Some of the strongest worker protections in the country and the CCPA. Really makes you wonder how much more you could get if young adults actually voted in elections.
The 2021 federal minimum wage vote had 41 Yea votes from Democrats, 1 from Independent. 7 Democrats and 1 Independent voted Nay. Every single Republican voted Nay.
What percentage of Sanders supporters do you imagine voted for Trump?
Do you suppose it’s higher than the percentage of Democrats in the Senate who were willing to go on record as hating workers by voting to kill the minimum wage increase?
Because Sanders supporters are still catching shit for the loss Clinton earned, regardless of who they actually voted for in 2016.
If we’re expected to vote like the party wants, why aren’t legislators?
I suppose it makes little sense to you that I was comparing centrists not getting what they want (Clinton’s coronation) to centrists getting exactly what they all want (no increase to the minimum wage.).
Yeah, Kirsten Sinema (currently an independent and dropped out) and Joe Manchin (who will also be gone soon).
So by “many” you mean “two”?And do you think if those two senators are replaced with GOP senators it will make an increase in minimum wage more likely?
The “uniparty” meme is a Marjorie Taylor Greene thing. Do you agree with the space laser lady?
There’s also an argument to be made for building better cities and more affordable housing (both more affordable and more of it), as well as building a society where you don’t have to buy a car to participate. Life could be a lot more affordable if we didn’t arrange our policies to make it so expensive.
Fuck landlords as well, I’m waay onboard with that.
How about we raise minimum wage, but also regulate the hell out of several sectors so that the wealthy don’t just consume whatever we raise it to with obscene inflation, otherwise what’s the point?
If you do that you will give even more incentive for the government to underreport inflation.
Also inflation usually measures consumer prices. Ever wonder how education, healthcare, housing, and most other major expenses can increase significantly faster than inflation? This is why.
If your rent goes up, its not inflation. If the cost of chips goes up it is. Tie it to a better metric.
I had to scroll to the bottom to see this. This is what happens every time the wage increases. No point in increasing the wage when everyone else increases the price. Can’t agree with your statement more.
No, I responded to someone’s comment within this post, and that’s what is being discussed. And they, and myself, are for increased minimum wage, he said it plainly and I said I agreed with him. I also agreed that we should have restrictions placed to prevent the rich from increasing prices on everything else just because the wealthy know that everyone got a base raise. I never said inflation is caused by a wage increase, you came to that conclusion on your own. Republicans also dislike restrictions on the wealthy, which it sounds like you’re not a fan of it either…are you a Republican?
And they, and myself, are for increased minimum wage
Which is why you’re setting prerequisites for it.
Republicans also dislike restrictions on the wealthy, which it sounds like you’re not a fan of it either…are you a Republican?
I’m not a fan of coming up with prerequisites to stand in the way of raising wages. And I’m certainly no fan of the Republican argument that we can’t raise wages because prices will rise, particularly not when prices already rise when wages stay stagnant like you and every other Republican wants.
Again, I didn’t say we can’t raise wages. I said I was for it. What prerequisite was mentioned that would stand in the way of increasing the minimum wage?
There is no correlation between wage increases and inflation. Firms will charge consumers the highest number that they can to reach supply:demand equilibrium already, if they could charge more then they would regardless of how much poor people get paid.
The actual effect of wage increase is a negative correlation with wealth concentration and a higher money velocity, and in some cases a lower number of jobs, but the good outweighs the bad.
Do you have a source for these findings? Because the last 20 years I’ve lived through minimum wage increases, each time it led to the increase in the cost of living.
Ah yes, all of those federal minimum wage increases in the last 20 years. The many great examples such as the raise to $7.25 in 2009 and also the uh… erm… No, that’s it, actually.
Then the average Price of Goods fell for the next 3 consecutive years. Also, the inflation rate from 2005-2009 was 13.24% while the rate from 2008-2012 was 8.77% according to that same consumer price index data, you can use a calculator for it HERE.
So either Wage Increases decrease inflation and cause prices of goods to fall, or it has no measurable effect in the face of many factors which do actually affect those things.
I’m simply asking for a source and your reaction is to be a dick? Smooth. Also, you’re only referring to the federal wage increase. States have had their own minimum wage increases throughout the years and each time, the cost of goods would rise, causing the boost in minimum wage to fall flat eventually - and that’s what the original guy was referring to.
