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bobburger,

I think this is a sarcastic post so I'm going to up vote it.

It does however seem like something a tankie would believe without questioning and then spread like gospel, so I'm conflicted.

bobburger,

They died because they protested in a state capitalist dictatorship?

Biden's Gaza plan 'not a good deal' but Israel accepts it, Netanyahu aide says (www.reuters.com)

Netanyahu is under pressure to keep his coalition government intact. Two far-right partners have threatened to bolt in protest at any deal they deem to spare Hamas. A centrist partner, ex-general Benny Gantz, wants the deal considered. Hamas has provisionally welcomed the Biden initiative.

bobburger,

Some more context from a BBC article

But Yair Lapid, one of Israel's most influential opposition politicians, was quick to offer his backing to the embattled prime minister. His Yesh Atid (There is a future) party hold 24 seats.
He said the prime minister "has our safety net for a hostage deal if Ben-Gvir and Smotrich leave the government".

bobburger,

Disinformation campaigns don't necessarily need to come up with new rhetoric, they just need to normalize it so that it appears more acceptable to some people. Amplifying and normalizing this sort of thing among certain groups helps to solidify their views and further radicalize them.

It's like any other form of advertising, you try to find something that sticks then beat it to death. Then you find something else, and repeat the process. In this case the antisemitic rhetoric is still unfortunately effective.

bobburger,

I got you

From [Wikipedia] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debtors'_prison) about debtors prison:

In 1963, members of the Council of Europe, an intergovernmental human rights organization based in Strasbourg, adopted the Protocol No. 4 to the Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms. Article 1 of the protocol states that "no one shall be deprived of his liberty merely on the ground of inability to fulfil a contractual obligation." Currently, 42 states have ratified the protocol.[74]

Article about cash bail reform

I'm not sure if either of these apply to international flight risks.

Maybe a better option would be to seize British passports and place offenders on a no fly list.

bobburger,

From the BBC "live" coverage of the proposal

Netanyahu releases statement

A statement has just been released from Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's office.

It says he has authorised the Israeli negotiating team to "present an outline" for achieving the release of all hostages.

However, the statements goes on to say the war in Gaza will not end until all goals - including the "elimination" of Hamas's armed wing and organisational capacities - are achieved.

It continues: "The exact outline proposed by Israel, including the conditional transition from stage to stage, allows Israel to maintain these principles."

bobburger,

I'm not sure what the exact proposal is but it seems like Israel is saying the ceasefire allows them to achieve their objective while ceasing hostilities.

I'm skeptical Netanyahu won't break the ceasefire as soon as it's politically advantageous, but we'll see.

bobburger,

This is pretty interesting. This topic was discussed ad nauseum when it happened, there's even a cross post that's over a month old with 280 upvotes and 50 comments.

But on my feed post is showing as less than an hour old, and appears in at least 3 other communities for me.

Also the headline of the actual article is:

House passes bill to expand definition of antisemitism amid growing campus protests over Gaza war

Nowhere in the article does it mention making "Gaza genocide protests illegal". I think misrepresenting the contents of the article and changing the headline could very well explain why the posts was removed from another community.

bobburger,

They are not.

Netanyahu and Putin are both waiting for Trump (www.washingtonpost.com)

Netanyahu reportedly met this month with three foreign policy envoys working with former president and current presidential candidate Donald Trump — who could yet win the election despite being convicted Thursday on 34 felony counts of falsifying business records in his New York state hush money case....

bobburger,

I'm not sure how this is gas lighting.

Here's the Wikipedia article so we can make sure we're using the same vocabulary.

bobburger,

You not only seem to be misunderstanding gas lighting still but also the messaging around the economy and the response to the Gaza invasion.

Fun fact: the economy can be doing great and poor people can still exist. Let that doozy sink in.

Another neat one: the Biden administration can want peace in Israel but not be willing to destroy the relationship we have with that country, alienate a huge portion of Biden voter, or destroy the political capital he has in order to get peace.

bobburger,

Looks like you didn't read the definition of gas lighting either. Once again you're making broad claims on a gross misunderstanding of the facts.

bobburger,

Bazinga, pwnd another lib!

bobburger,

Not if you want the fighting to continue so that you can keep using it as a talking point to get Trump elected.

bobburger,

I don't think this is a fascist power grab. Benny Gantz is a centrist and a one of the main opposition leaders to Netanyahu.

This part is pretty well documented and agreed upon by political experts:

He's been loudly advocating for a "day after plan" for the War in Gaza, i.e. what is the actual plan for Israels invasion and what are we going to do when it's done? The day after plan is something Netanyahu has refused to provide. Many speculate that he hasn't provided it because his plan is full occupation of Gaza and making it fully part of the Israeli state.

