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Yhmg, in "Scientist" Lore

It’s a cool story but not entirely true

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientist

Whewell proposed the word again more seriously (and not anonymously) in his 1840[31] The Philosophy of the Inductive Sciences:

The terminations ize (rather than ise), ism, and ist, are applied to words of all origins: thus we have to pulverize, to colonize, Witticism, Heathenism, Journalist, Tobacconist. Hence we may make such words when they are wanted. As we cannot use physician for a cultivator of physics, I have called him a Physicist. We need very much a name to describe a cultivator of science in general. I should incline to call him a Scientist. Thus we might say, that as an Artist is a Musician, Painter, or Poet, a Scientist is a Mathematician, Physicist, or Naturalist.

fossilesque,
@fossilesque@mander.xyz avatar

TIL :)

Yhmg,

I found it interesting to learn “Scientist” is such a new word though! I assumed it was some ancient word, not something some guy just sat down and came up with pretty recently

emergencyfood, in Asking mathematicians about their proofs

Srinivasa Ramanujan was an Indian mathematician who worked on number theory, infinite series and analysis. He said that he would have dreams of drops of blood (a symbol of his village deity, the goddess Namagiri Thayar), followed by complex mathematical equations. Even with the help of his formally-trained friend GH Hardy, he was only able to prove a small fraction of his insights.

Gregori Perelman is a Russian mathematician best known for solving the Poincare conjecture. He posted his results on arXiv in 2002-03, but never published them in a journal and never accepted any prize or money. He has expressed dismay over the lack of ethics in research.

Anon is a /sci/ user who in 2011 proved the current lower bound of a superpermutation for any size greater than 2 (the Haruhi Problem). Their proof has been archived for posterity, but we don’t know anything more about them.

glad_cat,

4chan wins again!

6daemonbag,

Incredible read, thanks for elaborating!

rbhfd,

He said that he would have dreams of drops of blood (a symbol of his village deity, the goddess Namagiri Thayar), followed by complex mathematical equations. Even with the help of his formally-trained friend GH Hardy, he was only able to prove a small fraction of his insights.

“It came to me in a dream and I forgot it in another dream”

~ Prof. Farnsworth

HawlSera,

I love how often Farnsworth’s nonsense is usually an actual reference to something in Science.

It’s like a double joke, you laugh because it’s nonsense, you laugh harder because it isn’t.

guyrocket, in evolution
guyrocket avatar

I've found cowboy boots to be very slippery on snow or ice. This person's credibility is sinking fast...

Anticorp,

Those are riding boots, or dress boots. They also make Western style boots with rugged soles for work. I have a pair and they’re outstanding on all terrain, including snow. Here’s an example:

www.ariat.com/P13324_M_FOO.html?dwvar_P13324__M__…

Xanthrax,
@Xanthrax@lemmy.world avatar

If you step in mud, wouldn’t your boot slide off?

Anticorp,

If you step in deep mud, and keep walking, then it could. That’s not really a terrain feature where I live. Our soil has good drainage.

Xanthrax,
@Xanthrax@lemmy.world avatar

Fair.

CptEnder,

That’s some letterkenny shit rt

Anticorp,

I got them because we decided not to wear shoes inside our house, and unlacing my work boots several times per day was a real PITA. These take about two seconds to take off or put on.

fossilesque,
@fossilesque@mander.xyz avatar

You must not have enough points in style or cool.

RemembertheApollo,

And the leather soles get mushy...and the salt used to melt the ice absolutely shreds the leather just above the stitching when it dries out. Western boots suck in the snow, and it's a quick way to ruin them. Even rubber-soled ones like some of Ariat's don't last, but they're better on wet surfaces.

Godort,

It’s kind of wild how tons of people in Alberta wear them considering the climate

guyrocket,
guyrocket avatar

If they put hiking boot soles on them they could be OK. I suppose you could add "spikes" yourself for winter. Like these: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=shoe+spikes+winter&iax=images&ia=images

Zehzin, in It's just science.
@Zehzin@lemmy.world avatar

99% is pretty impressive, most species have 100% mortality rate

Shawdow194,
Shawdow194 avatar

That's an interesting point!

Any animal that changes or metamorphosises into a different animal technically has a less than 100% mortality rate

DroneRights,

This is why the infant mortality rate isn’t 100%

fossphi,

Hmm, interesting indeed! I get what you’re trying to say, but I would also tend to believe that it’s still the same animal? If not that, then wouldn’t the caterpillar cease to exist when it metamorphosised into something else?

