Because I"m not OK with people continuing to spread dishonest information? That is a weird take. The amount of purposeful ignorance to the facts has become contagious around here. I try and point out how none of the shit talking around here carries any water, and somehow I’m the one that should be concerned. I did not realize I had stumbled onto Facebook, my bad. I’ll let you get on with your misinformation farm, you have another election to deny coming up, must be a busy time of year for you.
I get you man. I see your struggle. It’s okay to take something silly like a videogame. These people acting like they are above it while they are talking too. I still think the micro transactions fucking suck but I see you.
I just have a problem with people spreading misinformation like a parrot with something they “heard somewhere”. You are basically spreading lies, and when confronted have doubled down on them. Does speaking truth to lies make me the enemy now? Bragging about being uninformed and spreading misinformation does not seem like a great hill to die on personally, but to each their own. You are free to speak your lies, but I will continue to call them out as such.
Mods, is this community about spreading misinformation?? If so I’m more than happy to leave the community, and ban it as such from my instance.
Whoa buddy, don’t come in here acting like you’re the gaming prophet or something
“I think” or “I heard” cannot be lies unless you don’t think or didn’t hear (respectively) said thing
You are telling people their opinions are wrong and you are telling people they didn’t hear something. Your actions are counterproductive to what you’re trying to do. Almost nothing gets people to refuse to change their mind better than calling them liars and telling them that their opinions are wrong. Root issues and facts, fine. Opinions, not fine
Tbh, I kinda get both sides here. The precedent thats unfolding, not even being set, since this isnt the first game to do so, is bad enough to stain the game and be worth being pissed about. But also, since the entire game can be enjoyed ignoring the DLC even exists, its a fun enough game in a slightly more niche category that its also worth ignoring the precedent
edit: Aside from the nuance part of things. I personally am not super bothered by the precedent because I’ve sworn off AAA games for at least a decade now. The precedent that games of that investment level are going to use any shitty psychological trick to drain as much of that investment back from you has long been already set. An AAA game now has to prove its worth buying to me at this point, and my gaming experience has actually improved because we are currently in a golden era of Indie games anyways.
I don’t care if they’re for stuff that easily obtainable, I don’t care that all of the other capcom games have been doing it too, I don’t care that its a fun game. $70 and having ANY MTX is bullshit.
Honest question since you have clearly played the game for a number of hours. How did the micro-transactions that you needed to go out of your way to even find, and are worthless after having actually played through the game, effect your game play? Was it because nothing in game is affected by them? Or was it that CAPCOM does nothing to push you towards them?
It was the fact that apparently nobody even knew they were their until somebody went out of their way to discover them that has affected my game play so much! How dare they put these useless items available for real dollars that only a fool would buy, and then after doing so only to find out they are useless. It has basically ruined my whole world, I may never game again! The horror! /s
Do you even understand the point of microtransactions in these situations? When used for items in the game that you can just get by playing the game, did you even consider what involves getting these items? Like does it become tedious? Takes too long to find? Takes up I ventory space? You can only sometimes find them at a vendor?I mean CAPCOM could’ve made them easily accessible for you. Fast travel kits have no weight, buy them at any store. Customize your character? Sure just setup camp or go to a mirror to do it for free. But no, they created a system that is so subtle that it completely goes over your sheep brain and you either choose to ignore it or cope with the tediousness of getting these items and even if you don’t buy the MTX the fact that there are some poor schmucks our there who will probably buy them because of the shitty system setup in DD2 is fucked up enough to be pissed about it, especially for a $70 game. CAPCOM didn’t just do this to do this, actually think for a second. They obviously chose these items strategically to get those few people who say “eh I’ll just buy this item real quick since it’s only 0.50 and convenient”. It should be convenient in the fucking $70 single player game itself!!
that you needed to go out of your way to even find
CAPCOM does nothing to push you towards them
Hey Tim, go ahead and open up the game’s page on any storefront and try to find the system requirements before you see the DLC.
People aren’t saying that the items are useful. It would be even worse if they were. The decision to sell microtransactions in a single player RPG, regardless of how useful the things you get for them are, is inherently scummy. It’s worth calling it out regardless of how useless the items are.
