'm very into The Wrath of Khan. It's my list topper of great Trek. And I think that causes a lot of my disdain for "Into Darkness". Every time I've watched it, it makes me like angry? Which is weird I guess, but I can't objectively watch it. It's always with judgement.
I agree that tng 1 and 2 can be difficult too. I think it was just genes Star Trek that I had trouble with. Once he was no longer leading the show it picked up for me.
Not to say that it’s bad or I don’t like it. But compared to the rest of trek that’s what I like the least.
Khan was a great movie and I really enjoyed trek 2, 3, and 4. I think I was burn out by 6 as I’d just finished a ton of trek at that time.
Finished tos season 3, watched all of tas and prod, and then did all the tos movies to finish it off. So after 5 I was not ready to like another tos trek movie.
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