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CookieJarObserver, in European timezones are wild

Please remember that the curvature of this map is off, accurate would be a globe map. Its not that wild, EU has a common time zone because its better for business.

Shiggles,

I thought many of the countries originally adopted it because of a certain mustache man.

sigmaklimgrindset,

Santa Clause?

snooggums,
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Yosemite Sam

shottymcb,

Charlie Chaplin.

azertyfun,

That’d be most of them I think. Though it is right that we didn’t change back after the war because it’s convenient for business. And now everybody’s holding off on getting rid of DST because some countries prefer permanent summer time and others permanent winter time (fucking degenerates, no I will not take anyone else’s opinion on this, I am tired of explaining to people that time is made up but business hours won’t change and therefore winter time = less/no daylight for office workers).

Anyway point is we’d probably have seen several countries switch timezones or off DST if business was not a concern.

snooggums,
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Getting rid of DST and keeping standard (winter) time means the same winters we currently have. The sun just sets and rises 'earlier' during the summer according to clocks if they weren't set to DST.

azertyfun,

Yeah, that’s the part I’m pissed off about. I get off work at 5:30, so I don’t get to be out in the sun for MONTHS whereas if we were in summer time I would be able to catch the sunset even in December.

verysoft,

When time comes up, everybody seems to forget that working hours can just change too. Why ruin the whole organisation of timezones by being in summer time randomly if you can be in regular time and just shift the working hours if you have a problem with it?

azertyfun,

That’s wishful thinking. Offices/shops/etc. will be open 8-6pm and that’s just the way they’re going to operate, because that’s what’s in the work contracts, insurance contracts, etc. It’s fixed in stone.

However we do have a very powerful tool to shift the working hours for everyone: move the damn clocks one hour. Why is it such a catastrophe that the sun would be at its zenith at 1pm?

verysoft,

Id rather the sun doesnt rise at 8am.

azertyfun,

Lol you must live quite far south then. Here on the solstice, the sun rises at 8:40 and sets at 16:40 on winter time. Which means that most people don’t get to see the sun before or after work; best case scenario is you start at 9 so you get a bit of sun on your commute, but it’s not like you can depend on it for your circadian rhythm because you should already be well awake by the time you take the wheel of your car/bicycle/whatever…

At least with “summer” time I’d be able to see the sun for a little bit before it sets at 17:40 so I can start my free time with a bit of daylight, rather than optimize my day for the miserable early morning commute.

verysoft,

You are correct, the sun would be rising at like 9am, yuck. You've convinced me, I'd rather keep regular time for sure, winters are fine as they are, but the extra sun at night in summer is pointless, while the extra light at night in winter would be nice, it's not the end of the world as it is and a poor trade-off for such dark and grim mornings.

azertyfun,

Nah, the sun already rises at 9am for me. With summer time it would rise at close to 10am, but in either case I’m already in the office by then so why should I care?

I’m assuming you live MUCH further south than me, but that’s the point I’m trying to make: you’ll never gave the Italians, Germans, and Scandinavians agree on a single time zone without DST.

LanternEverywhere,
AntifaNI,
@AntifaNI@lemmy.world avatar

EU has a common time zone

Nobody told the Irish, Greeks, Finns and Baltic states ?

CookieJarObserver,

The important parts of EU.

And Ireland is to far away and the common timezone would cause more trouble.

Showroom7561, in Time of the year’s earliest sunset

“Before 3pm” sounds horrific.

TonyTonyChopper,
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I imagine those regions are effectively in 24 hours of darkness at that point

Albbi,

You’d be surprised what some sunlight will do vs none at all. But the light that does come is very low on the horizon making it feel like sunrise/sunset and then it’s gone again.

Showroom7561,

I can’t tell you about 24h of darkness, but I would love to experience a few weeks of 24h daylight! But only as a tourist. LOL

blanketswithsmallpox,

Seasons though.

People perpetually surprised by how far north they live will perpetually surprised me.

Colour_me_triggered,

I live in the Arctic and polar night is the most beautiful time of year. The sun almost comes up and paints the clouds red, while the sky to the north is stained purple. Then at night you frequently get the aurora and even if you don’t you get a beautiful crisp starry night surrounded by snowy mountains.

mathemachristian, (edited ) in Some Turkish city names translated directly into English

Quite a number of mistakes here:

“Kocaeli” translated as “husbands hand” comes from “Koca ili” named after Akça Koca. “Koca” in this context means “Great” as in “highborn” and “il” means province so this is better translated as “Koca’s province” or “The highborn’s province”.