I’ll take the obvious bait here. The issue is that paying for a full game should give you a full game. For now the MTXs are like you said, for small items and not game changing. For now.
If the gaming community accepts this, who knows what the next step will be? Maybe they’ll be kept small, but maybe they won’t.
Remember this is the the same industry selling horse armor, selling over 2k dollars of dlc in the Sims 4, shipping unfinished games after millionaire pre-orders, and selling dlc that fix day one problems that shouldn’t even be there. And they do this because the community never questioned when they were small enough problems.
In the interest of clearing up this continuing deluge of misinformation, I think cowboy at the end of his stream today said it better than I did earlier today. Plus he is likely to know more than anyone here as he had completed both endings before release with his advanced copy.
I am a FIRM believer that a quality product will net you more sales than any cheap tricks will and if you really come out with a banger then you always have the option to add a MEANINGFUL DLC addition down the line, instead of content you made at the same time you made the base game and just decided to wall off and “release” later.
How many hours do you have in game? Had you played you would know that nothing available is “walled off”. It is actually the opposite, and the stuff is basically useless to buy since you can acquire all of it through a normal play through of the game. No place in the game do you even feel like “oh man, I really need to buy that DLC or else this part is going to be impossible/different/less than/etc.”.
And it’s clear the people getting everyone all riled up about this stuff did not play the game either (or are acting in bad faith).
how did we end up in a reality where people are actively defending a 70$ release priced game that is single player AND has micro-transactions. A game like this should be thrown into the garbage and everyone should be unified on that. Like it being single player ALONE should make it so it doesn’t have MT’s but it has both SP and a 70$ price point?
Cause the micro transactions are literally pointless. The only people complaining are the people who haven’t played the game enough to know that NOTHING in the dlc is worth paying for. If you played the game for the first few hours, you’d earn more RC just by killing shit then the highest dlc package offers. Ferrystone are loot or gold. Barber shop costs gold too. Nothing is even that expensive.
The game is LITERALLY exactly like the first game except more content. The micro transactions might as well be called donations.
If you are ok with this, you are naive and not thinking about what will happen next. They will obviously push this bar higher with next game if they feel like it’s acceptable because people didn’t protest enough. Next game you might find yourself having to buy map access because they will say it’s more realistic to play the game without the map, and then add micro transaction for it. Defending and accepting practices like this is basically destroying our gaming future. That’s exactly how we ended up with games like Diablo 4 Micro transactions + 70 euro + paid expansions + battlepass in one game and there are still people defending it.
Dude. I get that. If that was the case here I’d be up in arms too. But it’s not. Not even close. This is the equivalent of complaining that you didn’t get the “Twin Humanities” starting gift in dark souls. It honestly is inconsequential to the experience while playing the game. NOTHING is worth paying for and anyone saying that hasn’t played the long enough to realize that. The game is perfectly playable in every aspect and you miss out on nothing.
I’m sorry but the whole point is the principle of it, I a consumer, and spending $70 ( which may I add is still at least $10 more MSRP than your typical game) which is single player, which pointlessly requires an internet connection(at least to start the game), has an anti-cheat(well technically an Anti-Tamper) and has microtransactions. The only thing this is missing is a battle pass and you have every aspect that the majority of the game Community hates.
This game is literally the embodiment of corporate greed and people buying the game regardless of that and saying “oh the microtransactions are able to be obtained in game anyway” are just eating the corporate “shit-pie”.
Because enough people shell out money for things we used to get just by purchasing the game.
I’d wager half the current buyers of games nowadays don’t even remember a time before dlc was ever even a thing. So to them this is just what gaming is.
It is shocking how many people there are in this thread that try to downplay this. And the sad thing is, most if not all of them arent getting paid a dime to shill.
It’s pretty clear that many people here have not even looked at the Steam store page, and are instead falling for the bait for clicks and drama from a reviewer that didn’t read, and is big sad he only got to complete the standard version pre-launch. This whole thing is manufactured drama over something that was right on the Steam page since day one. You want the stuff the guy cried about in the article, buy the Deluxe addition. Is $10 to much extra, OK, then buy the individual pieces of the deluxe addition extras you want and stop with this fake outrage for a game you most likely didn’t even buy/play anyway.