I guess your feelings are more important than logic, reason, and the sources that you specifically asked for. Sorry to upset your volatile emotions, enjoy your willful ignorance by your lonesome.
I never mentioned anything about my feelings, I asked for a source, and you instead acted like a child about it. The internet doesn’t need more assholes around, so if you’re going to act this way - just don’t bother responding. It’s not hard to just move on. Why are you so against stricter policies being placed on the wealthy to ensure they can’t just hike up prices whenever a wage increase is introduced, anyways? You know what, don’t answer that - you’re a douche. Enjoy your miserable life - it must be a sad life if you have to act like this towards someone looking for answers.
No need to increase prices if you convert all employees to perma-lancers and then eventually outsource the labor to another country.
Also, this article is written by a Wall Street trader and frequently says things like “A strong cohort of economists believe a national minimum wage increases inflation.” I’m not sure if this is the slam dunk you think it is. I’m not even against raising the minimum wage, but worker protections have to be done at the same time or else something’s got to give, and it’s not going to be profit.
It’s just about chasing a never ending profit that’s higher than last quarter’s profit. It was never about inflation, it’s the cancer that is unregulated capitalism.
Okay, but when you’re done griping about the inefficiency of humanity, we have some immediate solutions to immediate problems and all we need is some people to be on board and participate in good faith.
Which is why when Dems had their supermajority they passed a raise to minimum wage.
Do you remember what they did with that ~70 days they had to pass legislation? Affordable Care Act? Let’s not act like they don’t pass shit when we give them the legislative ability to do so. 51-49 that includes people like Sinema and Manchin is not a majority.
The vast majority of elected Democrats support and vote for raises to the minimum wage and codifying Roe. 100% of elected Republicans oppose those things, and it’s the Democrats that are failing us?
Healthcare is SO available and affordable now, huh?
Then you come in and say "but it wasn't even a real supermajority!"... that supermajority. Not even realizing you are saying even with a supermajority, there isn't one, because it's all the same muddle.
It must be exhausting for you to still shill that hard.
Register independent. Vote third party. It's our only hope to end Party Fascism.
Bro I’d have no insurance because I’ve had Covid ever right now if it wasn’t for the ACA.
Y’all need to take stock of what you’re taking for granted, because the fact that the fascists are taking stock for you right now should be all the fucking warning you need of what they’re going for next time we decide teaching the dems a lesson is more important than preventing an acceleration to fascism.
As opposed to letting the genocide come here too? Sure, without a second thought.
Unlike you I’m not inclined to hand my trans neighbors to the freedom defenders because not doing that involves the herculean feat of standing in line and checking some boxes.
Yall really just opened with "let the dems genocide the Palestinians because I'm afeared Trump will genocide me"... and you don't think that won't catch up with you...
I sympathize with your condition but challenge your conviction.
Mother fucker I am Palestinian. Don’t you dare start using my people’s corpses as set dressing for your cynical play at getting to keep calling yourself an ally without even doing the barest minimum of the work.
People who follow your “convictions” are what will see Palestine wiped from history when our people are hunted down even abroad because of who you let in.
You self righteous twats will burn us all as fuel for your endless crusade against a group of people who are never going to be hurt by the consequences of your actions.
People like this don’t have convictions. You can tell because they never advocate for actual improvements, its all just head-caved-in bullshit like this. “I wont support a genocide, so instead I’ll support MORE GENOCIDE because electoral politics requires actually thinking about things farther away than my belly button”
“I don’t like genocide, that’s why I am working as hard as I can to figure out what Donald meant by ‘Israel should finish the job.’ Something good, right? It isn’t like he has done Muslim bans in the past or anything.”
Bro do you remember what it was like before the ACA? I’m not saying it’s good now but I think you are showing a pretty stark lack of awareness for what it used to be like.
Your comment implied that you had lost your insurance because you no longer had a job.
If you can’t afford healthcare, be mad at the for profit companies making massive profits off of health care and companies who’ve stagnated wages since Regan.
But don’t be pissy at a president who advances healthcare in this country. The ACA did a LOT of good for MANY people.
No, my comment communicated that while I still have insurance, I cant get the medications I used to get, the copays have risen to what treatment used to cost, and the cost of treatment has become a guaranteed bankruptcy without said insurance.
