xuxebiko,
NotAPenguin,

Did you look at the meme?

Even if plants are conscious we use way less with a plant based diet so veganism is still the answer.

xuxebiko,

So its not ok to eat animals because animals are conscious but its ok to eat plants even if plants are conscious?

NotAPenguin,

Did you not read what I said? lol.
You are doing exactly what is shown in the meme.

Even if plants are conscious we use way less with a plant based diet so veganism is still the answer for least amount of killing.

xuxebiko,

So veganism is ok with killing now?

dismalnow,
dismalnow avatar

How long have you been awake?

xuxebiko,

Long enough to wake y'all up :)

AngrilyEatingMuffins,
AngrilyEatingMuffins avatar

Just popping in to call you a fucking moron :)

xuxebiko,

that's a 'yes, vegans are ok with killing' then?

Shawdow194,
Shawdow194 avatar

Good read. Thanks!

Froyn,

https://kbin.social/m/asklemmy@lemmy.ml/t/214721/-/comment/908484

"You know damn well that plants don't experience anything, pretending to be dumb isn't a gotcha."

Then, instead of debating whether plants CAN feel pain you instead kept screeching veganism is the answer. You were provided sources to back the claim that plants feel pain, but instead ignored what was written and went back to screeching.

NotAPenguin,

I'm not gonna continue engaging with you when you refuse to look at the arguments I make, just as this meme says, it really doesn't matter if plants feel pain(they still don't), less plants are used with a plant based diet, so if you believe it you should go vegan.

That's the argument I kept making to you and you just kept repeating "but plants feel pain tho"

Froyn,

Stereotypical Vegan action all day long.

"Don't eat animals because they feel pain"
"Plants feel pain"
"Even if they do, we should still eat plants because we would eat less of them"

I'm not tryin to change your mind about being vegan. Just trying to get you to understand, Plants Feel Pain. We have studies and research that proves that plants feel emotions, react to individuals, communicate.

Step down off your soap box and acknowledge science.

NotAPenguin,

"Even if they do, we should still eat plants because we would eat less of them"

yes because the alternative of eating animals would kill both more plants and animals...?

Plants do not fucking feel pain and you know that, please stop pretending.

You don't go out of your way to not step on grass, you wouldn't save a plant instead of a dog from a burning house, you don't actually believe this, please stop, it's such a dumb argument.

Plants are biological machines without the mechanisms that give humans and other animals feelings, thought, experience and pain. There is no one there to experience the pain.

I can search for "do plants feel pain" and cherry pick results too;

https://sciendo.com/downloadpdf/journals/disp/12/56/article-p71.xml

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/S00709-020-01550-9

https://www.britannica.com/story/do-plants-feel-pain

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/do-plants-think-daniel-chamovitz/

Froyn,

Yet again, you throw bad faith after bad faith. Did you even read your cherry picked results?

https://sciendo.com/downloadpdf/journals/disp/12/56/article-p71.xml
"However, none of these provide evidence that plants have conscious mental states. Therefore, we conclude that there is no evidence that plants have minds in the sense relevant for morality."
Great, you found an paper looking to prove plants have no morals.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/S00709-020-01550-9
"We conclude that plants do not possess the molecular and structural machinery for pain generation. "
Flawed premise - Pain requires a nervous system according to the author

https://www.britannica.com/story/do-plants-feel-pain
"Given that plants do not have pain receptors, nerves, or a brain, they do not feel pain as we members of the animal kingdom understand it."
Article literally opens with the equivalent of "We don't know what we don't understand".

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/do-plants-think-daniel-chamovitz/
"Just as a plant can’t suffer subjective pain in the absence of a brain, I also don’t think that it thinks."
Followed in the next paragraph by: "Plants do not have neuron just as humans don’t have flowers!"

Again, we don't know what we don't understand. Every article states the same thing. They give conjecture about OTHER things, consciousness, neurons, hormone responses, etc. Each one leans into the premise that plants posses intelligence and all completely fall flat of stating definitively that plants cannot feel pain.

Plants feel pain and are on par with every other creature on this planet.

NotAPenguin,

Yes I did read them, you're cherry picking quotes to make it sounds like they say things they actually don't..

Plants feel pain and are on par with every other creature on this planet.

So you're gonna go vegan to harm the least amount of plants.. right?

Froyn,

"If no animals were harmed in the process I wouldn't mind but it's not something I really want all that much, I'm good with plant based stuff."

"Wait just a hot second there. Plants are living, breathing, creatures as well. The largest organism on the planet is the aspen tree."

These are the 2 comments that kicked all this off. I told a vegan that plants are living, breathing, creatures. At no time did I tell them THEIR lifestyle decision was incorrect or should change their eating habits. Only acknowledge that their basis for said eating habit is based on a fallacy. It's kind of like getting the right answer using the wrong formula. In the end, you still got the answer correct and full credit. That doesn't matter because if plants can feel pain, then apparently that would make them wrong?

Oh... Are you tied up around some kind of "do not harm" type thing, where if you acknowledge plants are alive and feel pain that would be a conflict?

I'm not going to make snarky comics and attempt to demean you. Hell, I even stood up for you in the other thread when an observer called you a "weirdo". You stated in the other thread: "Usually a discussion works by addressing the arguments the other person made." You can't have it both ways. You can't be the aggressor and the victim.

NotAPenguin,

...?

The whole time I've said that even if you believe plants feel pain then veganism is the answer because less plants harmed. You are the one who can't make any other argument than "plants feel pain" when that doesn't even contribute to the conversation in any way.

Why do you refuse to acknowledge this simple point?

You stated in the other thread: "Usually a discussion works by addressing the arguments the other person made." You can't have it both ways. You can't be the aggressor and the victim.

I stated that and I stand by it, you are continually refusing to actually engage in the arguments made.

Froyn,

Go back and read the other thread in chronological order.

NotAPenguin,

Engage in the arguments.

NotAPenguin,

This post doesn't seem to be federating back to dbzer0.com?

I only see it on the kbin version of the community and only kbin users have replied.

Other posts from kbin seem to be federating fine.

Let me know if you see this post on dbzer0.com

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