These people are the scum of the earth and fucking disgusting to look at too. And before someone gets my ass on body shaming, actually come down to Latin America and observe the kiddy diddlers. None of them are attractive.
All the attractive foreign men who can easily get any woman they want either hire expensive escorts or use Tinder.
The plan itself is a ridiculous one and only looks to be an iron fist approach to something that isn’t going to be solved through aggressive measures like this.
Trying to say that pedophiles are all explicitly unattractive is actually a terrible idea. Just like any other crime, body type has absolutely nothing to do with it. And pretending it does just makes it easier for attractive offenders to fly under the radar.
A term used to describe people who go to foreign countries to hook up, usually to fulfill a ethnicity kink and usually presented as those who can’t pick up local women so usually somewhere prostitution is not really frowned upon
It’s always you fuckin aussies pearl clutching over the word “cracker” please shut your convict settler ass up til you cede the Aboriginals their land back
what does shutting down sex work and bars do unless children are at bars & doing sex work??? classic carceral thinking, making whatever processes/institutions that enabled this more oblique and underground than transparent
At a press conference, Mayor Federico Gutiérrez said that he would be signing two decrees: one, prohibiting sex work in the area of Medellín for six months, and another, the enforcement of a 1 a.m. closing time for bars in the area for a month.
So now people will not be able to make a living because of this scumbag. Were I a sex-worker in the area, I’d be pretty pissed off. I don’t know a better way to address this, I’m just saying that this is why we can’t have nice things.
The man, who has been identified as [full name], was discovered thanks to an individual who alerted the police that he was with the two girls at the Gotham Hotel, which is located nearby Lleras Park. Although he was arrested and detained for 12 hours, authorities eventually released him because he had not been caught in the act of sexually abusing the girls. He was released on Friday, and boarded a flight to Fort Lauderdale, Florida. An image of his passport, including his data and photo, has been posted to social media after details of his case came to light.
Maybe giving out his full name without him being caught doing anything illegal nor contacting him to get his version of the story is a little fucked up, El pais
Do you mean known pedophile Timothy Alan Livingston of Fort Lauderdale, FL? The one depicted in this photo of a passport? Is that the guy we’re talking about here?
Further clarification: while he fled from Columbia to Fort Lauderdale, FL, the known pedophile Timothy Alan Livingston actually lives in Cleveland, Ohio.
I always find not travelling to regions known for sex tourism then being caught in a hotel room with 11 & 12 year old children really helps to maintain my reputation of not being a paedophile.
Yes. Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law is a fundamental principle for good reason. For example, we don’t actually know if anything of what we’ve read about him is actually true.
Not really comparable between the media feeding frenzy surrounding the McCann disappearance and a US sex tourist being caught in a hotel with 2 children.
He is not someone like the guy framed by all the Reddit imbecilic sluths after the Boston marathon bombings, nor is he like Christopher Jefferies, accused by the media of murdering one of his tenants, just because he’s a bit eccentric.
The guy was caught in a hotel room with children in an area known for sex tourism & he chose to bolt the country after his arrest.
It’s not like it’s an farcical comedy where a series of events transpired and his trousers fell down just as the police entered the room.
If you don’t want your name released after being arrested in a hotel with local children entirely unrelated to you, then maybe don’t invite local children up to your hotel and be getting arrested.
Like I said previously, I find it incredibly fucking easy not to be a child raping paedophile. It’s so easy that very little thought goes into it so I don’t have to deal with the consequences of even it being inferred despite no evidence of any crime having taken place.
So much so that I have zero fucking empathy for anyone that is.
This comment gives me hope. I hate all the reddit kneejerk reactionaries. Sure, he may be a scumbag, but perhaps we should make sure beyond a reasonable doubt first.
Travelling overseas to an area rife with sex trafficking and getting caught in a hotel with 2 children he has absolutely no relation to is to you not beyond a reasonable doubt?
As I’ve said elsewhere, consider that you’ve said nothing of any concern for those children, about the poverty they very likely live in, nor for the sex workers who are being the brunt of the fallout from this.
Your concern is all on the paedo sex tourist caught in a hotel with 2 children.
If I had to pick which person is exhibiting reddit-logo behavior in a discussion where one side is playing devil’s advocate for a dude who had 2 small children in his hotel room in an area known for kidnapping and child sex abuse, and another is saying the obvious despite not technically having strong evidence beyond the previously stated, my finger’s on the guy that doesn’t understand burden of proof.
The proof is the article, the burden of proof to provide a comparable case of someone who happened to be doing the most suspicious thing possible and was crucified by the media, yet turned out to be innocent, is on you.