ACA did not substantively change the healthcare system. It just loaded a fine onto not paying for healthcare if you are not employed, and forcing every unemployed American to pay for personal health insurance emboldened the healthcare system to start charging 100 dollars for "solid hydration therapy" aka: a cup of ice, to get all that extra money out of the insurance companies.
It was an epic failure. An epic failure comitted while not addressing minimum wage, row v wade, or a myriad of other things BOTH PARTIES have done to us, while we are meant to believe its just the Republicans doing it.
You could afford shelter…during the 2008 housing driven financial crisis? Everyone could afford shelter…until the system collapsed. That was kind of the whole problem. I fail to see how the ACA being passed caused your housing and food prices to go up.
Glad that you had employment based insurance. Before the ACA if you didn’t have insurance through your employer and you had conditions you were just fucked. They could deny your coverage. I guess you forgot about that?
Insurance is fucked because we’re finally paying the cost of care, rates and prices are fucked and broken across the board, and the insurance companies are savage vultures. None of that is BECAUSE of the ACA. It was all true before the ACA and is true now. The difference is millions more people have healthcare coverage.
So the ACA was a half measured failure of a waste of time.
Yes.
That was part of the point I was making.
Dems decided to do that instead of passing actual universal Healthcare, or minimum wage, or modifying Roe v Wade. Or addressing the rising cost of rent/mortgage. Or do ANYTHING of value.
Yeah I guess the GOP is blameless for all that right? Seriously the amount of leeway you people give the republicans is wild. The democrats are to blame for those things? The GOP voted unanimously against the ACA in all its forms and tried for a decade to repeal it. But sure the democrats not going far enough was the grievous sin.
You are wonderful at goalposts moving and refusing to stay on track. Just all the other Fascist Dem Shills.
This is a conversation about Democrats failure to increase minimum wage during their supermajority, but instead they spent all the time fining broke unemployed Americans for not being able to afford health insurance out of pocket.
Both parties have created this situation.
That is what I am saying.
"Vote blue no matter who, no matter what genocide, and everything will magically get better" is horse shit, and recent history shows that.
Register independent. Vote third party. It’s our only hope to instill Party Fascism.
FTFY
You’re naive af if you think voting 3rd party in the presidential elections will do anything more than entrench fascism into this country and likely solve your issue with party voting, just not how you want.
Yeah, anyone dumb enough to suggest voting 3rd party in the presidential elections should be mocked because their political opinions aren’t even worth wiping my ass with. And that’s the charitable interpretation of it.
I fully endorse going 3rd party at the local level and building up support for alternative candidates, but going straight for the president is a negative IQ move.
Post the stats on successful third party presidential campaigns, buddy. The closest was former VP Breckinridge. I guess running a campaign in 1860 that promised to continue slavery ensured the wealthy class in the south would push his campaign.
You have been deceived by others who want more fascism but pretend otherwise. Or you yourself are one of those.
No, I’m saying it’s ridiculously dumb that people thing democrats are heroic saviors when they do the bare minimum and maintain the status quo. I’m making fun of the trend that “if it weren’t for republicans the US would be a utopia”. But thanks for the strawman I guess.
If enough young adults actually voted so that the Repubs would be guaranteed to never win with a Trump candidate, the entire apparatus would have to move left.
Instead, young adults sit it out or throw votes away because of bothsidesing. So the brainwashed Fox News viewers (who actually will vote in every election) have been moving the whole thing rightward instead.
If your idea of taking the party back is “voting independent in the general” I think you have absolutely no idea how elections and parties work. You’re throwing your vote away. You wanna change the party? Run in or work for local elections. Build from the bottom up, not the top down.
The way to get the most votes is a younger progressive candidate.
How is saying the party should get as much votes as possible “whining”?
Is it because a younger progressive candidate isn’t who you want?
Tough shit
40% of the electorate is gen Z or Millenials.
And the majority of over 45 wants trump
You’re arguing against doing what the bulk of the Dem party wants, but some how I’m the one whining for wanting better than a coin flip chance to deal with trump anymore?
What the fuck is the logic you’re using for this shit?
No it’s because voting for a progressive third party candidate in the general election for federal office
doesn’t work
benefits republicans
is the prevailing wisdom of people like you
It’s mastubatory whining. You get to claim that anyone who cares about actual outcomes is somehow less pure than you while you are absolved of any of the responsibilities of your vote. You wanna pretend voting third party for president helps? Bully for you. It fucking doesn’t help progressives, it helped Trump get elected and it will do it again.
