Lemmy.world Hexbear Statement

Update:
The comments from this post will not be removed as to preserve the discussion around the announcement. Any continued discussions outside of this thread that violate server rules will be removed. We feel that everyone that has an opinion, and wanted to vent, has been heard.

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Original post:
Yesterday, we received information about the planned federation by Hexbear. The announcement thread can be found here: www.hexbear.net/post/280770. After reviewing the thread and the comments, it became evident that allowing Hexbear to federate would violate our rules.

Our code of conduct and server rules can be found here.

The announcement included several concerning statements, as highlighted below:

  • “Please try to keep the dirtbag lib-dunking to hexbear itself. Do not follow the Chapo Rules of Posting, instead try to engage utilizing informed rhetoric with sources to dismantle western propaganda. Posting the western atrocity propaganda and pig poop balls is hilarious but will pretty quickly get you banned and if enough of us do it defederated.”
  • “The West’s role in the world, through organizations such as NATO, the IMF, and the World Bank - among many others - are deeply harmful to the billions of people living both inside and outside of their imperial core.”
  • “These organizations constitute the modern imperial order, with the United States at its heart - we are not fooled by the term “rules-based international order.” It is in the Left’s interest for these organizations to be demolished. When and how this will occur, and what precisely comes after, is the cause of great debate and discussion on this site, but it is necessary for a better world.”

The rhetoric and goal of Hexbar are clear based on their announcement: to “dismantle western propaganda” and "demolish organizations such as NATO” shows that Hexbar has no intention of "respecting the rules of the community instance in which they are posting/commenting.” It’s to push their beliefs and ideology.

In addition, several comments from a Hexbear admin, demonstrate that instance rules will not be respected.

Here are some examples:

“I can assure you there will be no lemmygrad brigades, that energy would be better funneled into the current war against liberalism on the wider fediverse.”

“All loyal, honest, active and upright Communists must unite to oppose the liberal tendencies shown by certain people among us, and set them on the right path. This is one of the tasks on our ideological front.”

Overall community comments:

To clarify, for those who have inquired about why Hexbear versus Lemmygrad, it should be noted that we are currently exploring the possibility of defederating from Lemmygrad as well based on similar comments Hexbear has made.

Defederation should only be considered as a last resort. However, based on their comments and behavior, no positive outcomes can be expected.

We made the decision to preemptively defederate from Hexbear for these reasons. While we understand that not everyone may agree with our decision, we believe it is important to prioritize the best interests of our community.

ssm,

defederate from lemmygrad next please 💓 💕 💖 💗 💞

XiaoHei,

yes please also lemmy.ml their devs are woke and dont stop tankies from spreading misinformation on their instance

thoro,

L.

And that’s why I’m glad my main accounts are not on world, which has just been a different flavored, smaller Reddit since its inception.

XiaoHei,

of course someone on the woke instance lemmy.ml would say that let us have our free speech zone tankies have already infested reddit, most lemmy instances, and facebook

ulu_mulu,
@ulu_mulu@lemmy.world avatar

I don’t have any idea of who they are, but I don’t get it: we’re not preemptively defederating from Meta because it would be closed minded to do so (as per your admin decision), while Meta bad behavior is well documented (they’ve been fined by EU several times already), and we want to preemptively defederate from these people without even knowing how they will actually behave? Why? Shouldn’t they be “innocent until proven guilty”?

XiaoHei,

no dont let tankies in the door they will take it off and let more woke propragandists in

wahming,

Tankies = woke? Huh?

Cornelius_Wangenheim,

It’s the same group of people who got banned from reddit for being obnoxious tankies. They’re not an unknown quantity. Go search Ukraine on their instance and look at all the vile shit they post.

curryandbeans,

Good shit admins. Tankies gonna tankie, but I’m glad they aren’t going to tankie here.

XiaoHei,

thanks for standing up against the woke instances!

Deftdrummer,

Right, so because a community has different views than the leftists you all think it’s your place to “protect” users preemptively without discussion or reason, basically fucking worse than Reddit?

You’d better think long and hard on that.

XiaoHei,

no need to think about preventing the woke tankies from lemmy.world

MolochAlter,

You gonna have that same energy when this conversation inevitably happens about an openly right wing fascist instance? (As opposed to left wing fascist, or Stalinist if you will)

Oh wait those get defederated immediately and IIRC are straight up against the ToS of the platform, I wonder why.

amcjv12, (edited )

This is too quick of a movement towards defederation. Except in the most extreme of circumstances, it should be up to individual users whether they want to engage with other communities, and users can always block communities they find objectionable. It is not in the best interest of users to treat them as being incapable of making their own reasoned decisions about this kind of thing.

