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Heterokromia, to technology in HP disables customers’ printers if they use ink cartridges from cheaper rivals
@Heterokromia@aus.social avatar

@yogthos The hp printer I bought disabled itself after my firewall blocked its spyware/telemetry.
(The box said I needed an 'internet connection' not a 'raw, unfiltered connection'. And any computer worked/works on said connection.)

I took it back to the retailer. They unhappily refunded my money.

You should do that to.

markusl,
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  • Heterokromia,
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    @markusl @yogthos M234sdwe, but I think it is a shared bug in all new hp printers. Otherwise excellent, but it has this incredibly stinky dead cat tied to its leg....

    piggo, (edited )
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    @markusl @Heterokromia @yogthos don't buy any hp. I made this experience already, it didn't like a thin paper and just irreparably locked up. It's a bad company

    rasterweb,
    @rasterweb@mastodon.social avatar

    @Heterokromia @yogthos Oh, Brother! <-- recommendation.

    croyle,
    @croyle@wandering.shop avatar

    @Heterokromia @yogthos HP is so awful, I regret owning oe of their printers still, and an old laptop.

    vvandinsky,

    @Heterokromia @yogthos
    I bought a JBL Bluetooth speaker and it wanted to access my contact list and call history in order to just play music. Nope, took it back.

    srfirehorseart, (edited )
    @srfirehorseart@ohai.social avatar

    @Heterokromia @yogthos

    I'm on an HP ink sub, as I have a printer a friend gave me - to replace an old printer that had jammed (after 10 years). The old printer was probably a Brother, which worked well despite my lack of maintenance.

    IThe newer HP is a great printer apart from its need to constantly monitor my usage. I'll keep it until I get a another affordable colour printer.

    thiagocsf,

    @Heterokromia @yogthos at this point I’m more wary of printer manufactures than used car salesmen.

    nfgusedautoparts,
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    @Heterokromia @yogthos there was a time i respected HP. i have two HP printers both of which are 1) very nice and 2) predate ink and toner madness. HP has cured my respect for the company. i shall not buy another of their products.

    bmartin427,

    @nfgusedautoparts @Heterokromia @yogthos same, I still have an old HP inkjet I bought at Circuit City in 2004 that's still going strong, but I won't touch any new stuff

    kaasbaas,

    @Heterokromia @yogthos And it Came To Pass that one of the Master's Chattering Servants found it self alone, and unable to commune with it's Master.
    This made it sullen, and it spat in it's Caretakers face.
    Many would have bent the knee, but this Caretaker was wiser than most.
    It banished the Chattering Servant from its domain, and demanded restitution from the Chaos Merchants.

    Hail to thee, @Heterokromia

    Canecittadino,
    @Canecittadino@mastodon.world avatar

    @Heterokromia @yogthos @cstross Why do I get the feeling that in an age where your toothbrush spies on you, where even the mightiest can be caught with their genitals in unseemly positions in unseemly places, where media gotcha engines have finally lapsed into a coma after getting everybody who can possibly be gotten, we’ll see a mighty uprising of tolerance? After all, didn’t someone righteously god-fearing once tell us that we’re all sinners in the hands of a bespoke surveillance algorithm?

    cstross,
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    @Canecittadino @Heterokromia @yogthos

    Sadly, I disagree.

    "If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him."

    —Cardinal Richelieu

    Also:

    "If you've done nothing wrong you've got nothing to hide"

    — Various People

    Now meet deepfakes.

    Everyone is guilty: it may just take the Party some time to reveal the evidence of the crime they must have committed.