DroneRights,

Animals are a social construct

Shawdow194,
Shawdow194 avatar

I would also lean closer towards 'same animal' but its physical morphology undergoes such drastic changes its definitely blurred lines

Psychologically I think there are tests that show butterflies and moths retain memories from pre-metamorphisis stages

Metaphysical questions are so cool just because we may never be able to answer them!!!

fossphi,

As mentioned in one of the comments, since caterpillar is just a stage of life, I guess it isn’t as much of a contradiction/paradox then.

But yes, stuff like this is loads of fun! :D

Albbi,

Caterpillar is not actually an animal though, it’s a stage of life.

fossphi,

Aah indeed, now I’m aware :)

Waluigis_Talking_Buttplug,

I think noting caterpillar is the same as say infant death rate for humans

Cralder,

“Caterpillar” is not a species. It’s a stage of some animals’ life cycle. It means 99% of catepillars die before they become butterflies or moths or whatever

averagedrunk,

I wish it were 100% in tomato hornworms. Seeing that 99% of them die before turning into moths makes me think all of the surviving ones just hang out in my garden.

NoSpotOfGround,

So caterpillars do have a chance to be “immortal” and transcend instead to a superior state of existence* at the end of their time. Whoa.

*that is, unfortunately, very mortal.

li10, in aLiEnS!!1

For some reason people seem to think they’re fundamentally smarter than people were back then.

Yeah, you may have technically had a better education, but you’re not inherently more intelligent than the average person back then, and a genius from that time is still miles ahead of you.

gibmiser,

Yeah they had less lead in their environment. They probably were actually smarter, just had less access to foundational knowledge

threelonmusketeers,

Less lead, but probably more malnutrition and disease.

RGB3x3,

The way God intended.

GBU_28,

God: I intended more lead. I fixed the bug.

jackoneill,

We fixed the glitch.

Dark_Dragon,

God: sorry sent too many bugs by mistake.

Franzia,

Egypt was very fertile and had food surpluses, many societies that build cool shit had food surpluses.

intensely_human,

I don’t know. Looking at the pyramids I’m tempted to think all they had was foundational knowledge.

fossilesque, (edited )
@fossilesque@mander.xyz avatar

Yeah, it’s been linked to systemic racist thought patterns (which are often unintentional but should be acknowledged). I explain it to people like this: take a handful of sand and turn your fist so that your palm faces perpendicular to the ground. Now release the sand slowly… What shape does it form? It isn’t rocket science.

CaptnNMorgan,

So you’re saying the pyramids are just giant rocks piled on top of each other?

If so, then what was dropping them and how could the intricacies inside the pyramids be possible if they were just dropped on top of each other?

fossilesque, (edited )
@fossilesque@mander.xyz avatar

Pyramids = basic engineering shape for a sturdy structure. Wide base, tapered top. A lot of early monumental structures were constructed with that basic concept in mind.

CaptnNMorgan, (edited )

I don’t think people have ever been blown away from the shape of them.

Edit: and it’s actually really silly to think about someone who would be… “Woah! How are those things triangles???” Like what?

Num10ck,

its not the basic shape thats impressive, its the truly gigantic pieces that have tighter tolerances than a tesla.

DroneRights,

TBF that’s not hard

teichflamme,

Mind blown

sudoreboot,
@sudoreboot@slrpnk.net avatar

I was thinking “three ridges” first 😅 (I imagined the sand running between the four fingers of my semi-closed fist)

yesman,

Ancient aliens literally has Nazi origins. They didn’t just have race-science, but race-history. I guess you could call their thinking ancient-Aryans because they believed that impressive structures built by brown people must have been led by a Northern European diaspora who eventually vanished because of race-mixing.

You can watch the History channel all you want, but nobody is going to question the Parthenon or the Colosseum. Stonehenge is the only one I can think of where Aliens had to help white people.

fossilesque,
@fossilesque@mander.xyz avatar

Yeah, and it is hard for many people to see the direct correlation of “Chariot of the Gods” etc. with Nazis because it isn’t hitting them in the face. I try to show people that people were smart back then, too, instead of punishing these icky mindsets because they tend to be a bit reactionary anyway. Some people just don’t know any better for a variety of reasons.