Fortunately, thanks to the wonders of the fediverse, I can just make a new account on a different instance and start engaging with Lemmy that way. Anyone have any recommendations on alternatives to lemmy.world?

XiaoHei,

bye tankie

rist097,

You guys really just want people who think the same way as you on your instance. You should clearly state that instead of letting people waste their time here.

XiaoHei,

wrong it is the wokies that are trying to force their way of thinking on everyone else they have all the other social media places good on the admins for standing up for free speech soon it will be lemmy.world and X

rist097,

I have no idea who are wokies. How exactly are admins standing for free speech when they are defederating, banning religious communities or anyone who disagrees with them.

XiaoHei,

tankies + woke = wokies they are professional spreaders of the woke mind virus organized in tankie bunkers like hexbear

rist097,

You speak a different language. I dont follow these terms

regalia,

Oooh let the spicy fedi instance drama begin. The best part of decentralization!

XiaoHei,

this is too spicy for the tankies they are in this post in a big group

regalia,

I mean you only become a tankie if you’re perpetually online

Snowpix,
@Snowpix@lemmy.ca avatar

And are very out of touch with reality.

XiaoHei,

that is why they are dangerous to free speech zones like lemmy.world

deweydecibel,

Curious to me how when I look at this post on other instances, other comments seem to be on top. Not sure if that’s a side effect of the DDOS shit or if it’s a really great example of the version of Lemmy you see from one instance is different than you see from another.

XiaoHei,

woke lemmies dev have put more tankie code in that we realized

A_Very_Big_Fan,

Cringe

XiaoHei,

another tankie blocked

A_Very_Big_Fan,

🤓

letsgocrazy,

Is it not possible we just have a social media platform where we talk abouts hobbies and computers and not evangelise our political beliefs?

XiaoHei,

sadly the woke lemmy instances are preventing this from happening if the admins block lemmygrad and lemmy we can have a free-speech place to talk about these things

planish,

That is itself a political belief, though. You cannot in fact have any sort of community without answering political questions about how that community should work. You could say that no external political questions should be discussed in the community, but:

  1. Enforcing that could cast a bigger shadow over the community than the political arguments did.
  2. It amounts to saying that the external political situation is acceptable, or at least relatively safe to ignore.
MolochAlter,

Some people are joyless (sometimes literal) communists, who need to spread their misery to others.

I’m honestly mostly just sorry for them as human beings, but I do loathe their entire worldview so it’s more of a “sad, but it’s mostly on you, really” kind of sorry.

The kind of sorry you feel for someone who curses being an alcoholic while handing their loyalty card to the liquor store clerk.

In my experience, healthy communities reject these losers and stay more or less sane, provided they don’t stumble into positions of authority. If they do they’ll inevitably abuse them until the community is just another machine to lure in more people to turn into joyless brainrotted politics obsessed extremists.

Not unlike viruses taking over cells, the community is dead when that happens.

Thankfully, us people with things to live for almost always outnumber them, just force them out of your spaces when you spot them.

yuumei,

This is really worrying. De-federating should be the last resort, I’m leaving

XiaoHei,

bye tankie

regalia,

lemm.ee has your back. They take a minimum defederation stance unless it’s like a disgusting troll instance you know.

Snowpix,
@Snowpix@lemmy.ca avatar

Bye Felicia.

masterairmagic,

I left today. My only regret is that I donated to these losers.

Nastybutler,

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/dc587db5-781b-422c-8b0c-ca463456c551.mp4

BarrelAgedBoredom,

Gotta say, pre-emptive defederation seems like a bit of an over reaction. There’s plenty of leftists in other instances, not just hexbear and lemmygrad. Hell, I’m an anarchist that regularly comments on political/social threads in this instance, it doesn’t seem to be an issue. Lemmy in general is pretty obviously far left leaning. I don’t see the harm in federating with hexbear, unless they show themselves to be actively harassing or trolling. But you’d have to federate first to find out if they will

XiaoHei,

yet another woke tankie trying to act as if they are a good faith user when the reality is they are a trickster who only goal is to spread propraganda

BarrelAgedBoredom,

You’ve been all over this thread calling people woke, globalist tankies. And a quick glance at your profile history shows that the only one here that has trouble operating in good faith is you. I’d add more but you’re clearly not worth the time. Go fuck yourself, bye

XiaoHei,

another tankie blocked

Neopergoss,

Watch out or these reactionary nutjobs will ban you

MolochAlter,

That’s cause that’s not the problem.

