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Evu, in [Meta] Server migration and update to 0.18.2 seems to be a success šŸ¤ž

Iā€™m using Digital Ocean right now, and there are some things I like about them and some things I donā€™t. Mind if I ask your opinions of your old and new hosts?

andrew,
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Not at all, Iā€™ve been using Digital Ocean for years and still do for some sites. Their admin panel is fantastic and they have a lot of really convenient features (one of my favorites that I miss is their CDN, Spaces, and how seamlessly it handles SSL). I recommend them still for ease of use, but have been moving away for 2 reasons:

  • Cost. Their prices are increasing, in a world where hardware costs are otherwise going down, and thatā€™s on top of already high-ish prices. DO is good but if I wanted to pay Iā€™d at least want to get the reliability and ecosystem of AWS etc. $6-7/mo for a 1 vCPU/1GB ram VPS is too much for a ā€œtier 2ā€ provider and youā€™ll easily need to move to $12-14/mo for what I think should be base (1 vCPU/2GB ram).

    Comparatively, Hetznerā€™s base US config is $5/mo for 2 vCPU/2GB, already better than DOā€™s upgrade. Their next level is like $9/mo for 3 vCPU/4GB ram and the differences become exponential the higher you go. The value is fantastic and there are cheaper deals if you donā€™t mind an EU datacenter.

  • IP credibility. I didnā€™t realize this beforehand but Iā€™ve been running my own email server on DO for 4 years and their IP credibility is sadly not good. Worse than competitors, and Iā€™ve had a lot of issues getting caught in spam filters and working with providers to re-whitelist my IP. This is with DMARC/etc all setup properly. Apparently their IP blocks have been used by bad actors a lot and we pay that price.

Hetzner has been really good so far and their admin panel is solid, not as easy and feature-rich as DOā€™s but still very good. Their value and reliability has been great so far IME and Iā€™ve moved my other federated services there.

FWIW Iā€™m also using Backblaze B2 and would recommend them too.

Happy to answer any specific questions too!

Evu,

Appreciate it! Iā€™ve bookmarked this post so I can come back to it next time Iā€™m thinking about switching.

Most of my sites see very little traffic, so Iā€™m not worried about a lack of processing power, but I am worried about overpaying. When DO increased the price of their basic droplet a year or two ago, my reaction was that Iā€™d already been paying for something I wasnā€™t getting full use out of.

Plus I occasionally see something that makes me think DO doesnā€™t have their act together. Like, the RSS feed for their status blog was broken for the better part of a year. They were still posting statuses, and they knew the feed was broken, it just took them that long to fix it.

On the other hand, their documentation and tutorials are great, which I definitely value. And, letā€™s be honest, Iā€™m settled and comfortable and it would probably take something significant to motivate me to move.

A couple of my sites (including HouseDraft which Iā€™ve linked here before) are hosted at NearlyFreeSpeech instead. It costs about $20/year for a mostly-static site, but the company seems to be run by grumpy, opinionated old sysadmins whom I hope I never have to ask for help. Thereā€™s a question in their FAQ that asks ā€œIs your service easy to use?ā€ and the answer is ā€œNo.ā€

andrew,
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Yes I agree with all of this, most of mine see very little traffic as well. I have personal Pixelfed/Mastodon instances that are basically me talking to myself and even at their lowest tiers I just canā€™t justify the price anymore sadly. $14/mo for just the Mastodon droplet and backups (Rails needs at least 2GB of RAM to compile assets!) just isnā€™t sustainable. Moving was a huge pain and I stayed with DO for the same reason you said (and I think thatā€™s totally fine), but I finally broke recently when I could cut the price to 1/3 at Hetzner.

Big +1 on DOā€™s docs/guides too, Iā€™ve used their guides on nginx, certbot, and many others quite a bit and theyā€™re very well maintained.

Iā€™ve variously come across NearlyFreeSpeech before and for tiny static sites that seems like a great deal. I actually may even prefer the grumpy sysadmins at this phase šŸ˜œ

calvinball, in [Meta] Server migration and update to 0.18.2 seems to be a success šŸ¤ž
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[[Herd Migration]]

mike, in [Meta] Server migration and update to 0.18.2 seems to be a success šŸ¤ž
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[[Migration Path]]

calvinball, in [Meta] Updates on our server migration
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Thanks for all your work, admins, youā€™re doing great šŸ˜ø good luck with the server migration!

andrew,
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Thanks @calvinball!

andrew, in New accounts now require approval, cleaning up spam accounts
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Quick update: spam users have just been purged and the site stats have been updated (note in the homepage sidebar that the user count is now correct).

Next up we'll be running some queries to remove all the redundant data associated with those spam accounts but this won't affect the site at all.

Brage, in New accounts now require approval, cleaning up spam accounts

27k!? Impressive! I haven't noticed any spam at all.

Evu, in New accounts now require approval, cleaning up spam accounts

27,000, jeez. Appreciate all the behind-the-scenes work that you guys do.

hsiale, in Federation now working correctly!

Are we by default federated with all instances unless you set it up otherwise, by default not federated unless both instances agree, or something else? Do you expect this instance to be widely federated do that people can subscribe to any content they are interested in? About half of subreddits I was subscribed to were MtG related, do it is easy for me to register here, but communities on my other hobbies will most likely get created somewhere else.

PS At least for a while a community for people new to Lemmy/Fediverse to ask all the beginner questions could be useful. Unless there already is one on some federated instance.

andrew,
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I believe the Lemmy default is to allow federation anywhere, which is how it is here (no blocklists or allowlists).

Currently if you subscribe to non-MTG communities hosted elsewhere using your @mtgzone.com account, youā€™d see those subscriptions on your homepage here at mtgzone.com.

Iā€™ve been thinking about this since we set it up over the weekend and I think thatā€™s expected behavior and the most likely to help this grow. Users should be free to use their account to follow whatever theyā€™re interested in, and while we host MTG-related content in our communities and will not expand the server outside of Magic content, that shouldnā€™t restrict users from using their account to follow what they want hosted elsewhere (and viewable in their account here).

The alternatives are:

  1. For everyone to maintain multiple accounts (hisale@mtgzone.com for mtg content, hsiale@lemmy.ml for other stuff, etc). This seems untenable.
  2. Not allow anyone to signup here for an account and require registration at other instances. This too seems counterintuitive and user-hostile.

Great point on beginner questions and setting up a general FAQ, Iā€™ll try to draft something up with a bit of a angle towards people here and sticky it.

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