juchebot88,
@juchebot88@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Holy crap, this guy BrooklynMan:

I’ll start by addressing your second question first: bias isn’t a binary; it exists on a spectrum. there’s a difference between a tiny bit of bias and extreme bias. So, though previous research and experience, I have come to trust some sources more than others and come to expect certain sources to have more or less bias in one direction or another. that, combined with comparative analysis of multiple sources, one can come closer to factual reporting through one’s own critical analysis of the reporting itself-- however, depending on what’s reported and the sources available, sometimes… one can only be so certain that one is getting the truth.

it can be frustrating trying to find accurate reporting of a story, even from previously trusted sources. I encourage people to read their news from multiple sources whose backgrounds they’ve investigated and to critically analyze the facts presented, and that they apply their own critical analysis to try their best to arrive as close as they can to the facts. Also, to realize that, in the world of corporate media, that being certain that the news you’re consuming is 100% accurate my not be possible.

Has anything libbier ever been spewed?

yogthos,
@yogthos@lemmygrad.ml avatar

I love how BrooklynMan fundamentally doesn't understand what bias actually is.

juchebot88,
@juchebot88@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Well, yeah. He's a lib. (They found out material reality is biased against liberalism, and so they decided to cancel it).

yogthos,
@yogthos@lemmygrad.ml avatar

The conviction that reality has to conform to whatever the mainstream consensus is does seem to be the core of liberal ideology. It's like the whole ideology is premised on the argumentum ad populum.

relay,

That was an exhausting read.

Are you sure that this is not a bot? The BrooklynMan seems to do basic webscraping, then make arguments independant of the context of the article itself, then doubles down on their incoherent epistemology. is it that hard to automate?

simply_surprise,
@simply_surprise@lemmygrad.ml avatar

I don't think it's fully a bot. There may be some automated elements.

I think he's a lib that's having a really hard time with the cognitive dissonance.

ToastyWaffles,

What's the difference?

Slaps knee

AnarchoBolshevik,
@AnarchoBolshevik@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Uuuuuuugh, “I don’t like this source” is easily one of my least favorite responses; the respondent may as well not even post since they’re ignoring the content anyway. Yes, the Wall Street Journal is puke, but nobody lies 100% of the time. That’s why you need to learn how to read critically.

There has to be some sort of course that people can take to teach them how to properly scrutinize sources and distinguish between good reporting and rumourmongering, rather than trying to take shortcuts like that.

And what’s up with all of the repetitive definitions and attempts to accuse you of being logically fallacious? It doesn’t make the replier look clever; it’s just extremely embarrassing.

PolandIsAStateOfMind,
@PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Yes, the Wall Street Journal is puke, but nobody lies 100% of the time. That’s why you need to learn how to read critically.

The point we post explicitly liberal sources is to make liberals think even for just a second. Turns out, it's still not enough.

And what’s up with all of the repetitive definitions and attempts to accuse you of being logically fallacious?

It's an old trolling technique, but this guy apparently didn't even understand how it's done.

juchebot88,
@juchebot88@lemmygrad.ml avatar

I had a philosophy professor years ago who said that people who make catalogues of logical fallacies don't really understand logic. The true logician simply examines the argument, notes that it doesn't follow, and tells you why without using any jargon.

Being on the internet has convinced me this guy was completely correct.

PolandIsAStateOfMind,
@PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml avatar

It's not only an internet, reading philosphy in general i noticed it's awfully filled with jargon. And it tend to use it in worst possible manner.

yogthos,
@yogthos@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Liberals are basically a cult at this point, I honestly don't think it's possible to engage with them in a meaningful way. They've basically constructed a narrative regarding how the world works, and anything that doesn't fit into that narrative gets discarded. Amusingly, libs are able to recognize this behavior in other cults like qanon, but are not able to apply the same analysis to themselves.

I suspect it's going to take a crisis that affect these people in a tangible material way for them to start questioning their beliefs and examining things in a critical fashion.

And the types of replies in that thread are basically a learned behavior where libs just dismiss things they don't want to hear and expect the rest of the libs to pile on to downvote.

IntoDaLagoon,

basically a learned behavior where libs just dismiss things they don’t want to hear and expect the rest of the libs to pile on to downvote.

Makes it twice as funny when the browbeating cavalry fails to arrive

yogthos,
@yogthos@lemmygrad.ml avatar

💯

Addfwyn,

Always gotta love the faux-confidence the libs have of knowing they are always right, because they can dismiss anyone who doesn't agree with them as biased/a shill/propagandist.

Heaven forbid somebody engage in an intellectually honest debate with somebody with a differing opinion. Even if somebody IS spouting propaganda, you don't become tainted by having a discussion with them; you might even convince a third party who is viewing.

IntoDaLagoon,

Listen pal, Ukraine is Dumbledore's Rebellion Army and Russia is goddamn Dark Vader and the Nazis (bad) all rolled into one. Now are you gonna wise up and support the Nazis (good) against the bigoted slavic hordes, or am I gonna have to write more vague masturbatory screeds in the cadence of a West Wing monologue I half-watched once?

That's what I thought.

m532,

Brooklynman is a misgendering reactionary who calls people snowflakes.

The other one is probably his experimental debatebro bot. Only something like 10 lines that have 0 context relevance.

Edit: Now he is using both accounts to doubledownvote everything (in sync)

This is only one person

polskilumalo,
@polskilumalo@lemmygrad.ml avatar

"Oh you have a sound counter argument? What a way to put words in my mouth. Also here's some wikipedia links without me explaining how your arguments connect to them."

CriticalResist8,

That reminds me of the trot here once who wanted me to read the wikipedia page on Tibet in lieu of giving me actual arguments as to how Tibet was before the revolution.

