ydieb,

I wish they put up more requirements regarding train travel between densely populated areas.

Resethel,
@Resethel@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah, public transport is the most viable solution for the masses, but that also mean taking money out of the ends of firms (subsidies, infrastructure, etc.), which is not gonna happen without re-thinking our economy

ydieb,

No. The more efficient the public transport is, the more money will circulate to firms. So not doing it costs more.

Resethel,
@Resethel@lemmy.world avatar

For sure it will be beneficial for many industries but I’d argue that it will severely impact (in a positive way) the transport industry, and the oil and gas industry as well. Since they have the strongest lobbying force, it’s going to be quite hard to go against them.

Moreover, it may upset the distribution chains e.g., it might be hard to do « right-on-time » stock management when waiting for a train to be fully loaded before chipping, etc.

In my opinion, money will circulate better, but to the detriment of those big industry, hence why it’s so hard for politicians to act on it.

ydieb,

So some big companies that deserve no pity will earn less. Will they be opposed to it, of course, but that does not change anything of what we should push for.

How hard it is to implement is an entirely different discussion though.

Resethel,
@Resethel@lemmy.world avatar

Entirely agree, they deserve absolutely no pity, especially since it’s mostly their capital owners that will loose the most.

As you stated the issue in the end is how hard are we ready to fight for it

LexiconDexicon,

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  • Onionizer,

    Should be burn more oil instead, making entire regions in Africa unlivable?

    PaulDevonUK,
    @PaulDevonUK@lemmy.world avatar

    How much are you getting paid to peddle this “EV’s BAD” BS?

    sonovebitch,

    I’m all for green energies and all. But in his defense, in the vast majority of presentationss/documentaries/panflets for “replace fossil fuel with electric”, they nearly never openly take into consideration how fucking bad for the environment and the local populations mining rare minerals used in batteries is.

    So yeah, let’s stop using non reusables, but also let’s acknowledge and openly talk about it.

    gornar,
    @gornar@lemmy.world avatar

    I love how it’s only a problem when the auto and oil industries are threatened, and totally ignored for decades for phone, tablet and laptop batteries.

    Shikadi,

    We can and do talk about it, but it’s not valid to use it as a talking point against electrification. There is tons of research being done to reduce dependency on lithium and the likes. Chances are, the people who own the mines are banding together to lobby against it too. To the LexiconDexicon, be constructive, don’t just talk shit that helps no one.

    dpkonofa,

    That’s not entirely true and there are several companies now that can recycle the lithium used on batteries.

    kadu,
    @kadu@lemmy.world avatar

    Well, the true solution is robust public infrastructure and abandoning personal cars.

    But then people freak out and reject any proposal because cars are beyond a fetish at this point. Which leaves either migrating to electric cars and trying to improve the battery technologies, or keep burning fossil fuels as if we aren’t at the brink of collapse.

    WiredSlumber,

    Frankly, personal cars should not be legal for most people, they are a massive problem in more ways than just the environmental damage. But at this point people are so in love with their cars, that it would take a miracle to change that dependence.

    shanghaibebop,

    Why ban them? Just tax them as luxury items like what Singapore does and slap tolls on all roads like what Japan does. Tokyo has wonderful roads and very little traffic for such a large city.

    HidingCat,

    You still need more than that, speaking as someone from Singapore. We still have a stupid car-oriented mindset here.The whining every time the COE goes up...

    sonovebitch,

    Still not a fan of “if you’re poor, fuck you”. But yes, there must be a middle ground somewhere.

    SamsonSeinfelder,

    Does lemmy already support blocking user like that?

    jungle,

    Yes

    JohnDClay,

    You taking about cobalt? Cobalt free batteries are possible, and even economically viable. Tesla is already using them. Or are you taking about another component?

    BobKerman3999,

    I would like to read what you have to say about any oil company history

    Shikadi,

    There is no ethical consumption under capitalism, buzz off

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