    Canecittadino,
    @Canecittadino@mastodon.world avatar

    @cstross @Heterokromia @yogthos Well of course I would agree with you if it were simply a matter of “homo homini lupus.” The thing is that in the historical contexts you rightly appeal to, it has always been possible for the inquiring class to excuse themselves from inquiry. Until they couldn’t, of course—a Man for All Seasons, Politburo purges under Stalin, etc. Once we all have access to AWS and ChatGPT X, everyone will live in fear until the mode of the music changes. Which it just might do.

    jkmcnk,
    @jkmcnk@mastodon.social avatar

    @Canecittadino @cstross @Heterokromia @yogthos you see, there's this thing called power, which is fairly unevenly distributed, so there's always people that are beyond any inquiry and very interested in that those others aren't. this latter thing is called control. and the times we live in tell that both concepts are very much fine and well and much the same as they were in the historic times. so, yes, you should care about your privacy. 🤷

    Canecittadino,
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    @jkmcnk @cstross @Heterokromia @yogthos All true for now, but the situation is also more fluid than it used to be, largely because of the rapid evolution of communications technologies. Compare the longevity of the Roman Catholic Church or the British Monarchy with that of the Thousand Year Reich, or the Soviet Politburo. How long do you suppose Ron DeSantis is going to last? /1

    Canecittadino,
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    @jkmcnk @cstross @Heterokromia @yogthos The uneven distribution of power isn’t the issue. As long as human beings are what they are, that may well be inescapable. What’s different now is the turbulence introduced into control mechanisms by the inherent unpredictabily of their impact. /2

    Canecittadino,
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    @jkmcnk @cstross @Heterokromia @yogthos “Quis costodiet ipsos custodes” is the real issue here. When the watchers operate on a scale no human agency can effectively oversee, anomalies may very well become more frequent. China’s social credit evaluation regime will be the best test case for these suppositions, I think. We shall see…. /2 END

    jeroenvanbergen,
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    @Heterokromia @yogthos I use an HP printer and would NOT recommend it to anyone. This full internet connection prerequisite is completely unjustified.

    raymccarthy,
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    @Heterokromia @yogthos So far the Brother Lasers / MFP etc we've bought over the years have been fine without Internet and with 3rd party toner. Also decent Linux drivers for print & scan from Brother. HP were good 25 years ago for laser. Never good for inkjet. Decent HP gear now has Agilent badges.

    AMS,
    yogthos,
    @yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

    oh I don't have one, but yeah that's quite the horror story

    versed_perception,

    @Heterokromia @yogthos How anyone buys HP's printers today is beyond me. Brother is a much better option now.

    carturo222,
    @carturo222@geekdom.social avatar

    @Heterokromia @yogthos Why does a printer need telemetry? Does it anticipate dodging asteroids?

    Heterokromia,
    @Heterokromia@aus.social avatar

    @carturo222 It has absolutely no need for it that I can see, however, I am not in the printer making business.

    Apparently, someone at HP thinks that knowing when I print a page, and what kind of cartridge I use to do it, is more important than having to refund my money and handle a returned printer.

    That's ... an odd decision, I reckon.

    I'd love to see if they've changed the wording on the outside of the box to something-like:
    "This printer must have continuous, unimpeded internet access to send information to HP, without that access, the printer will not work."
    ... or something similar.

    I guess that'd get them out of the hole that they've dug themselves with Australian consumer law.

    meuon,
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    @Heterokromia @yogthos Used to be an HP fanboi. No longer. For small office and home use I've been happy with Brother. Home has a cheap B&W laser that just works, Linux and Mac just sees it and it's not picky about cartridges/drums, etc.. but the real OEM ones aren't expensive. - My wife needs nice color prints every now and then, cheaper to just pay the local print shop.

    ganymede,

    identical experience. 100% would do again

    uninventive,

    @Heterokromia @yogthos Brother will happily take your money. https://www.theverge.com/23642073/best-printer-2023-brother-laser-wi-fi-its-fine

    (Or Epson, or Canon. Any of them if you ignore their stupid ink subscription or use refilled cartridges or tanks, they'll still print.)

    zachnfine,
    @zachnfine@mastodon.social avatar

    @uninventive @Heterokromia @yogthos FWIW Brother has started chipping their toner cartridges over the past few years. I just set up an HL-L6200DW and immediately made sure it had no internet access to make sure it stays on its current firmware and doesn’t upgrade to one that might lock-out 3rd party toner.

    uninventive,

    @zachnfine @Heterokromia @yogthos Most refills have chips.