You: makes a one-off sentence

Trot: heh, unfortunately, you haven't read the entire wikipedia page on this issue https://lemmygrad.ml/pictrs/image/4153fe7c-96bd-4f43-ac9b-893892984329.png

simply_surprise,
@simply_surprise@lemmygrad.ml avatar

I sneaky linked him pig poop balls like an article and he didn't even click it 😥

PolandIsAStateOfMind,
@PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Holy shit go look at the thread right now, that guy have SERIOUS problems.

simply_surprise,
@simply_surprise@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Yeah, I think we broke him. He got banned by our mods now tho.

AlbigensianGhoul,
@AlbigensianGhoul@lemmygrad.ml avatar

"Cool argument, but this link debunks you. Checkmate."

Edit: On a serious note, I think those two are breaking the main instance rule on spam.

yogthos,
@yogthos@lemmygrad.ml avatar

They haven't made a single comment with any substance. I specifically and repeatedly tried to tease one out of them.

CannotSleep420,

Damn, I can't respond to the one lib because they're banned from lemmygrad.

ICBM,

I couldn't even see comments I made from here on to there. Are we all blocked from visibility? I can just use my lemmy login.

savoy,
@savoy@lemmygrad.ml avatar

And we're the ones who want to exist in self-affirming spaces? Liberals can't see the hypocrisy of decrying the far-right yet acting exactly like them.

CriticalResist8,

They left reddit because of reddit bullshit and the first thing they want to do in this new space is create the exact same conditions that made reddit crap.

This is colonialism all over again.

PolandIsAStateOfMind,
@PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml avatar

They aren't even shy about it (post about "tankies"):

https://lemmygrad.ml/pictrs/image/d5d48205-b676-4c68-a0a6-7164f6d518d6.png

CriticalResist8,

and how's rexxit going for them lol

PolandIsAStateOfMind,
@PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Most of them will probably get back.

absentthereaper,
@absentthereaper@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Liberals have no convictions. 90% of them only came here to effetely virtue-signal at Spez, and they'll have their tongues back between his toes by this time in July

133arc585,

This is colonialism all over again.

Yeah, I see a lot of bragging about “pushing tankies out of the space”, the space that they founded, mind you. Not even content with just creating echo chambers to exist blindly and unquestioningly in (beehaw), they don’t want other groups to have anything for themselves; they aren’t satisfied getting a space for themselves until they can be sure their ‘enemy’ also has no space for themselves.

yogthos,
@yogthos@lemmygrad.ml avatar

it's always projections

KommandoGZD,

Gotta agree. While I enjoy just vibing with the comrades here, having those clashes adds hilarity, memes and develops a culture that made eg GZD so unique.

yogthos,
@yogthos@lemmygrad.ml avatar

It's amazing to see how liberals have no idea what to do when they end up outside their circle jerk. They aren't able to articulate any actual points, and they're used to just piling on anyone who says things they disagree with and not have to actually make an argument of their own. My favorite is the guy who keeps linking to wikipedia descriptions of logical fallacies without actually understanding them. 😂

ToastyWaffles,

It's already starting to happen in lemmy.ml, saw a post in world news where they called someone a neo Nazi for pointing out a pro Ukraine article was written by a Ukrainian govt official. Chaos ensued.

yogthos,
@yogthos@lemmygrad.ml avatar

LMAO just checked c/ukraine on lemmy.ml and it's completely overrun by libs inventing reality. It's going to be absolutely incredible to watch the meltdowns when it becomes obvious that the west is losing the war.

ComradePupIvy,
@ComradePupIvy@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Wait it is not obvious yet? how obvious are we talking here?

yogthos,
@yogthos@lemmygrad.ml avatar

I love libs now support literal nazis to the hilt while calling everyone else a nazi for pointing it out.

relay,

its funny on one hand, but also really disturbing tbh. In the USA there are the incoherant liberals and the incoherant fascists and any left wing movement that seek to make the world better is stifled with childish namecalling.

yogthos,
@yogthos@lemmygrad.ml avatar

At this point I'm convinced that US is just going to implode as a country. As economic situation continues to unravel people are becoming increasingly agitated, and lacking any sort of understanding of what's actually happening leads to increased tribalism. Most people in US are now aware at some level that the country isn't working for the majority of the people, but they just blame the other camp for all the problems. This can easily turn into civil unrest and violence once the material conditions deteriorate to the point where a significant portion of the public finds them unbearable.

PolandIsAStateOfMind,
@PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Ukraine community:

https://lemmygrad.ml/pictrs/image/956d4f5b-cbcc-4f40-b2be-b47f61ef8444.png

In the upper 50-70 posts there's like 3 your posts critical of the narration and every single other post is straight up either UA propaganda, western repost of UA propaganda or westoid rablings going even further than UA propaganda.

ToastyWaffles,

This is what happens when you've been deep soaked in western lib propaganda on Reddit for years, and are shown a bit of dissonance to the talking points you've been gurgling for years.

It's like exposure/shock therapy... Except they just get scared and run away cause forming your own opinion from facts is scary.

sovietsnake,
@sovietsnake@lemmygrad.ml avatar

I swear to god, when this shit is finished I'm going to bottle liberals tears and drink it with vodka. I fucking can't wait enough for the West to fall, I hate so much having to interact with these people.

yogthos,
@yogthos@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Their whole world view if fractally wrong, and it's going to be incredible to see how they react when they're finally forced to start reconciling it with reality.

simply_surprise,
@simply_surprise@lemmygrad.ml avatar

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    @yogthos@lemmygrad.ml avatar

    Just imagine the levels of copium we'll be seeing in the next few months when the whole Ukrainian offensive burns out and Russia starts making gains.

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    @simply_surprise@lemmygrad.ml avatar

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    oh good call, I keep forgetting to link via Lemmygrad

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