CaptnNMorgan,

The two things you named were built thousands of years after the pyramids are believed to have been built though. You said it yourself, people think aliens helped with Stonehenge. That’s because it’s much older and there is no written history from when it was built.

I don’t doubt racism is factor in all sorts of aspects in life but this seems like a massive fucking stretch. Maybe come up with better examples.

fossilesque,
@fossilesque@mander.xyz avatar

hyperallergic.com/…/pseudoarchaeology-and-the-rac…

Pseudoarchaeology has a pretty long and not-so-awesome background due to the profession’s colonial roots with treasure hunters, adventurers, and the like, especially in antiquarian circles.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_archaeology

In the late 18th to 19th century archaeology became a national endeavor as personal cabinets of curios turned into national museums. People were now being hired to go out and collect artifacts to make a nation’s collection more grand and to show how far a nation’s reach extends. For example, Giovanni Battista Belzoni was hired by Henry Salt, the British consul to Egypt, to gather antiquities for Britain. In nineteenth-century Mexico, the expansion of the National Museum of Anthropology and the excavation of major archaeological ruins by Leopoldo Batres were part of the liberal regime of Porfirio Díaz to create a glorious image of Mexico’s pre-Hispanic past.[22]

CaptnNMorgan, (edited )

So that’s great evidence for racism being in archeology in general but I still don’t see the connection between that and people crediting aliens for things we don’t completely understand.

Edit: There are definitely good examples in the article but they also use your argument about things that were built way more recently compared to things that were built before written language. Egyptians definitely built the pyramids, they’re in Egypt so by definition that’s what happened. But I really don’t believe people getting excited over the mystery around how it happened and then pointing to aliens as a possible answer is rooted in racism at all. That being said, there seems be all sorts of nefarious reasons to put that alien explanation on things that are much easier explained without aliens.

intensely_human,

I don’t know about that. Intelligence is attractive and it’s a predictor of lifetime success.

charlytune,
@charlytune@mander.xyz avatar

I probably didn’t have as good an education as the highest educated classes in most ancient Egyptian dynasties.

lugal, in He did though.

Tbf he evolutionarily developed that genome all by himself. That’s how capitalism works

peopleproblems,

He also had a history of being screwed by people. The guy did a lot of good work, and arguably his attempt at patenting it was instrumental in preventing it from being patented. I don’t think that was his intention, but good came from it.

vaseltarp, in PI is what

A Pizza with the radius z and the height a has the volume V= Pi×z×z×a

Akasazh,
@Akasazh@feddit.nl avatar

How do my pineapple chunks factor into the height?

koorool,

For each piece of pineapple where nea is height of a cone, p is radius of a cone and le equals 1/3, volume is Pi * nea * p * p * le.

You understand now why people don’t like pineaaples on their pizzas?

electrogamerman,

The only reason people like pineapples in pizza is because they make cum taste better

Smeagol666,

The only reason people don’t like it is because they haven’t tried it. I was a holdout for the longest time. Fun fact: Hawaiian pizza was invented in Canada by a Greek man.

trailing9, in Joy

It’s inherent to grants. If you want scientists to choose their topics you have to fund them unconditionally.

mononomi, in Mushroom ID

Which mushroom is it then? 😱

fossilesque,
@fossilesque@mander.xyz avatar

Destroying Angel

keepcarrot,

No joking around when it came to naming it.

Viking_Hippie,

Sounds safe and yummy!

fox,

Eastern North American Destroying Angel. Half a mushroom is enough to completely destroy your liver and symptoms show up too late to do anything about them

Karyoplasma,

The symptoms can even disappear after some time, so you think you’ll be fine and then you experience a second onset that kills you.

magnetosphere, in A demonstration of the USA's latching mechanism
@magnetosphere@lemmy.world avatar

I’m glad they accounted for mountains. Otherwise, this would seem unrealistic.

unreachable, in Questionable methods.
@unreachable@lemmy.world avatar

butt stuff

swab148, in Questionable methods.
@swab148@startrek.website avatar
HootinNHollerin,

Turns out, after all this time, sadam just wanted to butt chug plaster

dumbass,
@dumbass@leminal.space avatar

Well he fucked that up then.

mozz, (edited ) in It is very therapeutic to garden, though.
@mozz@mbin.grits.dev avatar

Fun fact: IDK about like a backyard vegetable garden, but small family-sized farms are actually more productive per unit of land than big industrial agriculture.