    Brother's method of a IR light shining through a semiopaque window on the side and not going through the other side had some downsides. (Want the most out of your cartridge? Stick tissue over the window, run it dry.)

    Most manufacturers just stick with a count chip that disables the cartridge after X000 uses.

    And to be honest, if all the businesses start going that anticonsumer across the industry, happy to sell the printer and just go paperless. Probably best for all involved. Force offices to change their processes faster, better for the planet over time, and they can stick it to the holdouts who won't change.

    zachnfine,
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    @uninventive @Heterokromia @yogthos Was just looking through your timeline and saw you’ve worked as a technician and serviced these things — so if I’m wrong about the sensor my apologies. I’d expect IR windows to not work for toner but maybe at best there’d be a density sensor to detect when it’s truly out. In any case I like simple brother laser printers and was sad to learn they were starting to do the same lockout stuff everyone else does.

    uninventive,

    @zachnfine @Heterokromia @yogthos Nah, it's cool.

    And just a technician. Not Brother trained nor on their payroll. 👍

    zachnfine,
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    @uninventive @Heterokromia @yogthos And a printer lock-in accelerationist! I'll be ready for scrolls and fountain pens when-the-toner-cartridge-hits-the-fan.

    zachnfine,
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    @uninventive @Heterokromia @yogthos I’m referring to laser toner cartridges, there’s no IR window on those that I know of. The printer just keeps track in memory of the remaining page count and you used to be able to reset the count if the cartridge still has some toner and the printer declares it empty. Brother did not try to lock out third party toner cartridges until fairly recently.

    zachnfine,
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    @uninventive @Heterokromia @yogthos This does remind me I need to go refill some inkjet carts and reset chips for my Canon. Messy process. Glad some manufacturers are finally making inkjets with refillable tanks.

    GustavinoBevilacqua,
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    @Heterokromia @yogthos

    It would be interesting to see what they look for, and to set up a DNS and a server to give them locally what they want.

    Heterokromia,
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    @GustavinoBevilacqua @yogthos I was wildly curious about it too. I imagine a public key cryptographic mechanism, but I do not know how it actually works. My keenness to get my money back completely overrode my curiosity about the network protocol. (Yes, that's very unusual for me.)

    oloturia,

    @Heterokromia @yogthos

    I did a little research about this "spyware/telemetry" and I discovered this horror story:

    https://web.archive.org/web/20210127063426/https://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Scanning-Faxing-Copying/Printer-has-been-hijacked/td-p/7885835

    TL;DR OP had a subscription that bought ink when levels were low, credit card expired and printer stopped working, even the scanner won't scan.

    dxzdb,
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    @oloturia @Heterokromia @yogthos it says in the response: just buy a non-instant ink cartridge. The subscription ones aren’t really yours once you stop paying.

    oloturia,

    @dxzdb @Heterokromia @yogthos

    After they removed the cartridges the printer didn't restart, and they couldn't update the billing information nor use the scanner and neither contact the customer service.

    It's the whole printer that isn't really yours, not just the ink. I think this is good for someone, as it solves all the problems that the same printer makers artificially created in the past years.

    RockyC,
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    @Heterokromia Friends don’t let friends buy printers from HP.

    cazabon,

    @Heterokromia @yogthos Do you have a picture of the error message it gave you? I'd love to see it.

    Bricking when presented "unauthorized" ink or toner is well-known for HP of the last X years, but I hadn't heard of them doing it when you block their network access.

    For many years I've been telling people who ask "Buy an HP laser printer. Just don't buy a new one." There's a huge market for used office printers, and you can get one old enough that it will use 3rd-party toner.

    #HP

    joytoworld93,

    @cazabon @Heterokromia @yogthos So the HP inkjet was a huge disappointment to me. It no long works after 13mo. because it can't communicate with the mother ship. I will NEVER return to HP and it's overarching control of my equipment. I had followed all the rules, used their ink subscription, which was also a HUGE negative experience. Purchased a different brand that does NOT communicate with the manufacturer. I'm buying my ink supply as I need it. So much happier.

    cazabon,

    @joytoworld93 @Heterokromia @yogthos

    That's terrible. When I added a Lexmark printer to my network a year ago, I firewalled it off from the outside world on general principle - it never even occurred to me that a printer manufacturer would make communicating with the mothership a requirement for normal operation. I guess I'm lucky hasn't gone that route.