There’s confusion. I’ve maintained that to me, the goalpost is conviction. I cited an article that’s less damning for sure but I still motivate my goalpost by principles, not examples. It’s simpler to rely on an already established baseline, which is the justice system’s convictions, and I’m okay if that means that sometimes, a very plausibly guilty man benefits from undeserved anonimity
But you know, every time I say that homeowners should indeed face jailtime for shooting a fleeting burglar in the back I face the same people with the same arguments
People like to be tough on crime, but I don’t like people who feel the need to do justice themselves
But you know, every time I say that homeowners should indeed face jailtime for shooting a fleeting burglar in the back I face the same people with the same arguments
Homeowners who murder people should be thrown in jail.
Pedophiles should be thrown in jail.
Very easy and simple to say.
I don’t understand how you gotta keep running defense for pedophiles.
I understand the burden of proof but the guy isn’t in a court.
He travelled to an area known for sex trafficking and was caught in a hotel room with 2 children he had no earthly connection to and was arrested by police. He decided to bolt the country knowing what he had done was wrong.
It amazing how you keep jumping to different arguments defending the guy when you realise just how fucking tenuous your point is.
Let’s examine something else here: nowhere have you shown one iota of concern for those children. Nothing about living in an area with obvious poverty that they are easily swept up by sex tourists and abused.
Not anything for the sex workers who are suffering the brunt of the fallout from this with the police chief using it to beat them with.
You’re only concern is for an American, very likely white collar worker who has travelled overseas to an area known for sex trafficking and has been caught in a hotel with two children.
Y’know, it’s fucking crazy how an innocent Black man’ll get slabbed out by pigs and scores of hordes upon hordes of redditor crackers will all in unison “well, he must’ve done something to deserve it”, “he was no angel”, “he had a drug charge 15 years ago so that makes him free game to outright murder in the street” but as soon as it’s a cracker pedophile so much as getting their name publicized, y’all out here “pwease no lynch mob guise 😢😢😢😢”.
Do you realize how certain one has to be to accuse a person of such a crime?
Would you want to live in a world where 1 of 100 considered guilty is innocent?
Would you feel the same way if you’d be that?
Do you realize how probabilities work?
If something has a 1 in a 1000 probability, then from time to time it happens.
And then the final question - do you consider it too much of a bother to go through investigative process with civilized legal proceedings to confirm what is true and reduce the probability of a mistake?
Caught it the act? Yeah post his shit, hell string him up. That’s just like a normal way to treat pedophiles. Not caught in the act, yeah thats where it becomes questionable, even if someone is like 90% sure thats what happened, what about the small chance hes innocent. Due process for sure. But definitely dont let him go. The fact they let him off seems questionable, did they really know? Or does someone want to come down hard on sex workers and used some random dude for this.
Maybe giving out his full name without him being caught doing anything illegal nor contacting him to get his version of the story is a little fucked up
No, he was caught in a hotel room with a 12 year old and 13 year old girl. I hope that, whatever you’re imagining might happen to him as a result of this, something twice as bad happens to him every day for the rest of his (hopefully short) life
People who use arch don’t come here they roll their own instance
Iusearch.fyi is speedy and blocks no other instance except the pedo ones so it’s the best if you want a self-defined experience on the fediverse without rolling your own lemmy docker
Of course, it’s an instance filled with far left communists who regularly discuss communism and mods ban people who comment liberal and reactionary views
He took two 12- and 13-year-old girls into his hotel room located in an area known for sex tourism so he could talk with them about how dangerous it is to go into hotel rooms with strangers, he totally wasn’t going to do anything else, he swears.
The events began on the night of March 27th at around nine o’clock, when Livingston attempted to enter his room at the Gotham City Hotel in Medellin with what appeared to be two underage girls. A hotel staff member prevented their entry, so Livingston and the girls left the hotel located in the famous ‘El Poblado’ district.
Hours later, around four o’clock in the morning on March 28th, with no security checks at the establishment’s entrance, the American managed to enter his room with two different underage girls aged 12 and 13, as evidenced by security camera footage.
Following an anonymous call to the national police, the authorities arrived at the hotel and inspected the premises but found no evidence of the accused touching the minors, and both girls denied being touched. The 36-year-old suspect was detained for 12 hours at a Protection Transfer Center (CTP) but was released hours later, allowing him to return to his country on Monday, March 29th. The girls were seen by security cameras leaving the hotel calmly, seemingly counting several Colombian 50,000-peso bills.
