RunAwayFrog

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RunAwayFrog,

Click the “more” button (three vertical dots), then the flag button!

RunAwayFrog,

I do think it is the future of filesharing

In internet years, Torrenting is old. I2P is old. Even torrenting in I2P is old. Nothing about this is “the future”.

Ideally, the future of file sharing would involve a fully/natively integrated anonymous network with content-addressable distributed filesystem.

But this will probably not happen, as that architecture didn’t see large scale success before, except in Japan where at least some elements of this architecture are used in their popular P2P networks.

The I2P crowd themselves tried with Tahoe-LAFS, but that was never really a network, even aMule over I2P had more traction, and by traction I mean tens or hundreds of users, not thousands or beyond.

Ironically, the one content-addressable distributed filesystem that gained some attraction (outside Japan) is IPFS, which doesn’t offer anonymity, or replication, or anything special really. Yet for some reason, some hype-susceptible techies liked it, together with the NFT crowd, a great fit.

The future of file sharing will depend on where most content will land where it will be easily accessible and quickly grabbable. How those networks will look like? Nobody knows.

RunAwayFrog,

Yes. That was what I’m alluding to when I wrote:

that architecture didn’t see large scale success before, except in Japan

Perfect Dark is a major network in Japan. Freenet is a network most people in the globe are not aware of. Hell, Perfect Dark may have a larger Japanese user-base than Freenet’s global one.

It’s worth mentioning that the former leader of the Freenet project wasn’t the most competent. Combine that with him spending years trying (and failing) to cater to the needs of imaginary dictatorships’ defectors (anyone of them using Freenet instead of Tor is the imaginary part), instead of focusing on maximizing the reliability and performance of the network to help its actual users. So it’s not just the ignorance of the masses that was at fault. The default FN user experience was often a horrible one. And users needed to ignore the officially-recommended microblog/forum applications, and even use a patched FN version, to get a decent performance out of the network.

Anyway, Freenet is the past and the present. And as I wrote in the parent comment, I hope a Freenet-like network would become a major success in the future, but I’m not holding my hopes up.

RunAwayFrog,

Or “Hyphanet” as it’s now called.

wtf, I missed that news.

RunAwayFrog,

Your information is a few years outdated. lineageOS neither comes rooted, nor does it offer a native way to root anymore. Magisk became a thing with a whole community around it. It’s an unlocked bootloader hider, root manager (and hider), and a system patcher, all wrapped up in one tool.

With Magisk, you give root access to the apps that need it, hide root ability from apps that require non-root devices (those apps do that by pretending to need root). Also, the Magisk app can rename itself, which is important as some apps check against the name itself.

The future challenge is with Google trying to force hardware identification (Apple style). I have not been following developments regarding that though, since as others mentioned, my X years old phone is still serving me perfectly, and I have no intention to upgrade any time soon.

RunAwayFrog, (edited )

And <pre> with a `` inside it needs a class so we can easily set a different background for it! (edit: or maybe just set a different background for <pre> regardless of content).

RunAwayFrog,

Alright, for code blocks, this looks good enough for me:

<pre style="background-color:#ffffff;">
<span style="color:#323232;">pre {
</span><span style="color:#323232;">    padding: 1ex;
</span><span style="color:#323232;">    margin: 1ex;
</span><span style="color:#323232;">    border: 0.1ex solid #80808060 !important;
</span><span style="color:#323232;">    border-radius: 1ex;
</span><span style="color:#323232;">    background: #aaaaaa60;
</span><span style="color:#323232;">}
</span>
RunAwayFrog,

And finally, quotes need a different background too:

<pre style="background-color:#ffffff;">
<span style="color:#323232;">blockquote {
</span><span style="color:#323232;">    background: #DDDDDD60;
</span><span style="color:#323232;">}
</span>
RunAwayFrog,

And finally

Okay, finally finally this time. Full CSS with `` alone also given a background, without breaking code inside <pre>:

