I think this is mostly a US thing. Why use yearly salary? You’re not paid once a year, are you? Most likely once a month. Referencing monthly salary makes much more sense.
“I’m making 50k”. Great, now I have to guess - dollars? Monthly? Yearly? If yearly then what’s the monthly paycheck? Net? Gross?
I used to think in terms of hourly salaries until I got older and got big money jobs that are in yearly salaries.
I think it comes down to the fundamental difference of salaried jobs vs hourly jobs. Hourly depends on when you’re scheduled, how long. It’s typically flexible schedules, typically student jobs or generally non-career jobs. So comparing compensation with the hourly rate makes sense. The tax rate varies, the pay varies, everything sort of varies. The only reliable metric there is your actual instant compensation.
When it comes to salaried jobs, it’s usually a flat pay. Sometimes I’ll do some overtime, sometimes I do less to compensate for the overtime. The actual hourly rate becomes less relevant, because the hourly rate varies a bit as a result. But also it’s no longer a calculation of “I got X hours this week, I can pay for Y expense when I get my paycheck”. I get paid the same every time, and I care more about whether I’ll overdraft than really how much money I earn per hour. It stops being a useful metric to me. What’s $2/h do for me? Can I afford a new TV with that? Then there’s bonuses typically given as one time payments, lots of one time big expenses on the house. Maybe it cost me 2 months worth of salary and I’ll pay it over 6 to make it work, but I can look back at the expenses in the year and have a good picture of my expenses overall.
In the end, taxes are yearly income, and a year is a decent period for spiky expenses to wash out. I earn X a year, I get taxed Y on it, my expenses were Z, and I have W savings that went into retirement. I don’t really have a use for looking at my expenses weekly/bi-weekly/monthly.
Yearly salaries are assumed in local currency (so USD in the US, CAD in Canada), and the gross amount. Because my friend in Ontario might make the same salary as I do in Québec, but we’re taxed differently, but we can still compare absolute compensation. Same in the US, it varies by state. You may have more or less deducted for various things, maybe you owe back taxes, maybe you owe child support, maybe you have a more expensive insurance plan, maybe you’re throwing more in your retirement plan. But total gross yearly compensation is the same, and includes pretty much everything: tax returns, tax dues, bonuses.
Another example: I’m throwing a lot of money on my retirement account. In Canada, this is non taxable income. But taxes are taken out of your paycheck. So everything I put in an RRSP turns into an implied tax return which is once a year. I get less net income during the month, but higher net income with the tax return. The only accurate numbers are the overall net and gross yearly income.
“I’m making 50k”. Great, now I have to guess - dollars? Monthly? Yearly? If yearly then what’s the monthly paycheck? Net? Gross?
I mean surely it’s obvious in that example, no?
dollars
If that’s the native currency wherever you are, then of course dollars
Monthly? Yearly?
$50k/month about be $600k/year. Pretty sure you’d be able to tell if the person you’re talking to made half a million dollars a year vs just above the poverty line (in the US at least) just from context, but when in doubt - it’s probably safe to assume that the person you’re talking to isnt in the top 1% of earners
If yearly then what’s the monthly paycheck?
Yearly divided by 12? If you’re in a hurry and want a rough estimate just chop a number off the right and that’ll get you to within ~10% of the correct value
Net? Gross?
I’ve literally never heard anyone give their salary as gross outside the context of financial planning, and even then they’ll always specify “after taxes” or something similar.
Other comments go into plenty of detail about why they se various conventions are what they are (yearly vs monthly, net vs gross, etc(
I’ve literally never heard anyone give their salary as gross outside the context of financial planning, and even then they’ll always specify “after taxes” or something similar.
If you know the yearly, then that is the allotted amount in the company budget for you. So, in the big picture, you are being paid yearly. Especially if you are salary or contract. I have switched to making a yearly budget with monthly categories, and the yearly costs are much easier to factor into. My budget became more simplified and less stressful. Also, another benefit is that I save for an average cost that is usually higher than most months, and the high cost months are less troublesome to plan for.
I try to calculate net income: deductions and taxes removed from gross income. Overall, I feel better as I can plan ahead of time and don’t need to do it every month. Still need to keep an eye on following the plan and for anything that changes it. I don’t just plan it either, I execute it.
In France, people are sometimes paid 13/14 months a year. It means you get two months as a bonus, so it’s relevant in this case to tell the yearly salary
True, and funnily enough french people don’t use yearly gross. Most of the time they use monthly net, and, in the context of salary negotiations, will specify over how many months. E.g. “2000 net sur 13 mois”
I work OT as well, and it’s feast or famine. I’ve had 30% of my yearly salary come from a little over two months where I worked 12/7s. Hourly rate doesn’t really get that across.
