copgutz,

Incredible self-owns of history.

PlexSheep,

How dose inheritance work for trees that are people?

Telodzrum,

It generally doesn’t. You can create a trust for non-persons, but there are a bunch rules about hours it can be estudiante, how long it can exist, etc.

reverendsteveii,

when the people who make the rules say “Sorry, the rules are the rules, there’s nothing we can do” remember that they literally gave a tree human rights just because they felt like it.

DragonTypeWyvern,

In this case “they” is a fairly small city and its sense of tradition, so you will find “they” is actually “because the people wanted to.”

Akasazh,
@Akasazh@feddit.nl avatar

I do like the info, I’m failing to see the science aspect, and even the meme aspect of this post. But I’m in the ‘microblog doesn’t equal meme’ camp.

fossilesque,
@fossilesque@mander.xyz avatar

I’m in the Dawkins definition of meme camp. Memes are a funny thing, pun intended. :)

Akasazh,
@Akasazh@feddit.nl avatar

The ‘not science’ part is what irked me and I tagged that on for laughs and irrelevant discussion (as is the following I’m not mad, but like to dabble in pedantry today):

But on that part, in the old days the dawkinsian meme was misappropriated to denote a specific image format. Of course it is a Dawkinsian one, too as it is a vector of ideas.

Then it got misappropriated again as ‘any funny image on the internet’, including microblogs, like you seen to defend. You then use the argument that it’s a meme in the Dawkinsian manner (and you’d be technically correct).

But using that logic anything in any medium is a meme. I could upload a Gilbert Gottfried narration of Atlas Shrugged, a clay tablet or the transcripts of all of money pythons movies and sketches. That would all be Dawkinsian memes, and debatebly funny, however not the kind the people here are interested in seeing.

So in in the camp ‘a meme means an image with caption’ and not micro blogs, otherwise anything goes.

Thanks for entertaining my diatribe.

doubtingtammy,

I think conservation techniques can count as science. If it was a rare species, the science connection would be more obvious

Duamerthrax,

and everyone just went with it.

Technically, how all law really works at its core.

reverendsteveii,

Technically, how all law really works at its core.

Well, that and the threat of overwhelming unilateral violence

wizzor,

Someone thought me the concept of a legal fiction and I still think about it.

Land ownership, companies, nation states, citizenship: all exist because we agree that it does.

Jinx2756,

And money.

Gradually_Adjusting,
@Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world avatar

This crooked little vein of logic is what gave us sovereign citizens though, so be careful. Time may be an illusion and all, but schedules still exist.

idiomaddict,

I honestly agree with them about how dumb a lot of our legal system is. Their response is to try and make it dumber, though

shimdidly,

Imagine denying other living and breathing lifeforms agency to thrive and change lol lol lol

Like abortion? Thank goodness we repealed Roe Vs Wade

force,

Fetuses aren’t living and don’t breathe. They can’t live on their own and all their chemicals come from another human being (via the umbilical cord). This is opposed to the tree, which isn’t reliant on a certain being and instead gets its nutrients by itself through its roots and get oxygen for respiration & carbon dioxide for photosynthesis by itself, not an umbilical cord.

Trees are undeniably far more independent and living than a fetus. You’re kind of a weirdo for thinking some random small clump of cells is actually equivalent to a human child. I bet I could find basically the same thing in my back yard if I looked hard enough.

Vanix,

Please learn empathy.

JasonDJ,

Are they sure the original Tree that Owned Itself was the mother of the Son of the Tree that owned itself? Or did some whore squirrel just deposit the acorn near the stump?

Have they done a DNA test to confirm that the son has a legal stake in the property?

Now the son is young, dumb, and full of pollen. He’s gotta be spreading it as far as the wind will take it. What will happen when he inevitably dies and his estate has to be settled??

KillingTimeItself,

wait so, can i just deed the title of my land to my land upon my death? Is that something i can just fucking do?

Duamerthrax,

As long as enough of town decides to go along with it. If the town decides you were a coot and would rather have a gas station, the tree is fucked.

empireOfLove2,
@empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Trees now have more rights than women in the State of Texas

napoleonsdumbcousin,

The story of the Tree That Owns Itself is widely known and is almost always presented as fact. Only one person—the anonymous author of “Deeded to Itself”—has ever claimed to have seen Jackson’s deed to the tree. Most writers acknowledge that the deed is lost or no longer exists—if in fact it ever did exist. Such a deed would have no legal effect. Under common law, the recipient of a piece of property must have the legal capacity to receive it, and the property must be delivered to—and accepted by—the recipient.[6] Both are impossible for a tree to do, as it isn’t a legal person.

[…]

“However defective this title may be in law, the public recognized it.”[11] In that spirit, it is the stated position of the Athens-Clarke County Unified Government that the tree, in spite of the law, does indeed own itself.[12] It is the policy of the city of Athens to maintain it as a public street tree.[13]

[…]

Although the story of the Tree That Owns Itself is more legend than history, the tree has become, along with the University Arch and the Double-Barreled Cannon, one of the most recognized and well-loved symbols of Athens.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree_That_Owns_Itself

In reality, the tree is not protected by law, but by the will of the people. Kind of symbolic if you ask me.

fossilesque,
@fossilesque@mander.xyz avatar

We should really have representatives for non humans in government that are meant to function at an economic loss/investment as a way of giving back. Too often these departments get pushed to deliver ecosystem services. We need to learn to give back without it being transactional. Make gift culture great again. Elect a Lorax.

match,
@match@pawb.social avatar

Nothing is protected by law, everything protected is by the will of the people

Daft_ish,

What if the deed was the friends we made along the way?

lugal,

A tree owning itself and it’s a white oak tree, who would have guessed. You can be victim of specicism and still a white supremacist. Think about it.

fossilesque,
@fossilesque@mander.xyz avatar

Well, fuck.

Grellan,

Much worse. This tree was given freedom in the Southern US. Slavery was still ongoing. The University of Georgia leased out it’s slaves.

So this tree was more important than actual people.

Crikeste,

The trees owned the lands until the humans took it from them.

fossilesque,
@fossilesque@mander.xyz avatar

Nah, more like rented their place until they could give back to the earth with the ultimate sacrifice.

TexMexBazooka,

Isn’t that what we all do though?

einlander,

The ownership of land is an odd thing when you come to think of it. How deep, after all, can it go? If a person owns a piece of land, does he own it all the way down, in ever narrowing dimensions, till it meets all other pieces at the center of the earth? Or does ownership consist only of a thin crust under which the friendly worms have never heard of trespassing?

-Tuck Everlasting

rikudou,

Well, at least in my country, only what’s above the ground.

AllonzeeLV,
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