Nonameuser678,
@Nonameuser678@aussie.zone avatar

Cool. Now stfu and advocate for the removal of mutual obligations. Anything less than that and you’re still a scab and class traitor. This issue is actually surprisingly simple, no mutual obligations = no tax payer money going to welfare frauds (JSP system). Then we can start discussing how to reform employment support and what that would look like. But any system that’s underpinned by mutual obligations will be deeply flawed.

Whirlybird,

Shut it all down and do a UBI. Problem solved.

ShimmeringKoi,
@ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net avatar

I feel like someone once wrote between two and three volumes of a book about this

CaptKoala,

Water is wet, more news at 11.

rainynight65, (edited )

Privatisation is the result of capitalists looking at everything and asking themselves “how could someone profit from this”? It’s not about running services more cost-effectively or making things easier on clients - it’s about filtering taxpayer money into private pockets.

Private companies aren’t naturally more efficient or less wasteful than government-owned entities - the streams of taxpayer money going to big banks, resource companies and others as subsidies should disabuse anyone of that notion. And arguably a large part of perceived government ‘inefficiency’ is due to the fact that they contract government projects out to private companies which then keep extracting money via “cost blowouts” and delays.

Hegar,
Hegar avatar

Privatisation is the result of capitalists looking at everything and asking themselves “how could someone profit from this”?

Most privatized assets are already very profitable - the rich wouldn't be trying to take it if it wasn't valuable. Balance sheet aside, public assets profit society as a whole.

I would say privatisation is the rich asking how fewer people could profit this.

rainynight65,

This isn’t about assets though - it’s about government services. Things that aren’t designed to be profitable, that naturally will cost money to operate while not generally making money. By privatising these, they are now entities that have to make a profit, and that generally happens by extracting taxpayer money, as well as cutting cost, by reducing staff, service levels, equipment et al. That doesn’t make it more efficient - just more painful to use for clients. $9.5bn per year? Someone’s laughing all the way to the bank.

trk,
@trk@aussie.zone avatar

Literally no government service has ever run better once privatised. It’s always ended up more expensive and less effective. I have no idea why the idea that privatising services is a solution to anything except unsatisfied greed.

Prove me wrong with just one example.

fine_sandy_bottom,

Privatised employment services are a shining example of a privatised service that “runs better”.

It feathers the nest of capitalists with premium, predictable, inexhaustible government money.

It discourages legitimate claimants from seeking social security.

It perpetuates the notion that being unemployed and poor is the fault of the incurable laziness of the unemployed and poor.

Of course, it doesn’t actually reduce unemployment or lift people out of generational poverty, but the only way to do that is to create jobs.

usernamesaredifficul,

privatising a public service is basically just adding a middle man skimming off the top

Nonameuser678,
@Nonameuser678@aussie.zone avatar

Capitalist governments be like look how good we are at spending money efficiently. Meanwhile, burns cash on useless middle men.

Nath,
@Nath@aussie.zone avatar

Commonwealth Bank isn’t really any different. Not better, not worse.

There was a good period there where Qantas was consistently getting better and cheaper than it was under public ownership. It’s gone downhill in the last decade, though.

Privatising the Post Offices has led to wildly variable experiences, some post offices are far worse, but if you have a good franchisee, some of them are much better.

I’m still dirty about privatising Medibank, and it cost the Libs 15 years in opposition. But today’s Medibank competes well in the private health sector.

Telstra … nah, just kidding. But it is getting better than it has been.

Maybe that’s the secret - it takes 20+ years for something privatised to get better? These examples have all been private since last century.

trk,
@trk@aussie.zone avatar

So basically I’m still right.

Nath,
@Nath@aussie.zone avatar

You need to factor in what privatising these things paid for as well. I don’t remember about any of my examples, but the WA government privatising elements of the land register and ports in the last few years has allowed it to fund Metronet.

Metronet is a long term major project that will help the population for decades.

Ilandar,

Commonwealth Bank isn’t really any different. Not better, not worse.

Really…?

Nonameuser678,
@Nonameuser678@aussie.zone avatar

Take their current profits and imagine they were going to government income instead.

Doesn’t matter if it works better or worse (who gets to determine this and by what measure?), it’s a matter of who benefits from ownership.

WendyMsGator,

@Nath @trk

The privatised Commonwealth Employment Service will never get better. The services offered by the private sector for job placement are utterly dismal. Personal experience via my then 55 yo partner being laid off from the mines up in Muswellbrook.

Every job he got after that, casual or permanent, were positions that I hunted down. They interviewed him once, right at the start, and not a single offer came his way from them in the ensuing 4 years that he worked or looked for work.

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