DaseinPickle

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Would anyone be interested in a telegram channel for lemmy ? Do read ALL the edits as i have added much more context than i had put in the orginal post.

I can set it up . This idea popped into my head after i joined some good foss telegram channels and i personnely think matrix is not there yet also telegram does supports third party apps there are some privacy concerns but i don’t think it matters to our use case and it is all speculation but matrix instance hoster could be...

DaseinPickle,

If we don’t care about security and privacy, why not just use Discord? It’s basically the same thing.

DaseinPickle,

Unfortunately they wont.People will rather use an unsecure Windows version than try something new.

DaseinPickle,

Apple really needs to hire some grown ups.

DaseinPickle,

No, web3 is pure crypto bro marketing. And is very anti solarpunk. It uses a lot of energy to keep blockchains running, and a lot of the underlying logic about trust and contracts are capitalist ideology.

Hi i am not that big on law but why don't corpos just leave EU ?

Like EU seems to be fining some large amounts for some company and they basically the only ones fighting for privacy laws, repairability etc. I am pretty sure if they don’t serve EU they can make better bucks by exploiting and doing things they can’t under EU . Am i wrong or missing something ? Why don’t they just pack bag...

DaseinPickle,

Leaving would also leave room for competitors to grow big. The market is still there and if American companies won’t deliver other companies will.

DaseinPickle,

Does Telegram still not have end-to-end encrypted group chat?

DaseinPickle,

Signal sill implemented better than any other. They can’t link your username to phone number, the others can. So maybe other are faster on a superficial level, but the implementation is trash.

DaseinPickle,

I see. Telegram seems to be a privacy theatre.

DaseinPickle,

That’s a strange argument. I want my group chats with friends and family to be private. Why should Telegram or Meta be allowed to spy on my private conversations just because there are more than two people?

DaseinPickle,

Why would I use non encrypted group chat when I can just use Signal. Why use a product with bad security?

It doesn’t matter if there is evidence of Telegram spying or not. They have the capability to do it. And with all the companies selling customers data to train AI, I don’t want to risk it. And the best part is, that I don’t have to, because there is Signal and all my friends already use it.

I don’t mind things being hosted elsewhere as long as it’s encrypted and the host provider do not have the keys. That is not the case with Telegram. If you like Telegram, sure use it. But don’t use Telegram if you value privacy, use it because you like its user experience and know that you are sacrificing privacy. That might be fine for you, but not for me.

DaseinPickle,

So you would prefer a platform to not have the keys to hosted content but allow that to every group member? That’s not much different from sharing your credit card details with your friends.

That is not how encryption works. Not even remotely. You only share your public key with people you communicate with not your private key. This is not comparable with sharing credit card information. You need to read up on how encryption work.

And there is no reason Telegram could not host information and still encrypt it. Lots of services do that.

Look at ProtonMail/ProtonDrive they host mails and files without having any access to it. Look at Keybase, they host all kind of encrypted communications services without having access. Telegram could do it, they choose not to, and that should be a concern.

DaseinPickle,

What’s your point? The same goes for 1-1 chats. If you don’t trust the people you are communicating with encryption is not going to help you. It just happens that I do trust my friends and family. And it’s not about sharing specific sensitive information, it’s about using technology that prevents mass surveillance. And Telegram is just a bad tool for that. You might as well use Instagram.

DaseinPickle,

I dont know why you keep arguing that encryption should only be used to discuss dangerous stuff. It should be used to discuss private stuff. Like when I sit with my friends and talk, I want it to be private, not recorded in clear text and saved on some server. Not because it’s illegal or sensitive, but because it’s fucking private. And I can’t do that with Telegram, because it’s doesn’t encrypt my information.

DaseinPickle,

No group chats are not.

DaseinPickle,

Yes “cloud chat” is not end to end, but only encrypted to the server. That’s what all services to including Facebook and Instagram. If it’s not end to end it’s useless.

