@AccordionBruce I was a HS and college debater. A member of the Nat’l Forensics League who competed at nat’l tournaments. The beauty of academic debate is that teams are required to take both sides of the issue at tournaments, thus the debates become an exercise in logic, argumentation and rhetoric. One must be as persuasive and convincing on one side as the other to win. Great training for those who would be lawyers, litigators especially. I was one of the few who did not take that path, opting for a diverse career in multiple disciplines.