Danterious

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Danterious,

I found it. You have to press the communities tab at the top of your instance and press all

Danterious, (edited )

Is there a way to see all the communities on your instances c/all?

Edit: Nvm it is at the top of the page.

Danterious,

If you say that someone is stupid it seems you are suggesting that something is fundamentally off with their ability to reason (ie intelligence). If it is a fundamental problem like that then developing the ability to think critically would do diddly squat. In that scenario (If everyone was stupid) the best and only thing you could do would be to ignore them and dismiss their views.

Edit: I am not completely sure in this comment so I am just putting that out there.

Danterious,

The end result is the same but the solution would be different.

Danterious,

Start with who you can and work from there.

Danterious,

What does a safe space mean to you and how would you redefine it? What expectations do you think people have of safe spaces and in what ways should they change?

FYI: sorry for asking a lot of questions. I am trying to get a better sense of what you think could be done to improve these ideas.

Danterious,

What do you think would be a good way to make sure that they are less likely to become echo chambers or do you think this way of interacting is doomed to make them echo chambers?

Danterious,

This is why both safe spaces and public spaces are needed so that ideas/behaviors have one place to form/grow and another to negotiate with other ideas/behaviors.

The way that each of these spaces is moderated becomes important.

Danterious,

Safe spaces are tools. Tools can be used for good and bad.

The same way that terrorists use E2EE chats doesn’t mean that we should ban them.

Danterious,

When I say “constructive dissent” I mean building on top of someone else ideas not just pointing out flaws in their ideas. I think that if someone suggested something that made the idea better people would be more than happy to take that and roll with it.

Danterious,

lemmy.world users can’t see the Beehaw community.

Edit: And I have only posted this in two communities.

Danterious,

Exactly the point that I wanted to get across.

Danterious,

Do you think that there should be something visually different between the two or do you think the sub-rules would be enough to clarify to people what kind of space it should be?

Danterious,

I think that people (as in a group of people) can be both really dumb (groupthink) or really smart (collective wisdom) it just depends on how they are networked with each other.

I linked this post in another comment but it is also relevant to this.

post: lemmy.world/post/2607525

Danterious, (edited )

I wonder where we disagree?

I agree with you and to add on here is a youtube video about that exact same topic:

Social Rationality

Edit: added name of video

Danterious,

No problem.

Danterious,

I still agree with you and I made a post on another account about a very similar thing.

post: lemmy.world/post/2607525

Danterious, (edited )

I’m fairly certain “ban plastic straws” got so much traction because it diverted from actual issues.

This is a tactic first used (and probably popularized) by the CCP to drown out dissent. It is called the 50 cent party.

They shift the focus off of specific events like uprisings and riots to things that are more palatable like parades and philosophical discussions.

And what makes it worse is that the more people know about it the more effective it is because it just makes the public distrust others more and default to whatever the social norm is which is CCP control.

I bet that other countries and corporations do the same thing and use the idea of bots to sow distrust in the general public.

Edit: The false premise would be that intelligent alien life is on earth and the government has been able to hide it this well. I bet that it is likely that somewhere in the cosmos there is at least a proto-proto bacteria floating in a shallow pond minding its own business.

Danterious, (edited )

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Danterious,

That’s fair. I would hope that someone who has a genuine constructive criticism would be able to communicate it, but it might not hurt to have a rule reminding them to acknowledge and affirm the core concept before providing criticism. I can see how someone being a little curt and just voicing the criticism might come across as being anti- whatever the topic is.

They don’t necessarily have to outright right say I agree with the core concept in every comment but instead they could add on to what is being said. For example, if someone came to me with real criticism about an idea I had but didn’t at least try to offer anything on how to make the idea better it can come across in an online forum as being contrarian or argumentative instead of constructive.

No disrespect to the folks at beehaw, I may still make an alt account there. I appreciate what they’ve built, but it wasn’t the best fit for what I was looking to join. Ideally I’d be able to participate in their communities with this account, but I totally understand why they defederated with lemmy.world.

That’s fine but I mean why not join an instance that is federated with both of them?

Edit: wording

Danterious, (edited )

It isn’t about creating a space in society that excludes those that think differently (diversity of thought is good) but rather allowing ideas from people that are marginalized to develop and grow without constant criticism which can be tiring and excessive for the people that are fending them off. There are times and places when both are important and how it is implemented is the key aspect of whether it creates polarized echo chambers or something that makes the ideas in that community better.

Edit: echo chamber -> polarized echo chambers

Danterious,

I actually cross-posted this post into Beehaw’s chat community, but thanks for the suggestion.

Also, in an online forum at least, it is really hard to decipher intent so the actual content of the text matters a lot. so communicating criticisms without adding anything more than that just leads to the conversation not going anywhere.

PS: In a slightly unrelated question why did you decide to stay on lemmy.world since it seems like you might want to discuss with the Beehaw community as well?

Danterious,

That’s why I included the words informal, but I get your point I hope it doesn’t become too bureaucratic and is just a place for admins to build trust and communication with each other so federation/defederation is a more conscious decision.

Danterious,

I think you would like this video.

Social rationality

Edit: by the way I think you bring an interesting viewpoint and I thank you for the effort put into this comment.

Danterious,

Ok great.

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