Ukraine parliament passes bill for prisoners to join army

The move on Wednesday marks a U-turn in Ukraine’s approach on the matter. Kyiv had long opposed the measure and had repeatedly criticised Moscow for mobilising prisoners to fill its ranks.

Tsvily said he feared the creation of “special units” for mobilised soldiers would lead to abuse against prisoners.

“It’s like in Russia – redemption by blood. … Anyone willing to fight will be put in one unit and commanded like meat,” he said.

Dasus,

Mobilisation would be voluntary and open only to certain categories of prisoners.

Among those not eligible to serve include those found guilty of sexual violence, killing two or more people, serious corruption and former high-ranking officials, Shuliak said.

Only prisoners with under three years left to serve on their sentence may apply, she said. Any prisoners who are mobilised would be granted parole rather than a pardon.

hoshikarakitaridia,
@hoshikarakitaridia@lemmy.world avatar

This is important context. Very much limited.

Still, I don’t like this.

LarkinDePark,

They really are fighting to the last Ukrainian for America. Suckers.

FaceDeer,
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Ukraine's approach is very different from Russia's when you look at the details, though. They're not taking rapists or murderers, and they only accept applications if you have three years or less left in your sentence.

PolandIsAStateOfMind, (edited )
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That’s simply a lie, Tornado batallion (edit: company) were taken out of jail years ago for example, and they were jailed by Ukraine for rapes, among other shit.

FaceDeer,
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This is a bill that's only just now being put up for signature.

PolandIsAStateOfMind, (edited )
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Yeah, they were taking rapists, murderers and nazis before, now they also want pickpockets and fraudsters and so on.

SaltySalamander,

You truly have a case of the brainworms.

INHALE_VEGETABLES,

Amazing counter point /s

PolandIsAStateOfMind, (edited )
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It’s not a case but a huge jar i picked them up as trophies when they were falling out of boiling brains of angry libs like you. https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/2bfc39cd-b308-4bd8-b2ef-38d2445f816e.png

Dasus,

Simply untrue according to the article, but it’s not like you bothered to even click the link, right?

Mobilisation would be voluntary and open only to certain categories of prisoners.

Among those not eligible to serve include those found guilty of sexual violence, killing two or more people, serious corruption and former high-ranking officials, Shuliak said.

Only prisoners with under three years left to serve on their sentence may apply, she said. Any prisoners who are mobilised would be granted parole rather than a pardon.

They’re giving the option for prisoners to apply to be a part of defending Ukraine. They’re not conscripting rapists to cannon fodder battalions or anything like that, ffs.

PolandIsAStateOfMind, (edited )
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You did not even read my comment else you would know i’m not talking about new law but about the deerboy lying through his teeth to whitewash the ukronazis, as is his custom since he shown up here.

Also idk if they were taking rapists to be their cannon fodder, though the mere existence of reddit warriors there is a strong pointer they were, but they were confirmed to taking the rapists out of jail as their elites.

Dasus,

but they were confirmed to taking the rapists out of jail as their elites.

Sure they were, lil ruskito, sure they were.

Ofc I’ll believe you rather than credible journalistic outlets, why wouldn’t I? Ofc Ukraine had elite rapist battalions before their own laws allowed convicts to serve in the army, of course they did. Why wouldn’t they?

#/S

PolandIsAStateOfMind, (edited )
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They were jailed for atrocities in Donbas by Ukraine. Even Polish fucking wiki reports that but of course everything that do not agrees with your delusions gotta be a “ruskito” propaganda lol.

Voyajer,
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Reading the article is bannable apparently

sik0fewl,

It kinda sucks though. If you’re looking for moral high ground, doing this out of defence/existence of your nation is better than trying to eliminate someone else’s.

InputZero, (edited )

Ukraine isn’t letting any prisoner serve,

Among those not eligible to serve include those found guilty of sexual violence, killing two or more people, serious corruption and former high-ranking officials, Shuliak said.

Hopefully they won’t be turned into cannon fodder like Russia did to their prisoner soldiers.

Woozythebear,

“Hopefully they won’t be turned into cannon fodder like Russia did to their prisoner soldiers.”

Spoiler alert, they will be.

ZC3rr0r,

All Infantry is cannon fodder to some extent, but so far Ukraine’s casualty numbers for their deployed personnel have been a lot better than Russia’s.

I hope they can maintain that track record.

brain_in_a_box,

Ukraine’s casualty numbers

As reported by who?

ZC3rr0r,

The official count released recently by the Ukrainian government was 31k, vs Russia’s totally believable 6k dead on their own side.

I will happily concede both have incentives to misrepresent their casualty numbers but the difference between Ukraine’s official death toll and the estimates you see from military analysts have a much smaller discrepancy than the official reported losses and independent analysis on the Russian side.

But hey, you believe what you want to believe. We’re all still free to disagree.

Woozythebear,

They are taking murderers tho… lol? It says it in the article.

FaceDeer,
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There appear to be conflicting sources. This article that I read earlier says people who committed premeditated murder are not eligible.

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