davel, 29 days ago

china under the bedUS scared

davel, 29 days ago (edited 27 days ago)

Less Wrong is brainworms, as are the effective altruism and longtermism movements. US tech industry oligarchs like Musk, Thiel, and SBF (as you mentioned) are closely associated with these movements. Look into Less Wrong’s Eliezer Yudkowsky. Podcasts Tech Won’t Save Us, This Machine Kills, and Team Human have covered these movements, their movers, and their associated tech billionaires extensively. Some are grifters like SBF, and some are outright fascists like Thiel.

davel, 30 days ago

The U.S. Did Not Defeat Fascism in WWII, It Discretely Internationalized It

davel, 30 days ago

Seeing how there aren’t any, that seems to be a non sequitur.

davel, 30 days ago

That’s true. Ten points for Ravenclaw.

davel, 30 days ago (edited 27 days ago)

It’s infuriating considering that it’s in the first goddamn sentence: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism

Socialism is an economic and political philosophy encompassing diverse economic and social systems characterised by social ownership of the means of production, as opposed to private ownership.

If those libs could read they’d be very upset.

davel, 30 days ago

There’s a spectre haunting Sailing7 specter

davel, 29 days ago

The history of socialist movements shows that it is. Rosa Luxemburg was right over a hundred years ago.

davel, 29 days ago (edited 27 days ago)

Average imperial core Cold Warrior understander.

davel, 29 days ago (edited 27 days ago)

By millions murdered, you don’t mean people who died in the last famine in China after centuries of famines, and you don’t mean the last famine in the region that became the USSR after centuries of famines, right? Famines that happened during or soon after the bloody revolutions overthrowing the tsars and emperors, under which the previous famines occurred?

davel, 29 days ago (edited 27 days ago)

The boxer rebellion was 50 years before the Chinese Communist Revolution. The CIA’s own unclassified reports show what people in gulags were fed. Why would they choose people at random? That would be dumb. Nazis, kulaks, other prisoners of the revolutionary war, and common criminals were in gulags.

davel, 29 days ago

To be fair, most liberals don’t understand taxation, ether, which is why neoliberalism lumbers on, the zombie ideology it is.

• Your [US federal] Taxes Pay for Nothing
• Why The Government Has Infinite Money

davel, 29 days ago

Anyone who disagrees with me is MAGA!

fucking liberals

davel, 30 days ago

this u?

And [China] has worked tirelessly to create [disunity in Europe], yes. Europeans have looked at the chaos in the US with a sense that it represents some kind of moral failing specific to Americans, but the reality is they themselves have been part of the same decades long social engineering campaign by Russia and China.

The only difference is the goals have been slightly different for each target and the type of trolling and propaganda exploits slightly different social and cultural weaknesses. But ultimately the goal has always been to drive a wedge between the US and Europe, and weaken both.

Because that is some weapons-grade BlueAnon conspiracy theorizing.

davel, 30 days ago (edited 27 days ago)

Let me guess, Tiananmen square was a totally justified response to CIA instigated unrest too?

Presumably your understanding of the Tiananmen riots is about as garbage as almost every other Westerner’s.

• The Tian’anmen Square ‘Massacre’: The West’s Most Persuasive, Most Pervasive Lie.
• 1989 Tian’anmen Square riots
• A Note on the Tiananmen Protests
• Images from Tiananmen 1989 the West never shows (NSFW / CW: violence and death)
• https://twitter.com/carlzha/status/1134582926325104641?lang=de

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How about you link to a single source from any reputable news agency anywhere around the world instead of random shady sites that totally aren’t propaganda?

Sorry, I don’t have any MBFC-approved sources for you on hand. I think you’d just ignore them or move the goalposts if I posted them anyway. I doubt you have an understanding of how our own propaganda works.

• Noam Chomsky - The 5 Filters of the Mass Media Machine
• Propaganda model
• Edward Bernays
• Walter Lippmann
• Council on Foreign Relations
• Powell Memorandum
• The Trilateral Commission’s report, The Crisis of Democracy

davel, 29 days ago (edited 27 days ago)

And note that I said anywhere in the world

Yes, I heard you the first time.

they’re all cia psyops

Obviously not everything is. This isn’t a a very good straw man.