The farming conglomerates like to enforce big farming operations because they make things easier for the managerial class, and let them be in charge of everything. But if your goal is just to produce food and have the farmers make a living, small farms are actually better even economically (and not just for like 10 other reasons).

FiniteBanjo,

This article about the study:

Aragón conducted a study on farm productivity of more than 4,000 farming households in Uganda over a five-year period. The study considered farm productivity based on land, labour and tools as well as yields per unit area of cultivated land. His findings suggested that even though yields were higher for smaller farms, farm productivity was actually higher for larger farms. Similar research in Peru, Tanzania and Bangladesh supported these findings.

And then the Actual Study HERE:

What explains these divergent findings? Answering this question is important given its consequential policy implications. If small farms are indeed more productive, then policies that encourage small landholdings (such as land redistribution) could increase aggregate productivity (see the discussion in Collier and Dercon, 2014).

We argue that these divergent results reflect the limitation of using yields as a measure of productivity. Our contribution is to show that, in many empirical applications, yields are not informative of the size-productivity relationship, and can lead to qualitatively different insights. Our findings cast doubts on the interpretation of the inverse yield-size relationship as evidence that small farms are more productive, and stress the need to revisit the existing empirical evidence.

Meaning the author is advocating for more scrutiny against the claim and against land redistribution as a policy stance with the intention of increasing productivity.

First, farmers have small scale operations (the average cultivated area is 2.3 hectares).

The definition of “small family farms” in this case is on average more than 5 acres, which would absolutely be under the umbrella of subsidized industrial agriculture in developed nations.

LibertyLizard, (edited )

My god it’s like they’re deliberately trying to make their paper unintelligible to other humans. If I am reading this paper correctly, it is in line with other research on the topic, by indicating that smaller farms tend to have higher yields due to greater labor inputs. While I’m sure an economist would think this puts the issue to rest, being able to feed more people on a smaller land area might still be beneficial even if it requires more labor. Economists often assume that the economy represents the ideal allocation of resources, but I reject this assumption.

By the way, 5 acres is minuscule compared to conventional agriculture, at least in the US. So these aren’t backyard gardens but they are likely quite different from agribusiness as well.

FiniteBanjo,

If you think 5 acres on average isn’t subsidized or industrialized then I challenge you to try it out of your own pocket: fertilize with shovels, till with a hoe, water and pest control without anything but hand pumps or windmills, reap the harvest with a scythe.

enbyecho,

Absolute nonsense. Hyperbole is not helping your argument.

Perhapsjustsniffit,

We do all by hand on a 1/2 acre of mixed veg. We feed our family of five and sell our extras. All the work is done by two adults. 5 acres would be insane and we are hard workers. I can’t imagine that size without a tractor.

Hule,

Wait, 5 acres wouldn’t be all vegetables! Fruit trees, grains, grassland all spread in time so you can work on them when your vegetables don’t need attention.

Perhapsjustsniffit,

Two people. No mechanical equipment. Even with using animals in order to maintain all that space. Then add harvesting and threshing grains by hand along with those animals. Good luck. Our entire working space is an acre with fruit and nut trees and chickens for meat and eggs. The workload is immense and if our lifestyle was similar to most (day jobs) there is no earthly way we could manage what we have let alone 5 acres. We have been doing this for decades and have systems in place to help us as much as possible and it just would not be physically possible. Just garden prep for us alone takes months at a half acre and simple maintenance and picking is a daily chore all season long. We start planting in February and grow until Oct/Nov. We don’t vacation in those months at all and we have seasonal jobs so we can put as much time as possible into food. Oh and we don’t get paid to grow food because we consume the vast majority of it ourselves so we need those real jobs too. Where are you finding all the time and money?

LibertyLizard,

I don’t know why you’re assuming small farms need to be worked with medieval technology—that’s not what I’m saying at all. What I am saying is that 5 acre farms are far smaller than typical for modern agribusiness, and the differences in management are enormous. And I’ve actually worked on a farm that was 8 acres and we did much (though not all) of the labor by hand.

The average US farm is just under 500 acres. It’s totally different to grow food on that scale.