DaseinPickle,

No I’m being serious here.If it’s not end-to-end encryption in groupchat, it’s not private. And Telegram does not provide e2ee in groupchat. Thats the whole issue. Signal does that. Even iMessage does that.If it’s not e2e somebody else does have access to your chats. In this case everybody with access to Telegrams servers, can read your group chats. And that makes it useless IMO. That is not the case with Signal.

DaseinPickle,

I know roughly what e2e for group chats implies and reasons why it’s not implemented everywhere asap

It’s not implemented because it requires more resources and Telegram is too cheap to offer that. The same reason Telegram does not encrypt chat by default, but you have to actively choose secret chats. It’s a way for Telegram to save money on server ressources. Both Signal and iMessage can provide e2e encryption for 1-1 messages and group messages and sync across devices.

Seems false as I didn’t find confirmations for that. All messages between iMessage clients are end-to-end, also groups, it has been so for years, it’s not news. iMessage has other problems, mainly that the private key is synced in iCloud by default (you can turn this off), and that Apple save a bit too much meta data. So iMessage is not perfect. It is still better than Telegram. As you can see here security.apple.com/blog/imessage-pq3/ Telegram have not even implemented a post-quantum cryptographic protocol, both Signal and iMessage have that.

For now, I mainly use my PC, so not going to infect it with another electron app, or recommend it among friends

We can agree that the Signal desktop app is kind of clunky, and I do hope it gets better in the future. Telegram might provide some usability, but it’s not much better than using Facebook, if your concern is privacy. Mainly because the lack of e2ee in default chats and group chats.

DaseinPickle,

DoctorButt, you are saying an excellent game isn’t worth $40. If Helldivers 2 to is not worth $40 I don’t know what games are worth that. Despite some bugs this game still provide excellent entertainment and lots of fun with friends. And that’s what you are paying for. And you don’t need railguns.

However the game is needlessly difficult right now because all the enemies have 100 percent armour penetration and they are basically useless. This will probably be fixed in the next patch. It doesn’t mean it’s not worth the price.

DaseinPickle,

It’s 40 bucks, that’s about the same price for a ticket to see Dune and popcorn and a coke. I think it’s a reasonable price for what you get. I haven’t encountered any game breaking bugs in my 20 hours playtime. Maybe it’s a problem later, but if you have played 50 - 100 hours you have gotten your money’s worth already.

And don’t complain about the lack of nuance and then begin to call everyone who doesn’t agree with you morons and idiots.

DaseinPickle,

The worth of a game is not a debate?DoctorButts hold the objective truth!? You are too full of yourself.

DaseinPickle,

I feel the same way. MMOs is just way too time consuming. And I feel like there is always some pressure to keep up. I already got that covered by work. Give me a small scale coop I can play with a couple of friends.

DaseinPickle,

Very few apps. I’m just trying to encrypt as much as possible, because I think the most important thing is to stay in control of my information. Hopefully a proper Linux phone will emerge at some point. I have experimented with the Pinephone and it’s promising, but there is still a lot of work to do.

I find the """man up""" school of thought generally works for me when faced w a tough situation but 97% of the time it's presented as an obnoxious show of bravado. What are better ways to phrase this?

like, if i’m feeling bad but force myself to do something, i usually feel better. how to maintain the usefulness of this advice without presenting it as ‘fuck your feelings’, in that usual arrogant right wing sort of way

DaseinPickle,

It’s less “man up” and more “you can do this” to me. It’s not “fuck your feelings” and more “life is hard and uncomfortable, but you can do this despite hardship, because it’s worth doing”. Actually wanting to do something that is hard to do, is kind of a testament to the importance of the task. And also, sometimes I remind myself that feelings will pass and change all the time, so maybe they are not always that important.

DaseinPickle,

Protecting status quo with violence is usually not left wing. Super heroes are reactionary. They don’t create anything. They just react to some villains plan to change things. That’s right wing conservatism. Beat up anyone who want to do things differently.

thenewinquiry.com/super-position/

DaseinPickle,

Pokémon is really a master class in how you can sell a terrible product with enough advertising and strong branding. It doesn’t matter that Pokemon games are terrible, fans are so into the brand that they will keep buying it.

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