<pre style="background-color:#ffffff;">
<span style="color:#323232;">li .comment-node {
</span><span style="color:#323232;">    padding: 0.5ex;
</span><span style="color:#323232;">    border: 0.1ex solid #80808060 !important;
</span><span style="color:#323232;">    border-radius: 1ex;
</span><span style="color:#323232;">}
</span><span style="color:#323232;">
</span><span style="color:#323232;">li li .comment-node {
</span><span style="color:#323232;">    border-left: none !important;
</span><span style="color:#323232;">    border-top: none !important;
</span><span style="color:#323232;">    border-radius: 1ex 1ex 1ex 0 !important;
</span><span style="color:#323232;">}
</span><span style="color:#323232;">
</span><span style="color:#323232;">pre, code {
</span><span style="color:#323232;">    background: #EEEEEE;
</span><span style="color:#323232;">}
</span><span style="color:#323232;">
</span><span style="color:#323232;">pre {
</span><span style="color:#323232;">    padding: 1ex;
</span><span style="color:#323232;">    margin: 1ex;
</span><span style="color:#323232;">    border: 0.1ex solid #80808060 !important;
</span><span style="color:#323232;">    border-radius: 1ex; 
</span><span style="color:#323232;">}
</span><span style="color:#323232;">
</span><span style="color:#323232;">blockquote {
</span><span style="color:#323232;">    background: #DDDDDD60;
</span><span style="color:#323232;">}
</span>
RunAwayFrog,

Just as the other user said, using YouTube Audio for this stuff is the way to go.

Just look for <Artist Name> - Topic channels and check the playlists (not the uploads). You should find full albums uploaded directly by copyright holders. Use a VPN if you don’t find anything. Sometimes stuff from your region will not be available in your region, but available if you appear to be somewhere else ;)

Also, if we are going old style P2P, and not using torrents for some reason (RuTracker deserves a special mention), then DC++ should come before SoulseekQT/Nicotine+ anyway.

Mostly lossless grabs from torrents + YouTube Audio (edit: using yt-dlp), and you have a selection with guaranteed high quality*. Definitely better than whatever scattered MP3s in SoulseekQT/Nicotine+

  • Opus@150kbits/s is transparent, except for some killer samples heard by a trained ear.
RunAwayFrog,

What hubs are you recommending that are better than Soulseek?

I hardly use DC++ anymore. I mentioned it because I didn’t find anything unique about Soulseek when I tried it last a few years ago. But I did grab plenty of classical music in lossless format from DC++, using public hubs.

So, it’s the “are better than Soulseek?” part of the question that intrigues me. What’s good about Soulseek? For lossless collections, it doesn’t (didn’t?) have much. For lossy stuff? There are better (in selection, availability, and quality) places to grab lossy files from (e.g. YouTube). And Torrents (with or without DC++) would probably have you covered there too anyway.

That is/was my experience with all these platforms/networks. I’m open to learn something new if I’m missing something.

RunAwayFrog,

YouTube has audio in Opus format@~150kbit/s. Opus is a much better format than MP3. Almost all audio is completely transparent at that bitrate, where with MP3s, there are cases where audio is not transparent without using non standard >320kbit/s bitrates (a lot of content is transparent @320kbits/s though).

Now, sites/tools like the one you mentioned take the Opus (or AAC) file/stream from YouTube, and lossily re-encodes it again, probably to a file that is larger than the original, with at best the same quality, but probably worse quality. You obviously can’t get better output than the input in lossy compression.

So, the disk space argument is weird if you can play Opus/AAC (should be playable on every device nowadays).

This is the valid part for why you shouldn’t use YT-to-MP3 converters.

But there are also invalid reasons why people will tell you it’s shit:

  • They think all MP3s sound like the shit ones from a decade (or two, or three) ago, using low bitrates and/or created with shit encoders. In reality, not all MP3s sound like shit, but vigilance is needed at every encoding step, as is the case with all lossy conversions.
  • They are conflating the quality of the conversion, with the quality of the source, and think the bad quality of some user-uploaded YouTube content is due to the lossy conversion done by YouTube, and/or the MP3 converter re-encoding from YouTube. Content uploaded by the copyright holders (assuming basic competence) does not have that problem at all.
RunAwayFrog,

Soulseek is an old-style P2P network. It has nothing to do with my parent comment. I personally don’t use it (see my other comments in this thread).

If you want to grab a non-reencoded file from YouTube, you can use a tool like yt-dlp

<pre style="background-color:#ffffff;">
<span style="color:#323232;"># see what formats are available for a YT vid
</span><span style="color:#323232;">yt-dlp -F <youtube-url>
</span><span style="color:#323232;"># format 251 is usually available as the highest quality Opus format
</span><span style="color:#323232;">yt-dlp -f 251 <youtube-url>
</span>

That last command should grab you an Opus stream in WEBM format.

If you’re not a CLI guy, others should be able to give you a good GUI recommendation.

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