    I'm glad you found something else that works for you. Did you get an printer? Very cost-effective.

    joytoworld93,

    @cazabon @Heterokromia @yogthos I got a Canon laser. Costs much more, weighs a ton, but it's really a fast printer with excellent print quality and NO requirement for it to check in to it's manufacturer for permission to print. I'm pretty much over inkjets, period.

    It's the old saying, you get what you pay for. Only downside is that you need to wear a back brace to move it.

    Heterokromia,
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    @joytoworld93 @cazabon @yogthos I bought a Pantum laser MFP, it is just fone. I got it from InkStation specifically because they specialise in recycling and refilling cartridges.

    6t8k,

    @Heterokromia @yogthos wow, that really is impertinence of the worst kind. Good that you returned it. I certainly won't be buying HP anytime soon.

    dxzdb,
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    @Heterokromia @yogthos @GeekAndDad I wonder how much non-printer Information is in that traffic.

    If you buy your own cartridges you should be able to run without internet at all.

    eddanja, to technology in Elon Musk takes over @x Twitter account without paying owner

    Can the platform just die already so I can stop reading about a man-child’s shitty business decisions? Thanks, management.

    Larvitar,
    Larvitar avatar

    It did die, like back in November I think. We're at the point where the zombie like corpse has fallen over and horsehair worms started emerging. 🤮

    30isthenew29,

    Or it was gunshotted in November and now it’s slowly bleeding out…

    originalucifer,
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    naw.. cancer. stage 3 pancreatic. diagnosed november... i cant imagine it has much longer

    ThatGirlKylie,

    I hate that I can read this

    Pips,

    Didn’t the mods create a megathread specifically for this reason?

    vinceman,

    Different instance I thought.

    MedicPigBabySaver,

    Umm, you certainly can stop reading anything about him or anything he’s connected with. Your choice.

    amanaftermidnight,

    No. All these people are terminally attached to the platform and will rather stay on board until the ship sinks.

    TwilightVulpine,

    All these people are terminally attached to the people they are connected to on the platform. Moving over is easy. Convincing your friends to move along with you is hard. As a creator, convincing your whole follower base to move along with you is nearly impossible.

    joel_feila,
    @joel_feila@lemmy.world avatar

    Yup people that use Twitter as part of theor job will be the last to leave

    Internetexplorer,

    Lol what it has over 200 million active monthly users. How fucking dense are you?

    It’s not going anywhere

    TwilightVulpine,

    The vast majority of these users aren’t paying for subscription, and many advertisers have dropped it. Meanwhile it needs to pay additional debt and interest from the acquisition itself.

    It is on its death bed already. All it takes is for the owner to realize it’s not worth taking losses over it anymore.

    jtk,
    • Kevin Rose (2010)
    EhList,

    And do they pay for the site to function? We know ad revenue is down 50% YoY

    NekoRiv,

    Isn’t that what haooened to vine? Plenty of users not enough money to cover the costs.

    Polydextrous,

    Not to mention, so I can stop seeing pictures of him, pressing his fingertips together in front of his face like he’s some fucking pensive genius. I’m goddamn tired of it

    Shardikprime,

    Bro where do you hang out online that you see so much Elon content haha

    Zeppo,
    @Zeppo@sh.itjust.works avatar

    I’m incredibly sick of seeing his face and his stupid expressions

    Loulou,

    I like that one from the nineties when he had not gotten all those operations.

    But yeah let’s move on, there is science out there, lore, videogames, books and more!

    jtk,

    He’s just smelling and tasting his fingers, which he just had up his own ass.