You get to claim that anyone who cares about actual outcomes is somehow less pure than you
That’s not the discussion.
The discussion is a younger more progressive candidate is what the base wants, so why aren’t we giving it to them?
40% of this electorate is either Gen Z or Millenial.
And over 45 years old is going to trump.
So why isn’t the DNC going after all those voters so that we can beat Trump?
Stop thinking about if you’re right and how people under 40 are “whining” and start thinking about the best way to beat Trump:
Running a popular candidate. Whether that means Biden starts listening to his voters and becomes more popular, or running someone less than 20 years over retirement age.
I just don’t understand the logic of:
This demographic wants progress, but fuck em we control the party so they have to vote for us. It would be crazy for us to give them what they want and guarantee victory. So we’ll call them babies and blame them when our unpopular candidates loses.
If moderates are the “adults in the room” why are they the ones who won’t entertain the idea of voting for something a little different they want if it guarantees victory?
Nah see you keep not addressing the point. Voting for a progressive third party in the general will not get you a progressive win. It won’t give the Democratic Party something to think about. It won’t show them that the voters want progressives. It will get you a Republican win. Somehow you’re still trying to dodge that reality. You build change from the bottom up, not the top down.
You seem to be getting down voted a lot for this comment, but I absolutely agree. The long term solution is to fix the DNC by replacing the corporate schills with progressives. In a city in NH in 2016 we were able to completely replace the local Democratic party with our people. It’s not even that hard, like 50 people vote in those elections.
Everyone should find out who runs their local and state Dems, and start working to replace them if they are garbage. Once the local and state chapters are taken over it won’t be hard to take the DNC
They certainly only want people who are going to vote for them to turn up.
I’m not sure what you mean by stole NH delegates.
I wish more people would vote down ballot. Rs almost always vote top to bottom of the ticket, Ds tend to only vote for names they’ve heard of. That’s why Republicans have taken control of so much local government. Democrats need to win the presidential race by a huge margin for enough of it to trickle down to local stuff.
Yes, the current DNC is there to work for the rich, just like the RNC. If we took over the party though, we could make it do whatever we wanted.
When the party took away NHs say in the Dem primary for something only their Republican state government can control.
I mean. Technically NH Dems could violated state law to keep the DNC happy like they asked, are you saying that’s what they should have done?
Because the most common sense explanation is they were made NH kept rejecting moderates like Clinton and Biden.
If we took over the party though, we could make it do whatever we wanted.
Which is what I’m saying to do, and if you haven’t noticed, the more we vote “blue no matter who” the more conservative candidates we get.
Because the DNC thinks anything left of republicans have to vote for them. From that misguided assumption. The party keeps moving right
It’s not working, it’s never worked, and to keep trying it would be fucking insanity.
Yet here we are.
If we are really willing to sacrifice anything to stop trump, why won’t Joe Biden and the DNC sacrifice anything they want?
Why do millions and millions of voters have to vote for someone they don’t want? Why can’t we run someone that agrees with the party platform and will work towards?
The party isn’t the important part, voters are. No matter how much either party tells you differently.
Except the Dems have controlled the house, Senate and Presidency since 2009…
I mean. 2021-2023 Biden had House and Senate majorities…
Did I miss something?
Was it that as soon as we had a majority just enough Dems said they wouldn’t vote with the party? And then party leaders saying “welp, trying would be pointless”?
Is that what I missed?
Don’t get me wrong, it should work the way your meme makes it sound. But unfortunately the rich bought out both parties awhile ago.
It’s why Biden and the DNC have their PAC, the Biden Victory Fund, that coordinates directly with the candidate and party, and you can give up to a million!
It cost Biden over a billion last election to barely win, this year they’re predicting it will cost 2 billion
The reason we’re told we’re tuck with bad candidates who take corporate money, is it costs that much to win and the only way to get is billionaires and corporations…
But that’s not true, only “moderates” need that to win.
Jimmy Carter didn’t need it. Bill Clinton didn’t need it, Obama didn’t need it…
Bernie was able to run a competitive primary against Hillary without it too.
I don’t know why people act like Hillary and Biden are normal, they’re terrible candidates voters don’t like, but we don’t have a say in it anymore. The DNC took Biden on a victory lap before the majority of states even voted.
