matdevdug,
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I’m surprised the isn’t going to allow the pay or let us show you personalized ads thing. It seems like a perfectly fair compromise to me. You can either pay Meta through ad revenue or directly and preserve your privacy.

This seems like the EU saying its citizens are entitled to use Meta’s services regardless of their financial value which seems sort of bonkers. Facebook isn’t a public utility.

3timeslazy,
@3timeslazy@techhub.social avatar

@matdevdug
> You can either pay Meta through ad revenue or directly and preserve your privacy

If I pay Facebook subscription will it just stop showing me ads or stop gathering data about me? By data gathering I mean not the name and birthday I entered myself, but their trackers all of the internet, analytics on the site, etc?

matdevdug,
@matdevdug@c.im avatar

@3timeslazy Yeah that's the deal. Meta is letting you choose either advertising and data collection OR payment.

leeloo,
@leeloo@techhub.social avatar

@matdevdug
They are not saying we are entitled to use Facebook, they are saying we are entitled to privacy.

Facebook can charge if they want, just not for privacy.

matdevdug,
@matdevdug@c.im avatar

@leeloo No that's what Meta was doing. You can either have your privacy and pay them to use their services or you sacrifice privacy for the services.

What the EU is saying is our citizens are entitled to use Meta's servers even if Meta doesn't make money on them because the value of non-personalized ads is a fraction of the personalized ones. You are not allowed, Meta's leadership, to control the price for your service. We control the price for your service.

leeloo,
@leeloo@techhub.social avatar

@matdevdug
Facebook was offering the service for free, but you have to pay for privacy. That is not allowed.

And that's like it should be. You can't charge for not breaking the law.

matdevdug,
@matdevdug@c.im avatar

@leeloo Delivering personalized advertisements to users in the EU isn't against the law as long as you obtain their consent. When you go to the page Meta is saying "you can either give us the consent to gather that information and legally serve you personalized ads OR you can pay us and not have that". It's a choice, what value do you place on privacy vs access to the system.

What the EU is asserting is Meta has to eat the loss that a certain percentage of its users will reject the prompt to provide consent, will not pay but will consume the same amount of resources on Meta's servers. That's a radical thing to say. It's effectively a trade tariff.

Where's the limit on this? If I run a small service and I build my product on the assumption that I'll make X on ad revenue every month, does the EU have the right to tell me "actually everyone gets to use your thing for almost free"? Why does it get to control how I price my product?

What if Meta says "ok but users with nonpersonalized ads cannot upload photos or videos". They're worth less as users to Meta, can Meta limit the cost of keeping them on the platform?

Sqaaakoi,
@Sqaaakoi@wetdry.world avatar

@matdevdug If Facebook "isn't a public utility" then why do public utility providers treat it like a public utility

Same can be said about Twitter

matdevdug,
@matdevdug@c.im avatar

@Sqaaakoi If my dog isn't public property why do people keep walking up and asking to pet him?

Sqaaakoi,
@Sqaaakoi@wetdry.world avatar

@matdevdug I don't know if this comparison is fair, you say "people ask to pet him"
Do people ask people Facebook directly if they can use Facebook?

matdevdug,
@matdevdug@c.im avatar

@Sqaaakoi That's what happens when you go to a Facebook website. You are asking Meta to use their services. And Meta is allowed to say "yes if you pay us OR you let us advertise to you using the more lucrative personalized ad tier". They're offering you a choice. You can have privacy for money or you can trade privacy for access to the features.

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