    TWeaK,

    In the meantime: Block the rich

    Firefox

    Chome

    whoisearth,
    @whoisearth@lemmy.ca avatar

    No offense but this is so goddamn stupid. We don’t live in a bubble and unfortunately their actions may have an impact as they ripple through the business and political world.

    Intentionally censoring news because “lol get wrecked Jeff Bezos” is hurting no one but yourself.

    macrua, to technology in American TikTok user data stored in China, video app admits

    Chinese company storing user data in China is non-news unless I'm missing something.

    I suppose them "previously suggesting it was all on servers within America" and now admitting that that was false begs the question what else have they lied about?

    GunnarRunnar, (edited )

    Wasn't the thing about banning TikTok about where they store US user data (and who can access it)?

    And afaik EU has similar rule for EU citizens? Someone who actually knows shit, please enlighten me.

    ozymandias117,

    The EU does have a law about it in GDPR (General Data Protection Regulations). The US doesn't currently have any laws against it, but the US is going after China specifically.

    The US has made executive orders against software on edge routers, but nothing enforceable about end user data. There was an agreement Oracle would host TikTok's American data to appease the US

    jmcs, to world in ‘I walked out with a £150 trolley – it was so easy’: the rise of middle-class shoplifting

    Since then, Yvette’s pulled the same “trick” four times, although she insists she doesn’t see herself as a shoplifter and is “a goody goody” by nature: “I earn a reasonable amount in my senior position, drive an SUV, and live in a desirable postcode. Before my divorce, our girls attended private school.”

    This kind of ÜberKarens are the reason we can’t get nice stuff. Actions of people like her will be used to crack down on people that literally can’t afford basic needs and to reduce the privacy of everyone else, while making the service shittier at the same time.

    And she has the gall of calling her self a “goody goody”. Bullshit, no one so self entitled is a nice person.

    Mr_Blott,

    Agreed. If she’s not paying, everyone else is

    Annoyed_Crabby,

    Yeah, bitch decided to commit crime 5 times, boast about her career and wealth while pretend that is the feature of good people, then “teach” others how to commit the same crime. Bitch have no shame nor dignity. Makes me wonder what sort of white collar crime she also committed.

    Ragdoll_X, (edited )
    @Ragdoll_X@lemmy.world avatar

    Honestly I don’t even really care that much that she’s shoplifting, I find it hard to sympathize with a multi-billion-dollar company losing a small fraction of their profits.

    But then she insists that she’s not actually a shoplifter, and brags about her income and how she’s a great person as if she’s trying to separate herself from “the bad shoplifters”, which gives me the same vibes as the article “The Only Moral Abortion is My Abortion”.

    FMT99,

    The multi billion dollar company loses nothing. If shoplifting increases they’ll just raise the prices for the rest of us.

    Flambo,

    prices will be raised regardless. record profits? raise prices. record growth? raise prices. cost of production goes down? raise prices.

    520, (edited )

    I know right? If anything she's worse; she's the one not doing it out of necessity. She actually has a realistic choice.

    Not that I have much sympathy for the supermarkets but fuck me, don't pretend you're better than the next person doing it, especially when they might only be doing it out of necessity.

    echodot,

    “I’m actually a really good person, I just commit crimes for fun, so it’s okay.”

    deur,

    People who don’t accept the consequences of their actions are the worst.

    However, what if Yvette is not a real person and this is meant to stir up drama targeted at the middle class?

    afraid_of_zombies,

    I doubt a real person.

    brambledog,

    Articles this inflammatory in nature generally are highly fabricated. A notable example is the Ken Waks “I quit Google in two separate occasions because I’m that brilliant.”

    bratosch,

    I don’t get her reasoning either. “I consider myself a goody goody because I’m an upper class asshole”

    funkless_eck,

    “I’m rich therefore right” is a very seductive viewpoint

    aDuckk,

    “It’s not a crime when we do it.” Meanwhile I guarantee you this person has turned their nose up at lower class people shopping in the same stores like they could only be there to steal shit.