The “DLC” was available before release day and is just the stuff from the deluxe version but separated out so you can buy just the stuff you want. It has been all right on the store page (not hidden) for everyone to read this whole time. This made up story is from a reviewer that upon completing the game on their advanced FREE copy noticed the dev didn’t give them the version with the other camping kit and created this whole fake outrage.
I am taking about someone else on Lemmy who shared his experience, not a reviewer. I don’t buy games on release anyway so I don’t know the exact details. But if you’re trying to downplay this whole shit show then don’t, it is very much deserved.
But if you’re trying to downplay this whole shit show then don’t, it is very much deserved.
Why is it deserved? Because “someone else on Lemmy” said so? Someone that didn’t read what they were buying and is going along with a clickbait article by a reviewer that had his feelings hurt because the devs didn’t give him the deluxe edition, and instead he only got the standard well in advance of launch? He could have righted his whole “injustice” with a $3 purchase for his stupid camp kit (for a $70 he didn’t pay for), but instead he wrote a whole piece on how he didn’t read anything before completing the game (he didn’t pay for pre-launch).
Oh so I have to buy the garbage just to criticise it? Absolutely not. And why did you assume that I know nothing about the game when my wording was “exact details” in reference to me getting the DLC dates wrong. So you’re also defending the bait and switch that some reviewers can get a copy with no garbage but they are added in the game at release. Doesn’t matter if it is done for all or just a few but it happened so stop defending assholes. All that does is give an OK to assholes to keep assholing. We already have too many who give into garbage like this and promote this behaviour so if you understand them at least don’t promote it.
Can you read? Serious question. There was no “bait and switch” for anyone. Nobody was sold anything and then given something else. And the reviewer in question would have known exactly what they were getting, and what was available, but stated in the article they didn’t READ anything before completing the game. Then they put out a click-bait article and everyone is coming out with pitchforks because some dude that played for FREE didn’t get the version he wanted pre-release. That to me reaks of entitlement, and a pretty “asshole” thing to create a hit piece about a game he enjoyed otherwise but is salty he didn’t get a different version with a couple extras to play well in advance of release.
And for the record, I am not OK with entitled assholes like that.
Can you read? Serious question. I am not taking about this reviewer as I already mentioned. They weren’t the only one, there are multiple which are probably like 100 reviewers who played this game before release and very few made a mention about the micro transactions and some were also a little surprised about it. Your intent doesn’t matter if you can’t show it well, whatever you’re posting definitely looks like you don’t mind this behaviour and were should stop criticising it. It is 110% fine to criticise something you love, if you don’t then you’re biased and your opinion won’t be taken seriously. Also you don’t have to defend a shitty corpo decision if that’s what you’re doing, definitely seems like it anyway.
Timthetech is justified in calling out dishonest commentaries. Timthetech is just saying call a spade a spade and be honest if you are going to complain about it.
" Out of the 25 English language reviews of Dragon’s Dogma 2‘s PC version on Metacritic, only two mention the microtransactions.
It’s worth pointing out that both of these reviewers (from XboxEra and TouchArcade) said they didn’t find it necessary to purchase the paid DLC to enjoy the game.
Despite this, players have the right to know exactly what they’re getting when they buy a full-priced title. And if a game deliberately holds content back so it can be offered as paid DLC, that may be a dealbreaker for some.
Given that Capcom informed gaming outlets that Dragon’s Dogma 2 would include microtransactions, it is unclear why so many failed to highlight it."
The article lays it out why timthetech is right to call out bad arguments.
Ill bet you money timthetechs opinion IS restricted to this one specific event not the game release itself.
No? As I already mentioned multiple times, I am not taking about this article. The original comment is about something entirely and it’s not my fault if you and him didn’t get it. No one here is arguing in bad faith, simply correcting him on his assumption.
Worse. Not sure about micro transactions but the dlc was released on day 2 with no prior information or heads up. Truly scum of earth behavior.
These are your words, and have been proven to be false. To continue to double down on misinformation is to argue in bad faith. Also, the fact you didn’t even know the “DLC” is the micro transactions tells me you never even played the game, and are purely regurgitating talking points you heard someone else make. And you are doing so without any fact checking at all. It was also ALL on the store page pre-release, but because you need to go out of your way to even know the useless micro-transactions exist, it got turned into this whole secret conspiracy. And the internet loves manufactured drama, unfortunately.
