lol. You crack me up. As the article points out it made them unprofitable. So they laid people off or closed. You can’t take a lower margin when you’re already a negative margin.
If a business that pays their executives 2000x more than their average employee can’t pay their workers a living wage it’s either too mismanaged or greedy to continue. Their thin margin is their own doing.
That sucks for the workers for sure, but fast food is not a crucial business and as long as there is demand, another business will fill the void, bringing more jobs.
lol. None of these are doing that. You think a franchise owner is making 2000x times their employees ? A McDonald’s profits about 100k. That means the demise owner has to put down 1 million to get a 10% return. That means they are making 5x an employee but carry all the risk.
You keep ranting about a living wage which by itself doesn’t mean anything. They were living in their wages before which means it was a living wage. Now they have no wages. So now they have an unlivable wage.
lol you confused executives with franchise owners, that makes your argument irrelevant.
If the franchise owners are having difficulty paying their workers either they’re not running their business effectively, or the requirements from corporate are hampering their ability to pay, or the business model is unsustainable.
Your practice of blaming the government for forcing owners of these places to pay a living wage is ridiculously out of touch. If they were already making a living wage then the law wouldn’t be required.
But I don’t expect anything different from someone in the top 5%. There’s no way you can understand that struggle.
……how do you think corporate makes its money if not for the franchises? You yourself even mentioned the investment required by the corporation to open a franchise. That goes to the expenses of the physical stores and training staff but ALSO goes to the corporation for licensing fees. They also set requirements that franchise owners have to pay to meet.
So why are you going on about some mythical executive is beyond me.
They run the company, it’s important to scrutinize their actions.
You’re bad at this.
A living wage = wage high enough to maintain a normal standard of living.
If you can’t even pay rent on a minimum wage job (let alone food or other expenses) then you’re not making a living wage.
owners. ……how do you think corporate makes its money if not for the franchises
How to say you don’t understand a franchise without actually saying it. Corporate has zero to do with this.
A living wage = wage high enough to maintain a normal standard of living.
They had that. So now you can stop babbling about a living wage.
f you can’t even pay rent on a minimum wage job (let alone food or other expenses) then you’re not making a living wage
They were paying all their expenses. Can you cite where a laid off employee says otherwise? Only a liberal would think 0 is better than making a livable wage which they were doing
You’re seriously going to die on the “corporate has nothing to do with the costs they impose on the franchisee” hill?
Under $20/hour, ESPECIALLY in a state with as high of a COL as California is NOT a living wage. Try it for a month. You wouldn’t even be able to cover the average rent. You’re just proving even harder how out of touch you are as a 5%-er.
I love this narritave that people working in fast food for low wages are joyfully living their best life making big macs and singing gospel songs in 4 part harmony and on their day off they swing by the community food bank and everything is great - untill the evil Liberal McSocialist takes their job away with an evil laugh Mwahahaha! and the poor franchise owner loses everything he has to wear a barrel instead of clothes and smoke Honduran cigars instead of Dominican Oh such folly! Such Tribulation! Alas Babylon!
Helps if you had read the articles where the woman says she was happy with her job and pay. She’s not upset because she doesn’t have a job or pay. She won’t be able to pay her bills. I get you feel self important to tell the plebes they don’t need jobs since but I can empathize with their plight.
I missed that one. Did you post a link to it? I don’t see any other links in this thread. I admire your concern for the people who lost their jobs and I share that concern. You should never doubt that the plight of the proletariat is a fundamental concern at the heart of the revolutionary’s critique of capitalist exploitation.
Navarro expressed that she and her former colleagues preferred to keep their old wages instead of losing their jobs altogether. “From what I’ve heard from my employees, we all would have chosen to stay at our previous wage because now we’re unemployed,” she told Fox Business.
“Small businesses can’t handle a more than 120% increase in the minimum wage over the last decade. We’re all poorer than we were ten years ago, which shows that raising the minimum wage isn’t helping,” he commented to the media.
The issue is that wages should have been increased more gradually over time and not rapidly when inflation was the highest and right after a pandemic. That is just dumb. People will only pay so much for fast food and that price is already exceeded.
I see. So Navarro the assistant general manager, who was probably getting an above minimum wage, was cooperating in the exploitation of whoever was working for $4 an hour. No one can support themselves on $4 an hour in California, so it was likely teenagers or students who probably won’t be cast into the street or go hungry at the loss of such a low wage job.
I agree wages should have been raised gradually over time. There was very strong and well organized opposition to such an idea, mainly among republicans but also democrat collaborators.
Another difference between the USA and Denmark: trade unions. Unfortunately for US workers, there has been a long history of union busting in America.Coupled with deliberately weak labor laws, union busting goes on.