    Thoth19,

    No way she’s upper class. Upper middle at best and that’s pushing it.

    spudwart,

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  • prime_number_314159,

    The boot you feel is the biological reality that we all need to eat (and more than just eat), and almost all of us need someone else to grow/raise/ sometimes prepare that food (and more than just food) for us. Supermarkets operate on extremely thin margins, and so do most farms, and so too most food factories. Most of them would go out of business if they cut prices by 5%.

    People stealing from supermarkets cost the other shoppers around them, either through raised prices, or closed stores, if it’s bad enough. This is a major reason for the “food desert” phenomena, and why wealthy areas typically have cheaper groceries.

    cupcakezealot, to technology in She went beyond socialism to being a full communist and thinking that anyone rich is evil. Elon Musk reveals Twitter takeover driven by 'woke mind virus' that infected his trans daughter.
    @cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    “I’m a transphobic dickhead who flirts with Nazis on Twitter but no no it must be the evil socialism that drove my daughter to hate me”

    kitonthenet, to technology in She went beyond socialism to being a full communist and thinking that anyone rich is evil. Elon Musk reveals Twitter takeover driven by 'woke mind virus' that infected his trans daughter.

    This is revisionist, that sequence of events was what caused him to start to play footsie with the idea of buying Twitter, the SEC saying that’s a big no-no is what made him actually make the offer to buy it and then he was forced by a court to finish the deal after a long legal battle to not buy it

    JoMiran,
    @JoMiran@lemmy.ml avatar

    Don’t forget the part where Dorsey literally conned him by playing to his ego. Jack cashed out almost a billion in cash to himself even though Twitter was close to bankruptcy. It was brilliant.

    jerkface,
    @jerkface@lemmy.ca avatar

    Probably not the last time this trick works on ol’ blockhead.

    Swedneck,
    @Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

    oh man that’s my new insult for blockchain pushers

    Chariotwheel,

    What cracks me up the most is that Jack already had a Twitter clone in the works, ready to be released once Musk burns down the old plattform and people wish for Twitter but without Musk back.

    chaogomu,

    Bluesky isn't exactly a twitter clone, it's what Jack wanted Twitter to pivot to, but the board of directors refused to play ball.

    So Jack spun up a separate entity and explicitly made it its own thing outside of twitter.

    Maajmaaj,

    Bluesky is pretty dope, but the moment I see ads, I’m nuking my account.

    BraveSirZaphod,
    BraveSirZaphod avatar

    Genuine question: given that running a platform like that costs money, and that money must come from somewhere, what would you actually do if you were in charge of running it? You either take money from advertisers, or you charge users directly, and I'd hazard to guess that if you'd nuke your account upon seeing ads, you probably wouldn't pay actual money to use it.

    So what do you do?

    pomodoro_longbreak,
    @pomodoro_longbreak@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Not the person you were speaking to, but get nationalised or run on donations as a non-profit.

    But I do pay more than my share for most fediverse instances that I use (which reminds me, I use this one enough - should probably make my donation regular)

    BraveSirZaphod,
    BraveSirZaphod avatar

    Honestly, I would love to see a Wikipedia-style social media platform take off, but I really don't know if the finances could work out. Wikipedia already struggles, and it's obscenely useful. I don't think nationalization is really feasible for social media - at least in an American context - because it would be subject to the government's legal limitations on regulating free speech, which are extremely minimal. A federally run platform would not be able to remove literal unironic Nazism, which is probably going to be a bit of a turn-off to normal people.

    pomodoro_longbreak,
    @pomodoro_longbreak@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Wait what, I thought the US had hate speech laws.

    If Nazi gum flapping isn’t that, then I don’t know what is

    BraveSirZaphod,
    BraveSirZaphod avatar

    Not really, no. Freedom of speech is very strongly ingrained in our Constitution. The only legal restrictions on it are essentially direct threats or incitement of violence.

    "Go kill this Jew" - Absolutely illegal.

