I’ll start by addressing your second question first: bias isn’t a binary; it exists on a spectrum. there’s a difference between a tiny bit of bias and extreme bias. So, though previous research and experience, I have come to trust some sources more than others and come to expect certain sources to have more or less bias in one direction or another. that, combined with comparative analysis of multiple sources, one can come closer to factual reporting through one’s own critical analysis of the reporting itself-- however, depending on what’s reported and the sources available, sometimes… one can only be so certain that one is getting the truth.
it can be frustrating trying to find accurate reporting of a story, even from previously trusted sources. I encourage people to read their news from multiple sources whose backgrounds they’ve investigated and to critically analyze the facts presented, and that they apply their own critical analysis to try their best to arrive as close as they can to the facts. Also, to realize that, in the world of corporate media, that being certain that the news you’re consuming is 100% accurate my not be possible.
The conviction that reality has to conform to whatever the mainstream consensus is does seem to be the core of liberal ideology. It's like the whole ideology is premised on the argumentum ad populum.
Are you sure that this is not a bot? The BrooklynMan seems to do basic webscraping, then make arguments independant of the context of the article itself, then doubles down on their incoherent epistemology. is it that hard to automate?
Uuuuuuugh, “I don’t like this source” is easily one of my least favorite responses; the respondent may as well not even post since they’re ignoring the content anyway. Yes, the Wall Street Journal is puke, but nobody lies 100% of the time. That’s why you need to learn how to read critically.
There has to be some sort of course that people can take to teach them how to properly scrutinize sources and distinguish between good reporting and rumourmongering, rather than trying to take shortcuts like that.
And what’s up with all of the repetitive definitions and attempts to accuse you of being logically fallacious? It doesn’t make the replier look clever; it’s just extremely embarrassing.
I had a philosophy professor years ago who said that people who make catalogues of logical fallacies don't really understand logic. The true logician simply examines the argument, notes that it doesn't follow, and tells you why without using any jargon.
Being on the internet has convinced me this guy was completely correct.
Liberals are basically a cult at this point, I honestly don't think it's possible to engage with them in a meaningful way. They've basically constructed a narrative regarding how the world works, and anything that doesn't fit into that narrative gets discarded. Amusingly, libs are able to recognize this behavior in other cults like qanon, but are not able to apply the same analysis to themselves.
I suspect it's going to take a crisis that affect these people in a tangible material way for them to start questioning their beliefs and examining things in a critical fashion.
And the types of replies in that thread are basically a learned behavior where libs just dismiss things they don't want to hear and expect the rest of the libs to pile on to downvote.
Always gotta love the faux-confidence the libs have of knowing they are always right, because they can dismiss anyone who doesn't agree with them as biased/a shill/propagandist.
Heaven forbid somebody engage in an intellectually honest debate with somebody with a differing opinion. Even if somebody IS spouting propaganda, you don't become tainted by having a discussion with them; you might even convince a third party who is viewing.
Listen pal, Ukraine is Dumbledore's Rebellion Army and Russia is goddamn Dark Vader and the Nazis (bad) all rolled into one. Now are you gonna wise up and support the Nazis (good) against the bigoted slavic hordes, or am I gonna have to write more vague masturbatory screeds in the cadence of a West Wing monologue I half-watched once?
"Oh you have a sound counter argument? What a way to put words in my mouth. Also here's some wikipedia links without me explaining how your arguments connect to them."
That reminds me of the trot here once who wanted me to read the wikipedia page on Tibet in lieu of giving me actual arguments as to how Tibet was before the revolution.
And we're the ones who want to exist in self-affirming spaces? Liberals can't see the hypocrisy of decrying the far-right yet acting exactly like them.
They left reddit because of reddit bullshit and the first thing they want to do in this new space is create the exact same conditions that made reddit crap.
Liberals have no convictions. 90% of them only came here to effetely virtue-signal at Spez, and they'll have their tongues back between his toes by this time in July
Yeah, I see a lot of bragging about “pushing tankies out of the space”, the space that they founded, mind you. Not even content with just creating echo chambers to exist blindly and unquestioningly in (beehaw), they don’t want other groups to have anything for themselves; they aren’t satisfied getting a space for themselves until they can be sure their ‘enemy’ also has no space for themselves.
Gotta agree. While I enjoy just vibing with the comrades here, having those clashes adds hilarity, memes and develops a culture that made eg GZD so unique.
It's amazing to see how liberals have no idea what to do when they end up outside their circle jerk. They aren't able to articulate any actual points, and they're used to just piling on anyone who says things they disagree with and not have to actually make an argument of their own. My favorite is the guy who keeps linking to wikipedia descriptions of logical fallacies without actually understanding them. 😂
It's already starting to happen in lemmy.ml, saw a post in world news where they called someone a neo Nazi for pointing out a pro Ukraine article was written by a Ukrainian govt official. Chaos ensued.
LMAO just checked c/ukraine on lemmy.ml and it's completely overrun by libs inventing reality. It's going to be absolutely incredible to watch the meltdowns when it becomes obvious that the west is losing the war.
its funny on one hand, but also really disturbing tbh. In the USA there are the incoherant liberals and the incoherant fascists and any left wing movement that seek to make the world better is stifled with childish namecalling.
At this point I'm convinced that US is just going to implode as a country. As economic situation continues to unravel people are becoming increasingly agitated, and lacking any sort of understanding of what's actually happening leads to increased tribalism. Most people in US are now aware at some level that the country isn't working for the majority of the people, but they just blame the other camp for all the problems. This can easily turn into civil unrest and violence once the material conditions deteriorate to the point where a significant portion of the public finds them unbearable.
In the upper 50-70 posts there's like 3 your posts critical of the narration and every single other post is straight up either UA propaganda, western repost of UA propaganda or westoid rablings going even further than UA propaganda.
This is what happens when you've been deep soaked in western lib propaganda on Reddit for years, and are shown a bit of dissonance to the talking points you've been gurgling for years.
It's like exposure/shock therapy... Except they just get scared and run away cause forming your own opinion from facts is scary.
I swear to god, when this shit is finished I'm going to bottle liberals tears and drink it with vodka. I fucking can't wait enough for the West to fall, I hate so much having to interact with these people.
Their whole world view if fractally wrong, and it's going to be incredible to see how they react when they're finally forced to start reconciling it with reality.
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