To act like a wage increase is some kind of curse against fast food employees is to ignore the long history of anti-worker legislation and practices in this country, which is again, either foolish or deceitful.
That happened the same day the new minimum wage law took effect, raising pay for fast food workers to $20 an hour from $4.
Thats where I got the $4 from. It wasn’t clear me it was a 4 dollar raise. I admit I may have had a poor reading comprehension moment there, but in my defence I have a concussion and my eyes are a bit blurry, also I am trying to avoid my wife catching me on the internet, since she thinks I should be resting in a dark room. Still, that’s a poorly written sentence.
Hey I get the blurry eyes. I wake up with dry eyes. Sometimes I end up writing gibberish because of it. It looks fine to to me until I review it later.
The issue is the speed of the raises and inflation. Customers won’t absorb higher prices.
This entire thread is just that guy demonstrating over and over how much he doesn’t understand the suffering of those below him on the economic scale and it’s SO OBVIOUS
Unverifiable statistics from a fascist propaganda machine.
Meanwhile, the nation of Zimbabwe has no statutory minimum wage and the unemployment rate for 2023 was 9.1. There is no direct connection between these two things and anyone who claims so is either foolish or deceitful.
The link to the WSJ doesn’t say they cut 9.5K jobs. It’s the same as the one from a month ago about some pizzeria dude losing his job. So, idk wtf this article (or the other Google links, because I searched this time) are talking about. This number feels like it’s being pulled out of thin air to provide a narrative that isn’t true. In other words, unless there was a study done, it’s disinformation.
Let these companies cripple themselves all because they don’t want to pay fair wages. If they can’t be bothered to ensure humans can live, they don’t need to be in this world.
This is just bully tactics. Take the Loblaw strike/van and apply it to every one of these companies. Let corporations for once die and fail if they can’t handle the realities of this world
The people were living just fine before. Now, they don’t have a job in a state with high unemployment. Seems like the governor created a problem when things were working just fine.
These jobs were already lost before the $20 wage. If you live California, you would know this as they have been installing machines to order your own meals, while the counter was no longer there besides to pick-up food. So no this had been planned since before. They are just using an scapegoat to say this is why.
then what are you disputing? People do better employed than unemployed in a high unemployment state. California has the highest unemployment rate in the country.
@wintermute_oregon While that is true, I doubt that most people in #California are doing "just fine", the state has tons of problems from cost of living to safety.
That is outside of the minimum wage increase. That is just bad government. When I left California, there were things I missed, but it was declining rapidly when I left.
I am not a huge fan of minimum wages. Their history is racist and I think they hold the market back. If we didn’t have a minimum wage, people could negotiate better.
@wintermute_oregon Eh. From what I remember, they were definitely needed at the time they were introduced, and I think getting rid of them will lead to the same problem today.
A better practice would be to keep the minimum wage static, and then stop contributing to inflation, although to be fair to #California, that problem is caused largely by the federal government, not the state itself.
I still agree that the changes were needed at the time though, the lower class at the time was essentially a slave class due to low levels of pay. People were being paid so little that young children were forced to work in factories in order for households to make ends meet.
@wintermute_oregon@realcaseyrollins a lot of those people are just useful idiots. they're mad about whatever they've been primed to riot about. they don't actually have a basic understanding of how food arrives at stores or the implications of wages on the cost of their coffee. it's really sad.
importing a Deluge from new zealand had an import duty of 0$ because the USA doesn't really charge other colonials import tax. the same device to a German musician held something like a 300$ overhead to the government.
in my recent reading about cinema cameras, someone was charged around 170$USD to have their camera sent back to black magic for servicing. the brits and euros it was more like 400$.
there are a lot of import/export fees and license buggery that just doesn't exist in the USA.
but my original point was you just have these wealthy or scholarship/loan people that want cheap coffee at school but then someone tells them to be mad about what the poors make, and i don't think it actually occurs to them that paying the barista 20$ an hour means the cost of their coffee is going to go up.
don’t think it actually occurs to them that paying the barista 20$ an hour means the cost of their coffee is going to go up
Agreed. As you can see here when person thought the franchisee should just take less profit when it’s unprofitable. He seemed to think the franchisee was making 2000x the employee when it’s close to 4-5x but also carries all the liability.
Dining in general is low margin. Wages are a large part of that cost. I’m not against raising wages but people need to realize cost will go up, jobs will be lost and you’ll get less service.
@icedquinn@wintermute_oregon@realcaseyrollins oh yeah well, it isn't a viable solution. A lot of places here have closed, even in Oakland, for crime related reasons on top of increasing wages. Fast food workers here get capped for nothing.
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