In the end it’s a loss for anyone buying into the misinformation missing out on a pretty great game that makes this whole thing kind of a bummer. But I guess that is the state of things in 2024, misinformation > the truth.
Mate what are you on about. I literally admitted I got the date wrong and you are literally ignoring and twisting my words to your wish. Go ahead assuming shit just to cause drama, I am not gonna bother with this redditor argument anymore.
This is exactly like any other version of a game that comes out with more than one SKU (bonus items). Only this time the guy that got it for FREE in advance wrote about how he didn’t understand he wasn’t getting bonus items. He then writes a hit piece stating even though he didn’t read, he should be entitled to those items because he didn’t know about them, even though he didn’t read (and his copy was in advance of release and FREE). It’s basically a story of entitlement, and how a reviewer has created a non-story over his.
I don’t care about what excuses you want to make for this bullshit. Stop defending these anti-consumerist practices, you are not the company, you do not benefit from them making millions from selling lazy arse DLC that is just basic game features paywalled off.
It’s bonus items from the Deluxe addition, nothing is “paywalled off”. It’s the same as any other game with more than one SKU at release. This guy just feels entitled to something and so he cried about it his review, and the internet is standing up for his entitlement, you apparently included. Funny how everyone is upset they didn’t read, and are standing with the guy that got free stuff and apparently didn’t get enough so he is throwing a fit about it. So stop defending entitled assholes, we should be naming and shaming them.
They got bait and switched is my understanding. The game they played included the content from the micro transactions without them being informed they weren’t part of the base game.
This kind of behavior should be enough for outlets to blacklist developers. But since they don’t/wont/can’t band together to do that, they have no say in how games are reviewed.
Not mentioning micro transactions is equivalent to not mentioning the price. Why review a game if you don’t know if it will be $50 or $100 at launch?
Capcom basically asked them to review a game that doesn’t even exist, they asked them to review a dev build.
Anyone that reviews a game in advance of release knows they are playing a different game than the release version. The guy in the article even stated they told him exactly what he was getting, but he didn’t READ it. Then afterwards felt entitled to those things in another SKU and so wrote a hit piece that everyone, that also didn’t look at the store page, is now all fired up about.
This is only partially true. Reviewers know that the exact build and exact code aren’t final when reviewing, that is true and normal. The reviewer does however expect that gameplay systems, graphics, audio, and the rest are mostly complete with only minor tweaks needed. The game should be 99% done by the time reviewers have it.
Yet nowadays the game is not 99% done. This even applies to huge day 1 patches. Like great you patched stuff but also reviewers can’t assess performance and bugs properly for consumers that way. Same is true of monetization which is a huge factor for enjoyment in modern games.
This is misinformation. No “bait and switch” occurred at all. You have to go out of your way to even find the micro-transactions, and then when you do they are useless if you have actually played your way through the game. Reviewers got all of this in detail with their review keys, but adding time into your review to talk about something that is basically an afterthought and has no affect on the actual game seems like a waste of time. These people are all rushing to release content as soon as the embargo is lifted. So putting extra time into a review to talk about something 99% of people will never see does not have a great return on effort.
I always wait until the Steam reviews about a week after. Has kept me from making a few mistakes.
I still have Starfield a try since it is included in Xbox Gamepass and holy hell, if I paid $10 for that game it would have been a rip off. It was about as exciting as watching shampoo commercials after taking three tabs of Xanax.
The whole thing is a scam. Their entire business model is dependent on receiving early access games so hype will drive some ad revenue. How many early access games will they get if they give bad reviews?
To stop this, gamers would basically have to union up and full boycott any developer who did not give early access to their union’s reviewers. I don’t see that happening any time soon.
Yep, and to keep that access to games (and their livelihood) most of them have to talk well about games or risk being cut off.
I wonder if more games will go the Lost Ark route and make the massive paywall at the endgame. Then reviewers will play the games for 30+ hours and it’s still fun, but then hit that endpoint and if you don’t open up your wallet you don’t go anywhere.