FiniteBanjo,

You don’t know why Industrialized farming is Industrialized? Are you for real, right now?

mozz, (edited )
@mozz@mbin.grits.dev avatar

Yeah, that's why I included "per unit of land." It is in practice a little more complex, and a lot of times the smaller farms are more labor-intensive.

My opinion is that modern farming is efficient enough that we can very obviously sustain the farmer, and sell the food at a reasonable price, and it all works -- the only reason this is even complicated at all and we have to talk about optimizing for labor (certainly in 1st-world farms) is that we're trying to support a bloodsucking managerial class that demands six-figure salaries for doing fuck-all, and subsistence wages for the farmers and less than that for farmworkers, and stockholder dividends, and people making fortunes from international trade; and if we just fixed all that bullshit then the issue would be land productivity and everything would be fine.

But yes, in terms of labor productivity it's a little more complex, and none of the above system I listed is likely to change anytime soon, so that's fair.

lgmjon64,

Also, you can’t just look at the amount of food produced, but the amount produced vs waste, storage and transportation costs. Most things in the garden can stay ripe on the plant for a while and can be picked as needed.

Anecdotally, we were supplying about 80% of our fruit and veg needs on our own garden plot on our standard city residential lot with a family of 7. And we were literally giving tomatoes, citrus and zucchini away as fast as we could.

leftzero, in Ripperonis

That explains why this just looked like it instantly teleported…

https://lemmynsfw.com/pictrs/image/4ad69ac7-1a1e-4d0a-bb3b-b658d8942b4d.jpeg

snooggums,
@snooggums@midwest.social avatar

Does Dragonball have a warning about the racist caricatures like old Disney movies?

Rhynoplaz,

No no no, he’s a mystical creature that just happens to look like that.

mindbleach,

Yeah, Toriyama’s actual black characters look way worse.

JoMiran, in checkmate, big geology!!
@JoMiran@lemmy.ml avatar
slurpyslop,

didnt use enough cement

interolivary,
@interolivary@beehaw.org avatar

Definitely! I find that most problems in life can be solved with cement; if it didn’t solve your problem, you just didn’t use enough of it.

Transporter_Room_3,

I need about a moon-sized glob of cement for…

Science stuff.

I_am_10_squirrels,

Add duct tape to the list

sigmaklimgrindset,

Where is this from?? Is this AI?

JoMiran,
@JoMiran@lemmy.ml avatar

Mt. St. Helen’s eruption, 1980. I remember this form when I was a kid. I couldn’t wrap my head around a mountain exploding then, and I still can’t.

xthexder,
@xthexder@l.sw0.com avatar

I believe that’s Mt St Helens erupting. Real footage from 1980 (though this gif is sped up).

sigmaklimgrindset,

Thank you, I just read the Wikipedia summary of the event, and I can’t believe this isn’t even as big as the “Big One” everyone talks about for Yellowstone.

chiliedogg,

It’s neat seeing someone learn about Mt St Helen’s for the first time. It was such a big deal in the 80s that I can’t remember not knowing about it. It makes me excited to discover major events I know nothing about…

Anyway… The thing with it wasn’t necessarily the size of the eruption. There have been much, much bigger eruptions. It’s that it was one of the first with really good footage (since it was one of the earlier predicted eruptions), it occurred in the US, and it blew out sideways instead of the top.

sigmaklimgrindset, (edited )

Haha, yea, I wasn’t born in the right decade on the right continent to know about this, so I had a really good time learning about something new!

The only reason I even know about the Yellowstone caldera eruption zone is because my American cousin once told me about it in the form of a horror story when we were both younger, and I started crying because I thought the world was going to end while we were visiting Connecticut, lol.

Zerush,
@Zerush@lemmy.ml avatar

Mt, St. Helen compared to Yellowstone or the Phlegraean Fields in Italy was an a simple New Year’s Eve rocket. Both capable to create an month long night on the whole Earth.

IMongoose,

The Yellowstone volcano is about 8 times larger than the entirety of park that has Mt St Helens in it (~860,000 acres of volcano vs ~110,000 acres of park).

psud, (edited )

And burying entire states 2m (~6’) deep in ash and stone were it to go off during a time while America has states

seejur,

If I recall correctly, it is not real “footage” but real photos which are interpolated into a film using editing software

xthexder,
@xthexder@l.sw0.com avatar

That would definitely explain why it’s sped up if the source was a bunch of still images. I’ve seen other edits of it that look a little more like a real-time video.

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