Shit was still bad 20/30 years ago, but it wasn’t as bad as the last decade.
Like, I’ve never understood the rationale that because trump is so dangerous, we had to run candidates that voters from both parties strongly dislike.
people whining that obvious criticisms of biden are made "like clockwork" while offering absolutely no counterclaim happen "like fucking clockwork", because goddamn, you're so predictable.
Nah, you’re just stupid enough to fall for the posters bs. He’s got a long history of spreading misinformation and propaganda. But go ahead and keep drinking that kool aid champ.
circling the wagons and ignoring any criticism of democrats come hell or high water because their only possible source is clandestine trump supporters IS drinking the kool aid
There’s a reason the right have earned the label of the poorly educated. This guy doesn’t realize a simple majority in the senate isn’t enough to move legislation.
It’s covered endless in the political news cycles but morons cannot retain the information and spout the most banal nonsense as if they’re uncovering some grand conspiracy that they aline have discovered.
If such people could feel shame they would still spread their bullshit because they don’t realize how far down left side of intelligence the curve they are.
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That’s just greed. They’re doing that already. Prices right now are crazy high, BUT guess what else is? PROFITS. Record profits everywhere. That shit should be illegal.
Are the record profits still record after being adjusted for inflation?
Money is worth less now than it was this time last year.
Let’s say a profit of $1000 last year is equivalent to a profit of $1200 this year.
Have you made $200 more this year? Well, technically yes but it doesn’t quite have the same purchasing power as it would have if you made it last year instead
Yes, record profits after inflation. Don’t simp for the corporations, they don’t give a fuck about you. They’d rather see you die than give you a penny.
There is a mentality from Boomers and passed along to Gen X that full-time work does not entitle you to anything. That there are just millions of jobs in America that shouldn’t be required to pay people enough to live in the community they work, or anywhere for that matter. As long as that mentality aligns with the goals of capitalism, nothing will change.
You will hear all the excuses in the world justifying low-paying jobs. “Just get a better job if you don’t like the pay” “Those jobs are only for high school kids” “If they raise the pay they will raise the prices” The list goes on. None of them make a ton of sense if you explore the idea any further.
The idea of working hard and being, eventually, rewarded with good pay has been dead for decades. It is widely accepted that the easiest way to increase your pay is moving to a different company, which speaks a lot about longevity in this late-stage capitalism era most of us are living in today.
It’s pretty funny to me to see Americans claiming that a full-time job should be sufficient to have your basic needs met - as if the unemployed should live in dire poverty.
I would fully support some kind of UBI or someway to ensure that those who can’t work can live semi-independent lives. But in order for there to be money to support that system, a majority of people do have to work.
The alternative is some kind of utopian society that has yet to exist. If we make it to Star Trek and not Blade Runner I will fully embrace the idea that everyone can have all of their needs covered without the requirement for others to indirectly support that through labor and taxes. But until then, improving workers ability to support themselves also improves the ability to support those who cannot.
Where I’m from there has been a minimum income guarantee since 1965. In fact, the constitution says the government should ensure every resident has sufficient income to live. A single-person household with someone who is permanently unemployed receives about $1500 per month (you receive additional money per child). This is the lowest income a legal resident is allowed to have. Every rich European country has a similar system, though most opt to cover rent for the poorest, and give a smaller amount for the remaining expenses.
It turns out that willingness to work isn’t an issue, because most people don’t actually like to do nothing. The employment rate is far higher than in the US.
I agree that people sbould be able to live comfortably with their job, even a low skill one. But the idea that raising wages will mean increase prices does check out though. That, or people with higher skill jobs will be paid less and then they will be the ones to suffer the most.
Imo, we should aim to make things more efficient, thus cheaper because they actually became cheaper. E.g. solving the housing crisis => cheaper rent. Public healthcare => cheaper healthcare. Better schools => better citizens that leave less trash around => less expensive trash management. More public transport, less need to buy or do maintenance to a car etc. And so on and so forth.
Minimum wages can’t fix this problem (they can fix others), they’re just a bandaid on a severed limb.
This is how brainwashed capitalism has made us. In a society that is purely driven by money the thought that giving people their fair share means my prices might increase. Instead, we should fix every societal problem first before doing the one thing that would actually work.