I played it for a while and it is some of the best ARPG out there. The cities feel lively and the world was great, even got a boat. But then realizing with the endgame in order to get groups it was either farm eight hours a day or start spending money. Lots of money. No thanks
This is all much to do about nothing. It’s all stuff you get in the deluxe addition and right underneath says - “Items in this set can also be purchased separately. Please be aware of duplicate purchases.” This sounds like people trying to find a problem where none exists.
The Deluxe Edition includes the base game and the add-on “A Boon for Adventurers - New Journey Pack”.
A Boon for Adventurers - New Journey Pack:
Explorer’s Camping Kit - Camping Gear
Dragon’s Dogma Music & Sound Collection - Custom Sounds
It isn’t locked behind a paywall, it costs 500 RC which you can get by literally not playing the game and having your pawn get hired by somebody. You get a fuckton of it just by playing. I’m mad because of how not only is the mtx clearly done by higher ups rather than the devs but they’re utterly useless and only give people false impressions about the game, which was a passion project by the director.
I wish more people understood this. Everything they are complaining about can literally be bought in game with Rift Crystals. I'm already at 2000 RC just by playing the game and my pawn has only been hired once.
Can your pawn get hired if you play this single player game offline? You don’t think that maybe the fact that they were going to sell rift crystals for real life money had any impact on how they balanced in game prices?
It’s the easiest way to get it but you can collect a lot of it simply through playing the game as well, you earn rift crystals after every fight and it starts to really pile up as you level considering the only thing it’s spent on is remaking your character and hiring pawns (in the first game at least, there may be more uses in the second)
Missing a /s?
Maybe I'm missing the obvious sarcasm, but why in the hell does a deluxe versions exist? You done screwed up your game if the game play is so tedious I want to pay for in game credits (rift crystals) instead of earn them. Hey they put in time sucks so bad your going to want to pay to make them go away instead of play the game.
Why does any game have a deluxe addition? It usually includes more stuff up front. Did nobody read what they were paying for? It’s in plain English right on the store page.
Also seems like a bunch of people who didn’t even buy the game getting all fired up over some manufactured drama from a reviewer who didn’t read what he was getting for FREE. And now he’s all worked up because he didn’t get the deluxe addition for free and needs to pay $2.99 for the dumb camp kit or to buy a portcrystal or rift crystals or whatever.
It’s the stuff that comes with the deluxe edition, only they let you buy each piece individually if you want, which I think is reasonable. This is all manufactured drama by some reviewer that got the game for free and didn’t read anything about it apparently. It’s right there on steam, not hidden in small print in a footnote or something. If people can’t read I think it says more about them than the devs.
Items that have any in-game effect that is not purely cosmetic should not be a part of a “deluxe edition” of a full-priced game. I will die on this hill.
It’s qol stuff that they sell for extra money. It doesn’t matter how obvious it is. The problem isn’t that it was hidden, the problem is that it exists.
There’s obviously not enough in game if there’s a need for the mtx. Even if the game is perfectly fine without, it’s still shitty to sell mtx in a single player full price game so… I’ll just wait for the crack.
I saw it as a way for people that didn’t want to shell out $10 for the next SKU up (Deluxe) to just buy the pieces they wanted. The items this guy was crying about not getting in his free copy should not have been labeled DLC though, as that clearly gives people a false sense of what they are. I have also read of several mods already that can dupe and add things into the game negating the need for a crack, unless you are looking to rid the DRM specifically.
It’s the modern equivalent of an arcade quarter eater, movie/TV show tie in cash grab, etc predatory monetization in gaming. It is bullshit but it’s nothing new. Vote with your wallet what kind of games you want to play, but criticizing a game for including mtx without buying the game is a valid criticism because there are gamers who take single player mtx into consideration when shopping.
Money. Even if 5 people scream and get a refund or don’t buy it there will be 100 that don’t care and just pay. It’s the same with every bad thing like preorder, dlc after dlc, microtransactions for cosmetics more expensive than an full title indie game or pay to win in a full price triple a game (like star wars battlefront 2). In the end the group of people just buying is bigger.
Mostly negative is a terrible ad by itself. I am buying only games with either very positive or overwhelmingly positive ratings. Those reviews are tanking their sales I am sure.
I hope so and I’m the same when it comes to buying games, but e.g. the steam charts telling another story. Most people seem to not care about negative reviews especially if it’s a game they heard about before.
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