Jails banned in-person visits in order to maximize revenue from voice and video calls as part of a "quid pro quo kickback scheme" with prison phone companies

Across the United States, hundreds of jails have eliminated in-person family visits over the last decade. Why has this happened? The answer highlights a profound flaw in how decisions too often get made in our legal system: for-profit jail telecom companies realized that they could earn more profit from phone and video calls if jails eliminated free in-person visits for families. So the companies offered sheriffs and county jails across the country a deal: if you eliminate family visits, we’ll give you a cut of the increased profits from the larger number of calls. This led to a wave across the country, as local jails sought to supplement their budgets with hundreds of millions of dollars in cash from some of the poorest families in our society.

bitwolf,

Doesn’t this violate the monopoly law? This would be maintaining a monopoly would it not?

JasonDJ,

Uhm.

Well, private, for-profit prisons are a thing. Which is uncanny, that apparently a private entity can do “prison” for the state for cheaper than the state it can could.

But once in it’s a captive audience. They aren’t gonna go to the commissary down the street. The whole thing is a monopoly.

The unsettling truth is that nobody cares about prisoners, or even ex-cons, in America. We ignore everything bad that happens to them, big or small, or toss it out as “well, they deserve it”. As if the sole purpose of prison is punishment.

And then they get out and in many places they are no longer full citizens with a right to vote. So, say, for example, you are arrested and imprisoned on possession of cannabis. Well, you can pay your “debt to society” by serving your time in prison, and then when you get out you can’t even vote for a decriminalization candidate.

TheTimeKnife,
@TheTimeKnife@lemmy.world avatar

All these profit farming scams for prisons should be criminal conduct. It’s sickening how little the public cares about systemic abuse of prisoners.

in4aPenny,

Sickening but not suprising, considering the vast majority still think Captialism is the best method and profit farming is considered “clever business”.

Ultragigagigantic,
@Ultragigagigantic@lemmy.world avatar

Jpay.com is what I used when I went to jail.

A literal captive consumer. Capitalists wet dream come true. Just think of the returns if this model could be expanded! Disrupting the economy by disrupting your freedom.

They’re not trying to build a prison for you and me, they already have.

UncleGrandPa,

Despite calls to the contrary, a for profit prison system is inherently unjust and can not help but abuse it’s prisoners

Mango,

I’ve already accepted there’s never gonna be justice for me, so I’m just never gonna have kids. The best thing I can do for my kids is not make them have to live here. I’ve seen the system from the inside and the bottom and expect that voting works the same as this:

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/91244c76-f340-43cc-b6b1-c5932925be42.gif

ASeriesOfPoorChoices,

no, it doesn’t.

well, depends where you are. I mean, in Russia it does. In the UK it doesn’t. In the USA it varies ;-)

Mango,

And how is it that you get that impression? Someone told you a story and you believed it yeah?

ASeriesOfPoorChoices,

says the guy who hasn’t seen shit.

Mango,

What have YOU seen? You certainly don’t know what I’ve seen, so let’s tell each other stories.

ASeriesOfPoorChoices,

you’re the guy who thinks the Russian election wasn’t rigged in any way.

“stories” are all in your court, you numpty.

Mango,

You just gonna make up something stupid and decide that’s what I’m about so you can sling shit? Go fuck yourself.

ASeriesOfPoorChoices,

“make up something stupid”? what?

are you drunk?

In any case, I think I speak for all of Lemmy when I say: thank fuck you don’t have any kids, because those are some fucked up genes you’re carrying around. 🤦‍♂️

Out of curiosity, since you’re obviously an expert on the subject, what does Trump’s taint taste like?

DingoBilly,

Lol America as usual.

What a joke of a country - so many horrible decisions in one place.

PresidentCamacho,

Yeah, just wait until our entire system inevitably folds in on itself and destroys the economies of the world in the process. Hopefully I outlast american entropy.

captainlezbian,

I don’t believe in carceral justice but those who abuse prisoners deserve to join their victims.

PlantDadManGuy,

I’m very curious about the first part of your statement. Do you believe in an eye for an eye, literally chopping off fingers for thieves, immediate forgiveness for repentance, or just execution?

fishbone,

Not who you asked but my money is on something more in line with transformative justice.

sheogorath,

Yes

stratoscaster,

People are in prisons for insanely stupid reasons, why shouldn’t the people abusing them for their own gain not deserve punishment?

Even theft is a whole different ballgame than actual indentured servitude and abuse of power.