This isn’t how tax brackets work. Say we have 5%, 10%, and 15% in a system similar to the US with completely made up numbers. Say you make $99k, your first $33k will be taxed at 5% ($1650), your second $33k at 10%($3300), and your last $33k taxed at 15%($4950) totalling $9900. 9900/99000= a 10% effective tax rate. The real system is more complicated, but this is what it boils down to.
Nothing that I wrote conflicts with anything you said.
Being in Tax Bracket C doesn’t in any way imply you arent in Tax Bracket A.
The point is, Tax Brackets, and Taxes in general, are based on yearly income, so thats what people largely measure by once you are above a certain pay grade.
You get taxed by the year, so many people quote their income by the year, because its a quick and simple indicator of wealth/status.
You wrote “it determines your tax bracket” inferring you’d be in a single bracket and this is an extremely common misconception with how our tax system works. Furthermore, your income is only part of the equation since your tax rate is also affected by deductions, exemptions, and credits making two people making the exact same income can be taxed at different rates.
The only people I’ve ever heard talking about “their tax bracket” are the types who refuse to take an extra hours at work because “it’ll put me in a higher tax bracket and I’ll actually earn less money than if I hadn’t worked it at all” even though that’s mathematically impossible.
Someone earning $44,726 will put them a whole dollar into the 22% tax bracket meaning they pay $0.22 more in taxes than if they’d stayed within the 12% bracket of $11,001-$44,725. Claiming “I’m in the 22% bracket” is completely meaningless, as evidenced with the above example, and ignores the fact that this person is much more likely to have an effective tax rate of around 12% or less. If you’re only paying 12% of your income in taxes, why in the world would you say you’re “in the 22% bracket?”
Most folks who know how taxes work refer to their “tax bracket” inclusively with respect to both the point they are at as well as inclusive with all below
Because its impossible to be at the third tax bracket without logically also being in the first and second implicitly, it is redundant to include that.
Sorry mate but you are just coming across as pedantic here, or uninformed. Its quite normal to, colloquially, refer to the topmost bracket you are encroached into as “your tax bracket” singular, with everyone in the room understanding that is inclusive with all those below it.
I wont deny that there are a lot of people that think that going up a tax bracket means all their income is taxed at the new rate, which is always hilarious that people still think that in 2023.
But no, I assure you, I know how progressive tax brackets work lol.
You’re just repeating the same thing you said in the last comment and ignoring everything I wrote. Nowhere did I say that you need to list every bracket. I said people don’t talk about “their tax bracket” because that isn’t a thing and that isn’t their tax bracket. It’s just a percentage that some potentially miniscule amount of tax that may apply to a further potentially tiny fraction of income and in no way represents how much they’re paying in taxes.
and in no way represents how much they’re paying in taxes.
It does actually, because if you are any amount into tax bracket n, you are already implicitly paying the maximum taxes of brackets 1 to n-1
For example in Canada, federal tax brackets are:
15% up to $53,359
20.5% between $53,359 and $106,717
29% between $165,430 up to $235,675 …
If I say I am in the third tax bracket, that already implicitly informs you of how much taxes I am paying for the first and second brackets, because by being in the third bracket I already am paying the maximum amount for brackets one and two. These are now fixed values implicitly.
If I am in the third tax bracket, you know I am paying at minimum $8003.85 + $10938.39 (the maximums of bracket 1 and 2 combined), and at most another $20,371 above that.
No more, no less, the “third tax bracket” is paying between $18,942.24 and $39,313.24 per year.
So yes, it is a specific and fixed “range” of taxes.
In future we all expect you to list the average tax rate you are in and which two tax brackets that it lies between by calculating all the taxes paid and dividing by your gross wages then looking up the tax code to verify it has not changed. Please provide sources every time on your tax code.
I can’t tell if you’re being serious - and so the world’s biggest pedant, or if you’re just the kind of person who can never admit they were wrong, even about something inconsequential, and aren’t willing to admit you misread the top comment lol
Happens in germany too. A lot of people get a special salary at the end of the year, Christmas money if you will, and that also accounts into the yearly salary. If I earn 4K a month, I earn 48K a year, but if I get 100% christmas money, I earn 52K.
In my last three jobs, I was paid weekly, then bimonthly, and currently every two weeks. Weekly and every two weeks is easy to convert, but bimonthly my pay would fluctuate slightly.
There are also yearly bonuses and similar that would not be included.
I can’t even compare wages with my partner if we have to go by monthly rate.
I get paid per month, but in May I get an 8% bonus, so my monthly payment is not the same throughout the year. Then my partner gets paid every 4 weeks, and receives bonuses based on company performance in those 4 weeks. So every payment is different.
Per annum is the only way we can compare our salaries. And that’s in the same country. Now try international, and it’ll really difficult otherwise soon.
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