doggle,

Klim could save a lot of bad pr by just blowing the airbag anyway and sending a bill for the remaining value of the vest after the fact.

But then you’re just financing a vest and that’s not a fancy buzzword that makes the c-suite cream their pants.

thecookingsenpai,
@thecookingsenpai@lemmy.world avatar

Literallly Cloudpunk irl

Track_Shovel,

Sorry grandma, you didn’t pay for your oxygen tank subscription; we are turning off the taps

Churbleyimyam,

I’m not even outraged by this stuff any more. If you’re ok with subscription models it’s your own fault.

Zoidberg,

It is outrageous because if a sufficient number of people accept this bullshit, it becomes a viable and profitable business model and every provider moves into it. Basically people like me who run away from subscriptions like the devil end up without a choice.

scoobford,

Exactly. I’m not okay with my car spying on me, but enough people don’t know or don’t care that I no longer have that option.

Churbleyimyam,

I think that you, me and zoidberg from the previous reply should go into business together making retrofit steering wheel airbags for older cars.

MystikIncarnate,

Personal safety systems as a service.

What’s next? Air as a service? Don’t pay and we’ll turn off your oxygen?

bitwolf,

My mother, an asthmatic, jokes that Air is already a subscription service 🙂

lightnsfw,

How often does it check… If you’re out in the middle of nowhere and it can’t get a wifi signal is it going to let you die?

oatscoop,

This is 100% speculation, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it checks the length of the subscription when connected to a network, then tracks that with a built in clock. There’s also incentive to frequently connect it to a network since the company constantly “updates the algorithm” it uses to detect crashes and deploy.

I suspect it would stop working once you hit the end of whatever period it knows you’re “paid up” for.

CADmonkey,

Of course it’s made by KLIM. Someone is probably over on ADVrider right now vehemently defending this vest and it’s whale foreskin leather.

FellowEnt,

Mate of mine said it was controversial but the subscription is to opt into their telemetry feedback system and improve the algorithm via firmware updates. When they go off when they shouldn’t you’re gonna have a bad time. He did not mention the remote bricking part, yikes.

Linkerbaan,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

If you can’t afford healthcare consider not riding a motorbike.

oatscoop,

When I was broke the only motor vehicle I owned was a motorcycle – it was significantly cheaper than a car.

doggle,

If you can’t afford healthcare you likely can’t afford a car either.

MystikIncarnate,

… Or move somewhere with universal healthcare…

daltotron,

I’ve known about this for a while and it’s just been mundane to me. It never struck me how stupid it is until now.

Just buy the bungee corded one with the pull string that they make, that’s probably better anyways.

Danterious,

What annoys me about this is that it implicitly says that if you have more money you deserve to be safer.

Llamadramas,

I mean, more expensive cars have more safety features. You pay to be safer.

Danterious,

Is that a good thing?

NeatNit,

Sometimes, we must face reality. Newly developed safety features are a selling point and people do pay more for safer cars. If law dictated (and enforced) that all cars must have the exact same safety features, there would be no financial incentive to develop better safety, or much less incentive at least. In reality, car safety features are one of the few examples of things actually trickling down: today’s cheapest cars have safety features that at some point only existed in the most expensive luxury cars. This is fine.

None of this applies to whatever the fuck the original post is about though.

Danterious,

Sometimes, we must face reality.

Why would I accept a reality that I think is fucked? No I am not gonna do that.

None of this applies to whatever the fuck the original post is about though.

Yeah but side tangents are fun.

NeatNit,

Why would I accept a reality that I think is fucked? No I am not gonna do that.

I claim that this particular aspect of reality is actually fine, definitely acceptable and possibly even good. As I said, new/better car safety features do reach the cheapest models within a number years, making it a net good. Of all the things car companies do wrong, such as privacy, I really don’t think this is one of them.

As for directly answering you, “Why would I accept a reality that I think is fucked?” – I think I’m misinterpreting you when I interpret that as you basically living outside of reality. That’s an option, I don’t think it’s a good one.

Danterious,

When I say accept I mean any of the first 4 definitions from Merriam Webster excluding 3c.

Of all the things car companies do wrong, such as privacy, I really don’t think this is one of them.

My problem isn’t with car companies it is with capitalism just to make it clear what I am against.