Did someone frame him into twice bringing underaged girls to his hotel room in an area known for sex trafficking, including putting used condoms in his wastebasket? Or do you think it’s the far simpler explanation that he is a pedophile who was caught in the act?
You do not, in fact, need to run defense for pedophiles.
I don’t think we have, because if you did, you would have read that Columbia has issued an arrest warrant for this man. So no, it is not mob justice when people spread the name of the pedophile Timothy Alan Livingston of Cleveland, Ohio, who has a Colombian arrest warrant issued for him because he, over the course of one night, attempted to bring at least four different underage girls into his hotel room in an attempt to have sex with them.
You keep defending this pedophile and it’s creepy as fuck. Reconsider the decisions you’ve made that have brought you to this point in your life.
The arrest warrant and the 2 additional children were not in the original article
Honestly if there’s an arrest warrant and the dude fled it gets harder to defend a burden of proof that’s hanging on a system that he manages to evade, though we’ve seen people genuinely just going back home and getting a warrant after but let’s put that aside.
On one hand i appreciate the deterrent that publishing his name is to other sex tourists, but on the other if he gets beaten to death because of it, or worse, some guy with the same name - I’m not fond of that either.
All that while honestly there’s already systems in place for fleeting criminals, not sure there’s much benefits feeding his real name to the mob in a very well referenced newspaper.
nope, that’s called due process under the rule of law. Innocent until proven guilty. His guilt doesn’t seem to have been established beyond reasonable doubt, if I understand correctly.
Now, if the police had turned up damning evidence, he would not have been sent home, but sentenced. And hopefully been put in jail for a very long time.
This is just political theater to make it seem like the Governor is doing something. Colombia, and much of Latin America, has a much larger issue being extremely wealthy countries with vastly poor populations.
These countries are being kept this way purposely so that they can be exploited by much wealthier nations(US, Spain, France, Netherlands, India). This breeds a culture of self regulation and minimal government intervention, riddled with corruption and a populace left to their own devices.
Prostitution in the touristic areas hasn’t been stopped at all, just pushed a little underground while the cops look the other way, because they are also customers.
Fixing this problem requires something that won’t occur in our lifetimes. Which is unfortunate as Colombia is one of the most beautiful and magical places on earth. Antioquia specifically is such an amazing place and the Paisa people are so unique and kind. Really beautiful when isolated cultures can survive this long.
The Paisa people were isolated in the Andes mountains for a long time as it was difficult for the Spanish to access when it was part of Gran Colombia. The culture around Medellin and the coffee triangle is different the rest of country and kind of similar to the Southern hospitality in the US. Everyone is so willing to talk to you and invite you to gatherings even if you’re a stranger.
They are no longer isolated but their culture persists. I just hope all the tourism doesn’t spoil it.
I would not call a region with a capital city that was founded in the 16 hundreds isolated.
Colombia, and the region you refer to, is mostly mestizo, a mix of indigenous and Spanish descendents. Which makes me think we are differing in which way to take isolation.
Isolation from the Spanish during the period of la Gran Colombia is another head scratcher. What do you mean?
There are communities that were long isolated and so, preserved (Palenques and tribes in the Amazon are clear examples).
Is the culture from Antioquia different from the country? Partially, yes, as any region in a big, diverse country is. Were they isolated? I would say no.
I would not call a region with a capital city that was founded in the 16 hundreds isolated.
Are you talking about the current capital of Medellin (founded 1717) or the original capital Santa Fe de Antioquia (founded 1541). Santa Fe sits on the Cauca river which was the only way the Spanish were able to make it that far into the mountains. It would take them months to travel to places like Medellin, which is why it was isolated.
Mestizo is just the spanish word for mixed person and fits all of Latin America as there are very few indigenous groups left.
I am using isolation in the standard meaning. To mean separated. I do not mean uncontacted. Sure uncontacted tribes are isolated, but so where the Paisas. What you may be missing is people didn’t just take a day trip into this region. The Spanish empire sent groups of people with the wealth and resources of a nation state, forcibly using indigenous slave labor to travel deep into the Andes. Once they arrived, it was rare that people left.
The only way to get close was to use the rivers with human powered boats. Then you had to use established trails or cut through extremely dense dangerous forest. This kind of work took years to accomplish and was the result of generations of people slowly building up a colonized society at the will of the Spanish Monarchy. This is why most of the larger towns and cities in south weren’t established until the 19th century.
I was in Medellin and Jericó two weeks ago. The isolation is talked about in the museums and is well established fact. I just mean separated not unreachable.
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