ekuber,
@ekuber@hachyderm.io avatar

" development is going too fast (because they are stabilizing features I don't care about) and going too slow (because they are not stabilizing features I care about!"

There are only so many contributors, hours in a day, days in a year to get to everything now, and some features are reliant on other, less flashy work that needs to happen before they can be even attempted.

But people are putting in a lot of work, the codebase changes so quickly that it is hard to keep up.

ekuber,
@ekuber@hachyderm.io avatar

If you think we're too fast, look at the release notes and tell us what we shouldn't be landing.

If you think we're too slow, look at the release notes and tell us nothing is happening.

manpacket,
@manpacket@functional.cafe avatar

@ekuber I maintain a tool that uses rustc to do some useful things and I have to apply some workarounds to deal with rustc not providing some of the information. Workarounds lead to behavior confusing to users so I decided to make a fix upstream. I ended up submitting about 5 pull requests - some fixing related bugs and closing existing tickets and one with change I actually care about that depends on the rest. Bugfixes got merged, change I care about was approved more than a month ago but still sits in FCP stage.

ekuber,
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@manpacket has there been any feedback on the fcp yet? Wrangling checkbox ticking can be difficult (particularly from users with lots of notifications). Do not forget that the backcompat requirements of the project are so high that it's hard to gain confidence or agreement on any user visible change. It's not ideal.

ekuber,
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@manpacket by the way, thank you for rolling up your sleeves and working on it.

My rant was directed at people who don't, yet volley critiques that are not borne from reality. Your concerns are very real.

manpacket,
@manpacket@functional.cafe avatar

@ekuber but yea, checkboxes are very slow...

ekuber,
@ekuber@hachyderm.io avatar

@manpacket yes.

Feel free to send me the link to the RFC and I'll take a look at it.

ironchamber,
@ironchamber@mastodon.esmevane.com avatar

@ekuber Oh wow is this really stuff y'all have to endure? Oof! So sorry to all those folks getting excellent free shit at the wrong pace I guess 🤷

ekuber,
@ekuber@hachyderm.io avatar

@ironchamber it is very common in open source. I just saw someone complaining that there won't be a Rust 2.0 and using that as proof that the project had ground to a halt 🤷🏻‍♂️

Everyone has an opinion, which I've learned to pick apart for actual useful feedback, but every now and then I see something soon off the mark that it is not even wrong.

nilstrieb,
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@ekuber Rust development is too fast, they bump the number every 6 weeks instead of every 6 months!

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