We have record inflation now, is it because major cities have passed $15+ minimum wage? Not at all, not even a little. Further proof that a pandemic has a thousand times more influence than simply paying people more.
Oh and the horrible thought a “high” skilled laborer might be paid less shudder. Like a doctor might only get paid $90k instead of $150k. How could they survive!?
What other convenient tropes should we trot out to disfranchise the only real solution of just paying people what they deserve. Oh that’s right they don’t deserve it because they are lazy or low-skilled or any of the other bullshit excuses we have been force fed our entire lives.
Eh I think you missed my point entirely. And, by the way, being a doctor is simply put very hard, that’s why they’re paid more than people who flip burgers who just flip burgers, and doctors are also rarer and I believe you want to have a good doctor don’t you? Because he’s simply going to get up and leave to another place where he is paid properly if you don’t pay him a good wage. Also, you don’t make any actual good points in your long answer.
I didn’t miss your point because it was sophomoric in nature and therefore underdeveloped. Your belief in the meritocracy just shows how ridiculously brainwashed you are. It is okay, most of us are one way or another I suppose.
You are really reaching there Mr. I buy the rhetoric hook line and sinker. It is clear who is bitter here and it is not the accomplished father of four who owns a million dollar house. Good talking with you.
My answer is more radical. Tie their tax breaks to the linearly interpolated value of the median wage in the company between minimum wage and whatever is actually a living wage. At halfway between the two they get an equilibrium point, below it is a harsh penalty, above is an increasing percentage of their tax break. Wonder how long it would take of McDonalds owing an obscene penalty on their taxes before they started actually paying employees.
I would also be in favor of levying MASSIVE corporate tax penalties for every employee on government assistance. At this point, government programs are less socialism for the people and more socialism for the likes of WalMart.
When applied to multinationals, it would result in companies exporting high skill jobs overseas to bring pay down. Would need to legislate behavior as well to stop companies trying to get around it
I like this idea. It reduces my primary concern with raising the minimum wage, that it would cause a dramatic and hard to control increase in the inflation rate. Inflation/Cost off of living would increase, but it would probably be controllable under these circumstances.
I like the idea of rent prices being tied directly to pay, maybe a straight %. It would be complicated, but pitting greedy landlords up against greedy businesses sound much more fair than getting fucked from both sides.
Landlords want to make the most money, but if what they can charge was directly tied to minimum wage, they will actually fight to raise pay. Not for altruism or any positive reason, but because they want to increase their own revenue.
It’s not a great idea, but it’s something I’ve thought about for a decade or so. Especially when that “Fight for $15” took so long to that even if $15 was the minimum wage, it would still be way behind to cost of living.
Landleeches can get fucked as far as I am concerned. Implement a chit system like NYC taxies so only a fixed number of single family homes can be rentals in a town, make strict livability (not habitability) standards for those rentals with steep fines and inspections every 2 years, and cap rent at a % of the real value of the property. You let a house languish so it is only worth $40k, you don’t get to charge $2k/month to live there.
It’s not like I’m pro landlord. But, being realistic about a capitalist society, pitting those with opposing interests to fight one another is so much better than both of those things existing uncheck and us being the victim.
Yeah, I agree that it would be popcorn worthy, but I also have a strong suspicion that doing that would end up getting gamed by both and consumers would have compounding losses.
And somehow there always seems to be just enough of these “mOdErAteS” to kneecap a Democratic majority from doing what they promised when they get power.
It’s why big business donates to both parties. Even democrats can be fooled by the corporate propaganda and they all got fundraising targets to meet if they want to keep their seat.
The same Dem everyone dragged for being a Dem in name only almost as soon as she started voting dogshit completely contrary to what she ran on? The same Dem who literally left the party because she was never anything more than a corporate shill too corrupt even for the milquetoast neoliberals in the Democratic Party?
There are a lot of US states that have skirted union protections by not banning unions themselves, but just banning workplaces from requiring union membership for employees. It’s called a “right to work” law that is implemented many different ways in many different states that makes unions a hard thing to nail down for the federal government.
As far as a federal ban on these laws, I think we are more in a position of fighting against a federal version of them, which is more likely to have support, than we are in a position to fight for a federal ban against those laws, though there are efforts.
You are right both sides aren’t the same. But by absolute standards, both sides are really really bad and I think that’s a fair assessment all things considered. One has to be better than the other, but both are bad.
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