    "Go kill the Jews" - Illegal

    "The Jews should be killed" - Borderline based on circumstances

    "The Jews deserve to die" - Borderline, but probably protected by the Constitution

    "The Jews deserved the Holocaust" - Almost certainly protected by the Constitution

    pomodoro_longbreak,
    @pomodoro_longbreak@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Thank you for the breakdown. I had some vague conception of American free speech protections being pretty intense, but this illustrates the individual distinctions well

    onlooker,
    @onlooker@lemmy.ml avatar

    I missed that part. Where can I read more about this con?

    prole,

    Damn, what a slick move.

    FarraigePlaisteach, to world in Putin is close to victory. Europe should be terrified
    FarraigePlaisteach avatar

    Trashy British tabloid. Please don’t post these.

    DarkGamer, to world in BBC’s Jeremy Bowen admits he ‘got it wrong’ in Gaza hospital report but has ‘no regrets’
    DarkGamer avatar

    His inaccuracies: blaming Israel for the al-Shifa missile attack, and referring to the hospital as, "flattened."

    I've seen people repeating these inaccuracies constantly on Lemmy.

    HeartyBeast,
    HeartyBeast avatar

    He didn't blame the attach on Israel. He did say it had been flattened.

    DarkGamer,
    DarkGamer avatar

    His claim of it being flattened caused the BBC to report that it was likely Israel who did it because they were the only ones who had ordinance powerful enough to level a hospital:

    In the first story about the hospital on the BBC on Oct 17, correspondent Jon Donnison suggested Israel was behind the blast. Speaking shortly after 8pm on BBC News, he said: “It’s hard to see what else this could be, really, given the size of the explosion, other than an Israeli airstrike or several airstrikes.”

    killeronthecorner,
    @killeronthecorner@lemmy.world avatar

    So you agree that he did not say that IDF were to blame?

    NoIWontPickaName,

    Do you mean the Al-Alhi Baptist missile or did one happen to Al-shifa now too?

    ArbitraryValue,

    I admit, I was surprised at how many people are indifferent to the truth (at best) regarding this conflict. I know some people in real life who see a lot of antisemitism in modern American society and I used to think they were paranoid but now I’m not sure what else could be motivating this sort of motivated reasoning.

    gaylord_fartmaster,

    You don’t know what could possibly cause people to have an anti-Israel bias other than antisemitism? Maybe a history book?

    NoIWontPickaName,

    Beheaded babies and the IDF saying “we have lied before but not this time.” really muddies the water.

    SatansMaggotyCumFart,

    Criticizing Israel’s atrocities is not antisemitism it’s being a decent human being.

    WidowsFavoriteSon,

    But being a Hamas terrorist boltlicker is pretty shitty.

    SatansMaggotyCumFart,

    I don’t support Hamas, why would you think that?

    agressivelyPassive,

    The problem is, that Israel made it relatively easy to fall for these stories by doing similar things for real in the past.

    So you’ve got a credible source (BBC) reporting something that’s not really unheard of (i.e. kind of plausible) and that’s happening to align with what you’ve already suspected. Bam, rumor is born.

    BTW, you had the same mechanism shortly after the attacks with the “Hamas beheaded babies” stories.

    NotSpez, to politics in Shopkeeper who displayed rainbow Pride flag at store shot dead

    LGBTQ+ rights are human rights. The fact that a statement like this can even be politically divisive amazes and disgusts me.

    flossdaily, to politics in Woman charged with threatening to kill judge overseeing Donald Trump's election case

    Republican officials, even after the insurrection, are using violent rhetoric. This is deliberate. They want the crazies from their party to engage in terrorism.

    This is a party who wouldn’t even impeach and remove Trump after a violent coup.

    It’s insanity that we’re not treating these people like the full-blown fascists they keep showing us they are.

    That entire party needs to be purged from every level of government.

    People who still call themselves Republicans after the coup are a disgrace. They are traitors.

    Nougat,

    Republican officials, even after the insurrection, are using violent rhetoric.

    Stochastic terrorism.

    SomeoneElse, to aboringdystopia in French police say ‘we are at war with vermin’ as they threaten revolt over rioting

    It’s behind a paywall for me. I’m going to go out on a limb and suggest that calling the rioters “vermin” isn’t exactly going to calm the situation.