America is authoritarian doesn’t mean you should trust what their opponents say about their own bad behavior

Obviously not, and yet again you’re putting words in my mouth to construct a ridiculous straw man.

Have fun licking that boot

Have fun licking imperial core boot, I guess? I don’t know how or why you’ve twisted this into boot-lickery.

davel, 29 days ago (edited 27 days ago)

China:

• Reuters, 2018: China overtakes U.S. for healthy lifespan: WHO data
• United Nations, 2019: Helping 800 Million People Escape Poverty Was Greatest Such Effort in History, Says Secretary-General, on Seventieth Anniversary of China’s Founding

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US:

• World Incarceration Rates If Every U.S. State Were A Country
• List of Atrocities committed by US authorities
• A Detailed Chronological List of US Interventions, Invasions, Destabilzations, and Assistance to Oppressive Regimes (ending in 2002)
• The U.S. Did Not Defeat Fascism in WWII, It Discretely Internationalized It
• Shock therapy (economics)
• Are We The Baddies?
• The blueprint of regime change operations How regime change happens in the 21st century with your consent
• Infographic: US military presence around the world The US controls about 750 bases in at least 80 countries worldwide and spends more on its military than the next 10 countries combined.
• Michael Parenti: Africa is Rich

davel, 29 days ago

Ignorant? Do you imagine that we haven’t been exposed to exactly the same imperal core propaganda our entire lives as everyone else here? Generally speaking, we know everything that you know. The only difference is that we took the time & effort—and had the intellectual honesty—to learn more.

davel, 30 days ago

You’re on .ml, clown.

davel, 30 days ago (edited 27 days ago)

Lol

Imagine defending a state online by posting a CIApedia link

The Cold War had only a brief pause before the pivot to Asia. The US tried to foment unrest in China by funding and organizing terrorist cells in Xinjiang, and when those efforts failed it concocted and promoted a genocide narrative. Antony Blinken is still pushing this slop, just last week.

• The Xinjiang Genocide Allegations Are Unjustified
• The Uyghur Human Rights Project is a product of the National Endowment for Democracy, which is the American government’s main regime change NGO.
• Uyghur genocide allegations
• American Debunks All Major Western Propaganda on Uyghurs and Xinjiang
• US-Funded Uyghur Activists Train as Soldiers of Empire
• A Reddit AMA Claiming To Be A Uyghur Quickly Exposes A CIA Asset Slandering China
• The blueprint of regime change operations

We see here for example the evolution of public opinion in regards to China. In 2019, the ‘Uyghur genocide’ was broken by the media (Buzzfeed, of all outlets). In this story, we saw the machine I described up until now move in real time. Suddenly, newspapers, TV, websites were all flooded with stories about the ‘genocide’, all day, every day. People whom we’d never heard of before were brought in as experts — Adrian Zenz, to name just one; a man who does not even speak a word of Chinese.

Organizations were suddenly becoming very active and important. The World Uyghur Congress, a very serious-sounding NGO, is actually an NED Front operating out of Germany […]. From their official website, they declare themselves to be the sole legitimate representative of all Uyghurs — presumably not having asked Uyghurs in Xinjiang what they thought about that.

The WUC also has ties to the Grey Wolves, a fascist paramilitary group in Turkey, through the father of their founder, Isa Yusuf Alptekin.

Documents came out from NGOs to further legitimize the media reporting. This is how a report from the very professional-sounding China Human Rights Defenders (CHRD) came to exist. They claimed ‘up to 1.3 million’ Uyghurs were imprisoned in camps. What they didn’t say was how they got this number: they interviewed a total of 10 people from rural Xinjiang and asked them to estimate how many people might have been taken away. They then extrapolated the guesstimates they got and arrived at the 1.3 million figure.

Sanctions were enacted against China — Xinjiang cotton for example had trouble finding buyers after Western companies were pressured into boycotting it. Instead of helping fight against the purported genocide, this act actually made life more difficult for the people of Xinjiang who depend on this trade for their livelihood (as we all do depend on our skills to make a livelihood).

Any attempt China made to defend itself was met with more suspicion. They invited a UN delegation which was blocked by the US. The delegation eventually made it there, but three years later. The Arab League also visited Xinjiang and actually commended China on their policies — aimed at reducing terrorism through education and social integration, not through bombing like we tend to do in the West.