A variety of opinions is great, an army of zealots coming in to shit up the place but assuredly not tolerating the same behaviour towards them? Nope.

This is simply an attitude issue, not a political issue, and we wouldn’t even be discussing this if the instance were far right instead of far left, despite stalinists and fascists being functionally identical.

BarrelAgedBoredom,

Look at my comment thread. I have a guy calling me a woke tankie for a simple disagreement. The shit slinging is already present in and among lemmy.world users. Having (potentially) more shit slinging is not going to change much. I’ve browsed hexbear a handful of times and was looking forward to their federation. By and large, conversation on there is pleasant to neutral. It’s a bit cringe at times and occasionally hostile to non-leftists. You see the same from the right and centrists as well. That’s just how online political discourse goes. If anything, I’d say the online right is a lot more hostile, bigoted and prone to harassment than the left. But I could be biased.

The way I see it, the admins are basically saying that political arguments are fine among our users and those from other instances, just not hexbear and lemmygrad. Which is pretty silly and a tad dramatic

MolochAlter,

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    BarrelAgedBoredom,

    Fair enough! For what it’s worth I think the admins statement was self righteous and pretty fucking stupid as well. But it is what it is, communities are more than their admins and I think they’d make a good addition to Lemmy. And at the end of the day, there’s nothing stopping me from making a hexbear account or one on an instance that federates with them

    dimspace,

    honestly, when reading comments like this i think maybe pre-emptive is a good idea.

    Lemmyworld is forever going to be referred to as the instance full of pedos, transphobes and fascists that tried its hardest not to defederate an explicitly nazi instance while pulling this shit with a soft dirtbag left instance that spawned from the chapo podcast of all things.

    Like, what a fucking reputation to give yourselves so early on.

    www.hexbear.net/comment/3655725

    and most of the comments are in that vein

    odbol,

    I have no idea who Hexbear is, but it’s well documented how th IMF and World Bank work to endebt developing countries to the US’s corporate rule and then steal all their resources… Are we… Not allowed to talk about that here?

    XiaoHei,

    wrong that is typical tankie talking points the IMF and World Bank are bastions of freedom like lemmy.world there are plenty of woke instances to choose from go there

    ClamDrinker,

    Of course you are. There’s nothing wrong with defending your beliefs, or advocating for them in the right context. Especially if they have sound arguments to back them up. (Also, I don’t see any indication why that wouldn’t be allowed based on this post, or the rules of conduct)

    But pushing your beliefs is different. It’s about foregoing actually convincing people and instead using underhanded tactics such as propaganda, brigading, or botting to make an opinion seem more sound than it really is. (Not saying your opinion necessarily is, by the way.)

    MachineTeaching,

    You mean the conspiracy theory that somehow the World Bank isn’t there to do it’s real job, provide loans to poor countries to aid their development, but instead part of some grand scheme to rob poor countries of their resources?

    Because what you claim to be well documented isn’t actually objective fact. It’s more construing mistakes these institutions definitely did make to be something they very much aren’t.

    mycorrhiza,

    “We’ll give you this money if you cut all your social safety nets, depress wages, and hand your resources over to foreign companies.”

    “Fuck, who could have predicted that our stipulations would stunt your economy and impoverish your workers? Welp… guess you’ll have to stay poor and keep offering cheap sweatshop labor so we can sell the products at 10x the price overseas. Oh woe is us! Next time, we’d better do the exact same thing over again, proving that we learned from our innocent mistake!”

    I’m heading out to meet friends. Don’t take my silence for defeat lol. Hopefully someone picks this up where I leave off.

    raspberriesareyummy,

    I would like to second this. The OP reeks of opinionated bullshit. Being against NATO and a western hegemony in the world is absolutely a legitimate political opinion, whether you agree with it or not.

    XiaoHei,

    a legtimate tankie opinion only broke wokeists are against NATO

    masterairmagic,

    go away troll.