NeatNit,

Alright then :)

Thanks for being my first non-toxic conversation on Lemmy :D

HawlSera,

That’s gotta be illegal, isn’t it LITERALLY EXTORTION to lock a REQUIRED SAFETY FEATURE behind a paywall?

Imagine if the Fire Extinguisher at your workplace had a fucking credit card slot next to it.

Glowstick,

This isn’t a required safety device

fidodo,

The monthly subscription model leaves me feeling so very conflicted. On one hand, it’s a way to get an important piece of safety equipment for less money up front, which is good—there’s certainly cheaper airbag vests, but there’s more expensive ones, too.

No, no, there’s nothing conflicting here. If you need expensive safety equipment that you can’t afford up front there’s already a solution for that, it’s called financing. There is no upside to this, it’s just unethical, irresponsible, and dumb.

Gladaed,

Financing can have a higher interest. It is not this easy, but also not too hard.

fidodo,

Having a never ending subscription has even higher interest.

Gladaed,

Safety equipment has a limited lifetime and you may only ride the motorcycle for a limited time.

MystikIncarnate,

IMO, for a safety system, anything sitting between the device’s sensors (to say it’s time to deploy the safety system, regardless of what it is), and the actual deployment of that safety system, is too many things sitting between those systems. There’s should always be a direct and uninterrupted connection from the safety deployment sensors and the safety deployment system. Nothing in between so the delay in deployment is as close to zero as possible, with no complications that could, in any way, shape, or form, delay or otherwise interrupt the connection between those two systems.

I really wonder what the mechanism for this license model is, I’m sure their engineers are intelligent and there’s no obvious issues, but say, for example, the sensors that trigger the airbag and the airbags deployment trigger, has something like a relay in between. The relay is controlled by a management computing device that has verified the license and so it closes the relay (so everything works). Say, for example, during a crash, one of the first things that happens is that you’re struck with debris, and in that debris is a very small, very powerful magnet. It happens to land, right where that relay sits, and because of where it impacts, it causes the relay to open… Disabling the airbag. You get wrecked because you were hit with a magnet.

I’m sure that is not realistic and they’re not using a magnetic based relay for something like this, but I think it demonstrates the point. Anything sitting between (detect) and (deploy) is a risk to life and limb. That includes, but is not limited to, lines of code, relays, disconnects, computers, electronic lockouts, switches, and buttons. Even significant lengths of wire, more than a few inches could be a problem due to induced current or the risk of them being pulled and/or broken. Ideally, the system for detecting that it should deploy and the deployment mechanisms trigger should be in the same, protected box or chassis on the vest, with nothing in-between to inhibit the signal. IMO, the only good way to do this kind of lockout is to control the arming/disarming of the system, where when the system arms (and therefore ready to be used and secure the life and limb of the user), it checks for the presence of a license, first locally (with a license that has been cached that informs when the subscription is set up expire, if that expiry is after now, then arm), and failing that (expiry is before now), check for a license via a link through the app to the web and/or service provider. Providing useful feedback to the user about the system and whether it has armed correctly and therefore ready to deploy.

Have they done it this way? I don’t know. I don’t trust that they have. I’d rather pay more for a safety system and not have it require a subscription than pay monthly to use the system and potentially have it fail a fucking license check when I need it the most. Bluntly, I don’t trust them to get this right. So fuck this, fuck them, and fuck anyone who supports this with their money. Any company putting a financial condition on the safety of your life isn’t a company that should continue to operate.

All of this is to say nothing of: what happens if the license servers fail? Can’t check in for a new license at renewal time because the servers are fucked… Well, good luck in that crash you’re about to have. 🖕

Fucking idiotic to trust a subscription model with your life.

driving_crooner,
@driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br avatar

Imagine you are in an accident and the server go off and you get killed while paying for that?

CADmonkey,

Or sn accident in a tunnel, where there isn’t a connection.

beachbum1972,

I stumbled across this article when I saw this post. Not great, but not quite as bad as this post would lead us to believe. 👍🏻 (Also, subscription based services suck)

jalopnik.com/this-dystopian-biker-airbag-crash-ve…

x2XS2L0U,

I use a 350€ manual airbag vest that was tested quite well

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