    Haus,
    Haus avatar

    Echoes of The Spanish Inquisition... not a good sign.

    unsophisticated,

    I find it hard to disagree when it appears to be teenagers burning and looting for the thrill of it.

    porygon, (edited )

    Multiple rioters have broken into police armouries and have taken firearms. I saw a vid last night on twitter where one was carrying around a belt-fed LMG, if twitter wasn't fucked right now I'd link it.

    They are vermin. They aren't protesting anything anymore, they're just lighting things on fire.

    Oh hey here it is: https://twitter.com/abroadfren/status/1675380197124866050, you can see another one brandish a pistol.

    markr,

    So they are attempting to defend themselves against a well armed militarized police force. How dare they!

    porygon,

    They wouldn't have to defend themselves if they'd stop looting and setting shit on fire.

    You're the same kind of troglodyte that thinks this will accomplish something.

    DLSchichtl,

    “everything will be fine if you just stop resisting!”

    🤓

    DarkDarkHouse,
    @DarkDarkHouse@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

    Police nationale: Why are they upset, what did I say?

    joebob,

    “savage hordes of vermin”

    Marrenia,

    Another french revolution in the works? Lol

    SCB, to politics in Donald Trump sells cut-up pieces of suit he wore in mugshot - for $5,000

    This is literally turn-of-the-20th-century huckster bullshit lol

    How do his people fall for this

    littlebluespark,
    @littlebluespark@lemmy.world avatar

    Oh, my sweet summer child…

    EatYouWell,

    I mean, just look at religion. People are stupid.

    Pratai,

    His entire voting base are ignorant hicks.

    SCB,

    They aren’t though. He won 51% of the white, college-educated vote.

    Those are the people falling for this, somehow.

    geekworking,

    There’s a new sucker born every minute.

    Burn_The_Right, to news in ‘To hell with this place!’ George Santos ousted from Congress after fabricating life story

    He never once told the truth about anything at all. He lied to a reporter about what he had for lunch. He lied about where he got his hair done. He was incapable of even the slightest shred of honesty. He also stole from every pot he could reach into.

    There’s a reason it took conservatives a year of nonstop negative, embarassing press coverage before they did anything about it. They didn’t want to oust someone just for being a conservative.

    JeffKerman1999,

    The thing that made him was stealing from donors. That is the only thing you never do.

    Zombiepirate,
    @Zombiepirate@lemmy.world avatar

    Other people’s money? Have your fun.

    Our money? GTFO.

    -the GOP

    SheeEttin,

    Isn’t that basically what Trump has been doing since day one?

    JeffKerman1999,

    Ah no, he’s deceiving his customers not impersonating them

    bradorsomething,

    On NPR I hear his campaign was overcharging a fellow republican congressman’s mom’s credit card after a donation. He was hurting the wrong people.

    MajesticSloth,
    @MajesticSloth@lemmy.world avatar

    Which is so odd to me. I get that some are trying to play the innocent until proven guilty thing. But the thing is, we know for a fact he has essentially lied about his resume and won an election based on it. Every place I worked, you could be fired if they found out you lied on an application or resume. Why should it be any different with this? So even without a conviction on the legal side of things, they all should have wanted him out based on fabricating his whole life.

    JeffKerman1999,

    Because it’s one of them. What would happen if everyone would be held accountable for what they say? They all think “I’m next”

    TigrisMorte,

    Drag queen goes criminal straight conservative to skim off the top but dips too deep and gets caught. Just normal Republican stuff.

    FartsWithAnAccent, (edited ) to news in Catholic priest could be demoted after US pop star filmed provocative music video in church
    @FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world avatar

    Rape kids? No worries, the church will probably hide and/or protect you.

    Let some lady film a pop song? How outrageous!

    sadreality,

    Well damn, came here to say this.

    Thank you for your service!

    radix, to world in BBC’s Jeremy Bowen admits he ‘got it wrong’ in Gaza hospital report but has ‘no regrets’
    @radix@lemmy.world avatar

    Welcome to Whose Truth is it Anyway?, where the news is made up and the facts don’t matter.

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