    XiaoHei,

    another tankie blocked

    Aikawa, (edited )

    It’s quite funny to see your well-adjusted self going around calling others “woke tankies” when I still remember you defending lemmygrad not so long ago, and being a CPC shill…

    Laffytaffer,

    Try not to feed the trolls

    Aikawa,

    That wasn’t my intent; I wanted to point for bystanders that this person’s speech was not so long ago the opposite of what they spout now, further signaling them as the troll they are.

    OurToothbrush,

    Theyre doing a pretty obvious bit and CPC or Communist Party of China doesn’t have the racist baggage the use of CCP does.

    Aikawa,

    Noted, I’ll edit my comment. English isn’t my first language, I used this colloquial term without thinking much about it.

    GuyDudeman,
    @GuyDudeman@lemmy.world avatar

    Ahhh… And so the reddit bullshit begins on Lemmy. When will everyone just agree not to be dicks to each other?

    Cabrio,

    When people stop being stupid morons that inflict their idiocy on the world like a miasma of ignorance. So, never.

    GuyDudeman,
    @GuyDudeman@lemmy.world avatar

    Good to know.

    Aikawa,

    Must I understand that you think I’m a dick for pointing out the hypocrisy of someone going around insulting people?

    GuyDudeman,
    @GuyDudeman@lemmy.world avatar

    We’re all being dicks.

    ClamDrinker,

    The opinion of Hexbear doesn’t seem to be the problem, and because of certain ideological overlap to users here that should be quite obvious in my opinion. You seem to have focused on the wrong part of the OP.

    The problem is that they are presenting themselves as an ideological army. And especially that the admins of Hexbear seem to support this position, rather than it just being some rogue users.

    Imagine if a Lemmy instance opened up for a specific religion and their whole point was to inject themselves into as many discussions as possible to push information favorable to their religion. The problem isn’t that they believe in their religion, or even that they want to make the best case possible for it. It’s the fact that they are trying to wield open discussions as a sword to convert people regardless of relevance or appropriateness.

    Ignacio,

    As a leftist can I just say how cringe it is to treat “fighting liberalism on the fediverse” like it’s activism? Go outside.

    XiaoHei,

    “as a tankie” fixed that for you now get off the instance and go back to hexbear

    Ignacio,

    You’re just throwing around insults because you don’t know what you’re talking about. Very childish.

    XiaoHei,

    wrong i know exactly what i am talking about same as the admins there is a clear and present danger from the woke instances on lemmy

    • hexbear (tankie)
    • lemmy (woke)
    • lemmygrad (tankie)

    those three are the oldest lemmy instances and coordinate their tankie bunkers to ensure there is contant woke comments in every post unless they are BLOCKED … like you are now BLOCKED because you are a tankie

    bye

    regalia,

    This has that fox news energy of “everything I don’t like is socialism and communism!”

    XiaoHei,

    oh wow another wokie cannot say i am suprised

    regalia,

    Did u just call me a Chewbacca

    planish,

    This is what is known as the “Chewbacca Offense”

    XiaoHei,

    ???

    regalia,

    ur uncultured brother

    PorkrollPosadist, (edited )

    Liberalism has an actual definition, and it is not the colloquial definition used in mass-media to refer to “the left half of what is acceptable.”

    Liberalism is an idealist (another word which has a very specific definition) political philosophy which champions private property, constitutionalism, republicanism, rule of law, and free trade. It has a philosophical canon, flowing through writers like Locke, Montesquieu, Mirabeau, Rousseau, Paine, etc. Further economic works, like Smith’s “Wealth of Nations,” are built on this philosophical underpinning.

    Marxists are materialists. This is in contrast with the idealism of Liberals. While Liberals believe ideas are the force which drives change in the material world, Marxists understand that ideas are just a reflection of the material conditions they emerge from.

    Liberals find themselves banging their heads against the walls of the institutions time and time again, because from their perspective, these institutions are just a reflection of ideas, and as long as the justification for an institution on paper is sound, there is no reason to think it cannot be reformed. An institution like the US Congress, or the Executive Branch is never at fault. It is simply a good institution simply being run by bad people. Marxists (and Anarchists) reject this quite simply, by looking at the material incentives involved, and the long ghastly history surrounding these institutions.

