BeigeAgenda,
@BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca avatar

When does the FAA start grounding 737’s or all Boeing planes?

j4k3,
@j4k3@lemmy.world avatar

Nationalize Boeing

teamevil,

That’s why they had to kill the whistle blower, he knew where the video was

BrikoX,
@BrikoX@lemmy.zip avatar

He was in the middle of the testimony when he died. That is a more likely reason.

He quit Boeing long before the accident aircraft was built and delivered to the airline, let alone repaired.

JohnDClay,

CCTV cameras have a surprisingly short recording time before they record over themselves. With cheap disk storage, you’d think they could record for weeks and weeks before overwriting.

MNByChoice,

There is even a line of hard drives specifically made cheap and dense for security footage.

fishos,
@fishos@lemmy.world avatar

So if you don’t have any records then you can’t prove it was done properly and the assumption should be on the fault of Boeing.

Maalus,

Not how it works. They are innocent until proven beyond a reasonable doubt, that they are guilty. Not having a recording doesn’t make them guilty. The recording itself though, probably would.

SpaceNoodle,

The default assumption is that they didn’t do something, and there’s no evidence that they did the thing.

childOfMagenta,

They are guilty of not keeping aircraft maintenance records for one year, which is the law.

MrEff,

But that isn’t the case here. The FAA is very clear, you must have the documents or you are in the wrong. That is it. You are only innocent by having the documents. To pass off a plane are good but not have its documents very clearly puts them guilty. There is no gray area here. The FAA and NTSB are very clear about this and who is at fault. When planes change hands or get work done, everything must be documented or it never happened. To then sell a plane and claim it was up to any spec, but without it being documented, then it isn’t up to spec.

The only way to prove they are innocent is to have those documents. The documents were audited, they didn’t have them, so they are being charged. They have been shown beyond any reasonable doubt that they did not have the required documents, otherwise there would have been no charges. The only way to prove their innocents is to show the documents that they failed to show in the audit, that they didn’t have, that lead to the charges. The reasonable doubt was already established when they failed the audit.

KevonLooney,

People who say “innocent until proven guilty” have never had to work in a regulated industry. You have to have all your licenses and documentation available for inspection at all times.

Even barbers and restaurants have these requirements. No, you can’t just say “it’s around here somewhere”. You need to know where it is.

CMDR_Horn,
@CMDR_Horn@lemmy.ml avatar

I can’t speak for their specific regulations, but setting that data retention to only 24 hours because you don’t want to have evidence of culpability stored for a long time is a good way to go.

zcd,

Who had “Boeing leverages their too-big-to-fail status to cover up gross negligence and murder” on their worst timeline bingo card?

PriorityMotif,
@PriorityMotif@lemmy.world avatar

We could eliminate 90% of air travel if business people could use zoom and email.

cmbabul,

Goddamnit! I had Lockheed for murder and Raytheon for gross negligence

zcd,
bibliotectress,

It’s not like I thought Boeing were one of the “good guys,” but this is all blowing my mind.

nepenthes,
@nepenthes@lemmy.world avatar

Pretty terrifying Doc on NF about Boeing called Downfall: The Case Against Boeing

bfg9k,

Boeing is collapsing from internal rot, really sad to see

Splatterphace,

I’ll take “Obvious Cover-ups” for $500, Alex.

STOMPYI,

Boeing murdered the whistleblower!

PumpkinEscobar,

Woopsie!

South Park “we’re sorry” image goes here

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