JasonDJ,

Who cares about theft?

Wage theft in the US totals approximately 50 billion dollars per year. That’s more than all burglaries, robberies, and car thefts, combined.

That’s one white-collar crime. How many people behind bars stand convicted of it?

PiratePanPan,
@PiratePanPan@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Breaking news: Making the correctional system a business venture was a bad idea. More at 8.

A_Random_Idiot,

its almost as if denationalization/privatization is almost always a bad idea.

Just look at whats happens to the Thames in London.

ASeriesOfPoorChoices,

sounds like you’re saying capitalism is bad and socialism is good. OFF TO JAIL WITH YOU.

(visa and MasterCard accepted, Amex with a 1.5% surcharge, Diners with 3%. Look at all that choice!)

melpomenesclevage,

What correctional system? What’s being corrected?

Churbleyimyam,

One word: corrupt.

Wes_Dev,

For-profit prisons…

Evil

gitgud,
@gitgud@lemmy.ml avatar
Suavevillain,
@Suavevillain@lemmy.world avatar

This country is just pure evil.

quinkin,

Cunts

PolarisFx,
@PolarisFx@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

This came up in a John Oliver episode about prison labour, this episode I think: m.youtube.com/watch?v=AjqaNQ018zU

hahattpro,

this dude rock. he talk about social problem in the fun way.

PiratePanPan,
@PiratePanPan@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

After Trevor Noah left The Daily Show and Colbert started pandering to liberal middle-aged white women after his move to CBS, I feel like Oliver is the only bearable talk show host on network television these days.

Honorable mention to Kimmel, though. He’s not a revolutionary, but he’s pretty funny.

solarbabies,
@solarbabies@lemmy.world avatar

Trevor Noah? you mean Jon Stewart?

Noah was smart but I never had fun watching him. He was too serious, and his delivery of the punchy low-blow jokes the writers gave him were never satisfying in the way Stewart somehow fills me with rage and makes me chuckle at the absurdity of it.

don’t even get me started on Jimmy Kimmel… the guy is a very talented actor with no brains, no real opinions and thinks absolutely everything is hilarious. I’d rather watch water boil than listen to his childish version of comedy. his writers do all the work, he’s a parrot with just enough brains to land the jokes and not enough to question the interests of his corporate media overlords.

PiratePanPan,
@PiratePanPan@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Well, to each their own.

Vorticity,

Prisoners shouldn’t need to pay to talk with their families. We claim that our system is intended for rehabilitation. What could possibly lead to better outcomes than the ability to keep in touch with your family; to be made to feel human while serving your sentence? The US justice system is a fucking joke and for-profit prison shareholders are the only ones laughing.

Incarceration should have no profit motive, regardless of whether that profit motive benefits a for-profit company and its shareholders or the local Sheriff’s department.

M0oP0o,
@M0oP0o@mander.xyz avatar

We claim that our system is intended for rehabilitation.

News to me, I did not know you guys claimed that.

melpomenesclevage,

Yeah I forgot about that. Is anyone dumb enough to believe this?

Vorticity,

It’s what our politicians claim the system is for. It’s obviously not, but that’s the claim.

M0oP0o,
@M0oP0o@mander.xyz avatar

From an outsider view I did not even know that your politicians claimed that, I thought it was just a few more hopeful ones saying it should be that. I always assumed it was common knowledge that the system in the US was for punishment and whatnot first. Might just be me seeing the movie “Tank!” as a child.

Blackmist,

The 13th amendment claims otherwise, in fact.

Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

PiratePanPan,
@PiratePanPan@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

So crazy to think that slavery is still a thing in America but you’re instantly blacklisted for even mentioning it

Patches,

Does anyone else only see asterisks?

lolcatnip,

Not me.

PiratePanPan,
@PiratePanPan@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

DUE TO INFLAMMATORY AND INACCURATE SPEECH, THIS MESSAGE WAS EDITED BY THE UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC AFFAIRS.

Ultragigagigantic,
@Ultragigagigantic@lemmy.world avatar

Is the record correct now?

ASeriesOfPoorChoices,

slavery is allowed as punishment for a crime? damn.

captainlezbian,

They only say so to those of us who are aghast at the cruelty and don’t take “but bad people” for an answer

M0oP0o,
@M0oP0o@mander.xyz avatar

Yeah, the US has way to many “bad people” per capita for that to have ever made any sense.

Fedizen,

commodifying things that can’t be made in a factory is always a mistake.

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