    “Combating liberalism” does not mean being a piece of shit to anybody to the right of Bernie Sanders or Jeromy Corbin. There is a genuine struggle to ensure the new crop of social media platforms don’t simply end up defending the legitimacy of the established institutions at the expense of genuine radicals who find themselves at odds with the actual longstanding policy and practices of these institutions. To avoid situations like when mastodon.lol banned CODEPINK, a prominent anti-war organization, for being “Tankies.” This is Liberalism, and it should be combated.

    bennieandthez,
    @bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml avatar

    least studied marxist

    SmoothIsFast,

    Liberalism: a political and social philosophy that promotes individual rights, civil liberties, democracy, and free enterprise.

    I think you are conflating the free enterprise to mean endorsement of late stage capitalism instead of a system of actual market competition. Please don’t base this on the complete market capture demonstrated in the US currently. If anything the US is more like an authoritarian oligarchy with the illusion of democracy peddled through conflicting culture wars in the media. While there are great ideologies in play in something like socialism the reality is unless you could end the idea of money tomorrow their will always be inducements and incentives to hoard and leverage outsized resources outside of which ever community produced them in the first place. It’s why US resource capture on smaller nations works effectively, and it’s why Russian oligarchs have most of their wealth outside of Russia, etc.

    Marxists are materialists. This is in contrast with the idealism of Liberals. While Liberals believe ideas are the force which drives change in the material world, Marxists understand that ideas are just a reflection of the material conditions they emerge from.

    Liberal vs Marxist has nothing to do with being a materialist or idealist, and trying to conflate them like they are is very disingenuous and misleading. Not to mention that is not what a materialist even is. A materialist is someone who values possessions for comfort, think a hyper consumer, where as an idealist is routed in ideals, like equality for all, regardless of the difficulties in trying to accomplish such a task. If anything by your definitions a Marxist would be an idealist fueled by an ideal (communism) , and a liberal would be someone on either side as they value personal freedoms and ones ability to choose either ideology.

    Either you are trying to be intentionally misleading or you need to take a step back from your own propaganda as you are parroting off information that is completely ill informed at best or intentionally misleading at worst. There are definitely issues in US institutions, but a liberal is not going to defend the shortcomings, they would be proposing ranked choice voting, imposing age limits, redefining our checks and balances, and making sure these systems are inherently democratic. We don’t even have a true left in the US, we have a moderate center and then people like Bernie who are just barely into the left political territory in the global scale of things. A conservative would be someone who values conserving existing systems and institutions or leaving them as initially intended as they aim to conserve status quo. Seriously take a step back my friend, seems like you have been lost in an echo chamber for a while.

    Puzzle_Sluts_4Ever,

    Tankies gonna tanky.

    I am a Liberal with very leftist leanings (a lot of online quizzes call me “progressive left” but I think that is mostly because of one or two issues that skew the quiz). Liberals… we suck. We are inherently a position of compromise and need constant pushback to ensure we keep what is important in mind while still making sure we get anything at all.

    But, the thing with tankies is that they focus all of their hatred on Liberals. Often to the point of outright defending fascism so long as it is vaguely “communist”. There are a lot of theories as to why (not like certain governments aren’t known for running psyops to co-opt movements…) but it results in pretty much destroying all discussion and turning what remains of said discourse into a laughing stock.

    MolochAlter,

    Tankies are just fascists with a different coat of paint. Everything about their ideology and policy positions would be endorsed by Mussolini if you dressed it up in sorelian terminology and viceversa.

    Puzzle_Sluts_4Ever, (edited )

    As an end result? Yeah.

    But, mostly, I think they are just ignorant. They know that Capitalism and The West is not working. They hear very persuasive people who “Read Literature” who are spewing aphorisms and concepts that sound really good. But they don’t read it themselves. So they see the nice things Chairman Mao said and… not the horrific things Mao said and did and all the suffering it caused. We have less of that with Stalin (because the US cared about Russia before 2010 or so) , but still a lot.

    And it is a self perpetuating cycle. Because people LOVE to talk about how they read up on their theory and literature. But, just like with right wing christians, “read(ing) up” often means “reading a facebook post”. Well, reddit posts are more common for left wing, but same idea. And their preachers similarly ignore aspects.

    We more or less saw the exact same thing with libertarianism in the 90s. It is well documented, but the 80s and 90s resulted in media being INFESTED with libertarian talking points and figureheads and ideology. And a lot of people decided “I like personal freedom. I am a Libertarian!”. And, over the 00s, they pretty much became bog standard republicans because they were indoctrinated into all the hate and bigotry while being taught “Stupid liberals are going to steal your tax money and give it to Others”

    And much like with the average Tankie having no idea about just how hellish the Soviet Union and… basically every single communist regime actually was. Most Libertarians won’t even know Grafton (briefly) existed or even think about things like “So how do orphanages work?”