This part is conjecture and maybe wishful thinking on my part:

Netanyahu refuses to end the war so that he can stay in power. I think that Gantz recognizes the great international harm that the invasion of Gaza has done to Israel, which will only get worse until the invasion is over and Israel withdraws from Gaza. Gantz sees this as an opportunity make himself prime minister, end the invasion, and start some sort of peace process. This would allow him to start rebuilding Israels reputation and finding ways to establish a more stable peace.

bobburger,

Man that sounds fun, I wish I was slappin baby seal right now.

bobburger,

I found this article about a NPR poll which has a breakdown of support for Israel by age group and party affiliation.

I'm not sure exactly where Biden's position on the Gaza invasion falls on this poll, but it seems closest to "Support Israels right to defend itself while encouraging a cease fire". Biden definitely isn't withholding all support, and he definitely isn't fully supporting the military actions against Hamas.

About 33% of Democrats and 27% independents think the US should suspend aid to Israel until there is a cease fire.

Similarly 38% of gen z/millennials think there should be a cease fire until there is a suspension of aid. This is the smallest voting cohort at about 36% of the population according to Wikipedia, and also the least likely to vote historically. Perhaps voter turn out would be higher among this group if we had a different candidate, but no one is going to cater their political platform to a group that had never reliably voted, especially if doing so costs them votes among reliable voters.

Among Gen X and older less that 19% support a stopping aid until a cease fire happens. This is the largest and most likely to vote voting cohort.

Also noted in the article, Biden has a 15 point lead over Trump among baby boomers who have very little support for a ceasefire.

bobburger,

That wording is all you should need to hear to disregard the poll...

That's a pretty extraordinary assumption to make.

Regardless of how you feel about that option there is little support among voters for withholding support for Israel until a ceasefire is reached. Less than 25% among all respondents, and less than 33% among Democrats and Independents who I'd consider potential Biden voters.

If you have a different poll I'd love to see it.

bobburger,

Right? I want a PHEV so range isn't something I really need to think about.

bobburger,

I'll try to clear it up a little.

Here's a recent poll showing that support for ending the invasion into Gaza isn't widely supported

There's a lot of risk to Biden's election chances if he withdraws his support for Israel, probably more risk than if he maintains his current actions. So withdrawing his support for Israel isn't the clear cut winning decision that you seem to think it is.

Your threat of withholding your vote for Joe Biden unless he changes policy to match what you want will most likely result in Joe Biden losing the election. If he changes course and withdraws support as you want then he'll probably lose more voters than he gains, costing him he election. If he stays the course and you don't vote for Joe Biden he's likely to lose the election.

bobburger,

Edit2: Income inequality was drastically reduced after the communist parties came to power:

Are you talking about the 10-15 years after the revolutions? That chart shows that today China has income inequality similar to that of pre-1900 China, and higher income inequality than France, Sweden, and the UK. Even more interesting, the US only has 3% more income share going to the 1% than China does.

Also "share of income going to the top 1%" doesn't really tell the whole story. I think individual purchasing power would be a much more informative statistic.

bobburger,

You wanted a source that when the Secretary of the State said "we" she meant the state department?

From the article:

The quote is from a 2006 interview between Clinton and Eli Chmosky of the Jewish Press during her campaign for reelection to the US senate, and was part of a previously un-aired portion.

She wasn't the secretary of state when she said it, and probably had no idea that she would ever be secretary of state. I'm not sure why you would think the "we" is the state department.

Additionally there's no context around this quote so it's a pretty significant leap to infer that "Hillary casually said we should have rigged a foreign election". Her next sentence could have very well have been "But we didn't, and we never will because that isn't how we operate". Or it could have been "We actually did try, but we failed because we ran out of funding". Or "That's what I'm hearing from the leaders of Fatah anyway".

Hillary is a pretty big POS and it's pretty easy to find shit she did that is horrible but this quote doesn't match up with what you're trying to show.

bobburger,

I recently replaced some insulation in my home and i found out it's a lot more complicated than just put slap it in the wall. That is to say my understanding is pretty rudimentary so my explanation may not be the best.

Insulation in a house creates a temperature difference between the inside and the outside of your house. If the insulation doesn't have a proper moisture barrier this can lead to water getting trapped on the inside of the insulation due to condensation. The water then comes leaking out if your walls, making everything extremely damp. The darkness inside the wall along with the dampness makes an ideal environment for the mold, which quickly spreads outside of the wall and into the rest of your damp house.

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