    It sucks because I think Leftist ideology is objectively good. It is about egalitarianism and social justice (even if not all Leftists accept that…). But it is the deranged tankies who scream the loudest and make people think everyone wants to live in a house run by Mao and Stalin.

    redtea,

    That’s partly because ‘tankies’ read theory. Liberal theory, Marxist theory, all of it that they can get their hands on. According to both liberal and Marxist theory, liberalism is the main ideology of capitalism. When ‘tankies’ oppose ‘liberals’, they are talking about the ‘progressive’ left of the Anlgo-European empire and what that ‘left’ calls ‘conservatives’. So if conservatives laugh when ‘tankies’ make fun of liberals, the joke’s on them because the ‘tankie’ means them, too.

    There is absolutely no defence of fascism from ‘tankies’. That term usually refers to Marxist-Leninists, who praise Stalin and Mao for their stances against fascism, colonialism, and imperialism. If nothing else (and there is a lot ‘else’), anti-fascism is a central tenet of ‘tankie’ ideology and practice. Anti-fascism is/was a core tenet of all Marxist parties. If you think that a ‘tankie’ is ‘defending fascism’, you have misunderstood what they are saying and/or have inferred something from their words that they did not intend. Horseshoe theory is an intellectually bankrupt ‘theory’.

    You are right about this:

    We are inherently a position of compromise[.]

    As Mao said:

    … liberalism rejects ideological struggle and stands for unprincipled peace, thus giving rise to a decadent, Philistine attitude and bringing about political degeneration[.]

    This and the other types of liberalism are often what ‘tankies’ are challenging when they criticise ‘liberals’—not what counts as ‘liberal’ in the extremely narrow US electoral politics sense of the term.

    Puzzle_Sluts_4Ever, (edited )

    Leftists are not tankies. If all you are doing is criticizing liberal institutions and capitalism, you are… a leftist.

    If you are going above and beyond to treat “liberalism” as the greatest threat to humanity while simultaneously ignoring, or outright endorsing, the actions of demonstrably horrifying “communist” regimes? You are a tankie and you are a problem and… kind of a fascist. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie is a good breakdown

    Being a Lefitst or even an outright worshipper of Marxism-Leninism is not a bad thing (I would argue being a Leftist is an objectively good thing since that tends to be very heavily based on social justice and egalitarianism). But a refusal to acknowledge where past efforts went wrong (if only to learn from them) and an active defense of where it went wrong is bad.

    And while you can have one without the other, saying nonsense like… basically every single quote in the OP is a real big red flag. If only because… a lot of countries should PROBABLY be dismantled if we want to actually make the world a better place. US is definitely up there. So is Russia and China. And arguably large parts of the EU (since they find good ways to still exploit the global south in the name of profits).

    Its just like how people can support aspects of Capitalism without thinking we need full on US/China levels of horror on that front. Or how people can think Communism is a good form of government while still being able to condemn the horrifying abominations that the Soviet Union and the like were (which, honestly, a lot of that boils down to actually being capitalist at its core due to the resource scarcity and bribes).

    To put an intentionally provocative invocation of Godwin’s Law into play. It is very much possible to discuss Nazi technology and praise it (even if that mostly just indicates that you don’t understand logistics or what makes sense during a war versus peace time…). But if you start talking about how the STG-44 was a work of art rifle and amazing and don’t even say “But, just to be clear. Nazis are bad. Shouldn’t have to say it but…” then… that raises some HUGE red flags.

    Which, again, same for Communism. You can praise the good and even argue about how the bad could have been avoided. But you kind of have to acknowledge the bad because of how many people suffered horribly under those regimes.

    Onurb,

    I don’t think this is the right way to go if another Server advice’s its users to engage with everybody else on the fediverse in the best manner. The point here picked only seem to reflect the world views of the admin which cant be discussed or challenged. I guess this is fine because everybody can search for another server but if the server team here cares about its users opinions I’d like to voice my disagreement and would love to have this decision maybe put up to a vote / test period or something similar. Even If I will switch to another instance, thank you for providing this server.

    Cabrio,

    Moderates Hasanabi, wants to willingly engage tankies, have you ever watched his content on the topic?

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