“Aksaray” translated as “white fortress” is better translated as “white palace”.

“Ağrı” here translated as “pain” is named after the Turkish name of Mount Ararat which is “Ağrı Dağı”. The name has been in use for a very long time and the exact etymology is not known as far as I know, possibly meaning “fiery”.

How “Afyon” is translated as “Opium black fortress” I cannot even understand, it just means “opium”. The provinces name is literally just “opium”. Maybe the only one that could have been directly translated, no research needed.

“Aydın” comes from the name of a historical person, so it’s either still “Aydın”, or the meaning of that name which is better translated as “enlightened” since “intellectual” doesn’t really make sense in the context of the 14th century.

There are probably others. I would guess that “Kırklareli” is also from smushing “ili” at the end of another word. No offense intended but this reads as some Turkish learners attempt at translating city names by just literally looking up the words in a dictionary with no regard for the actual etymology or context.

Lojcs,

Karahisar

athos77,

Question: several of the places listed here have the word "hand" in the name: fortys hand, husbands hand, bronze hand. What does "hand" mean in this context?

mathemachristian, (edited )

The turkish word for hand is “el”, and if for example I talked about your hand I would say “Athos77’un eli”. Ignoring the “un” suffix there, which I believe is rather modern, the translation of “Athos77eli” as “Athos77s hand” would be correct.

I know for Kocaeli and think also for the others it however comes from smushin two words together, “Forties” or “koca” with the word “il” which means “province”. So it’s not surprising to see it in the names of provinces. So if I was talking about a province named after you I woud say “Athos77 ili”. As in “Athos77s province”. The change from “ili” to “eli” happens when the last vowel of the first word is an “a” (Just taking “kocaeli” and possibly “kırklareli” as an example here). In turkish vowels are distinguished between “deep” (aoıu) and “high” (eiöü) and “wide” (aeoö) and “narrow” (ıiuü). The jump from a deep and wide vowel (in this case a) to a high and narrow vowel (i) sounds very jarring in turkish so the high and narrow “i” is changed to a high and wide “e” to make the transition from “a” less jarring as it only breaks one category instead of both at the same time. I hope that made sense.

athos77,

Thank you, that was a very comprehensive and informative explanation!

mathemachristian,

It’s been a decade and a half since I had to use that knowledge lol Kind of suprised what I remember from 7th grade I think?? 😂

athos77,

I think it's fantastic!

link,
@link@lemy.lol avatar

As the title says, it is direct translation without context. But good info 👍

Bye, in Map countries where using VPNs is against the law

Taiwan is not part of China

MxM111,
MxM111 avatar

China is part of Taiwan.

Or more precisely, PRC is rebelled provinces of China.

GreenMario,

West Taiwan

FuglyTheBear,

Hello from Taiwan, while your heart’s in the right place this meme actually plays into China’s hands as it fits their one-china narrative. Taiwan considers itself an independent nation and hopes the wider international community will begin treating it as such.

Bondrewd, (edited )

Last time I heard you still officially maintain your claims to mainland China, Mongolia and part of Russia and India.

Also, I wouldnt say his heart is in the right place. PRC is the direct result of the faliure of the KMT junta and its widespread terror.

Either “China” only ever hurt mainland. Taiwan is a democracy that circumstantially became viable and manageable (even then, it took decades) on an island with the population of 20 million people.

I agree with your sentiment that Taiwan is probably better off by itself. Nobody actually knows how to manage mainland properly.

MxM111,
MxM111 avatar

I don’t get it. What’s wrong with my heart?

drunkenmonkie2,
xor,

acknowledging the Chinese position that there is but one China and Taiwan is part of China

The US “acknowledges China’s position” on Taiwan, but carefully avoids an explicit official stance on Taiwanese sovereignty.

MxM111,
MxM111 avatar

Coincidently, Taiwan position is the same.

soggy_kitty,

I wonder if the US also “acknowledges UKs position” on the Falklands or straight up supports them because they’re in bed together

vaultdweller013,

Arent the Falklands largely populated b people of British descent? Also I just skimmed the wiki article and while Argentina did attempt to settle the islands in the early 1800s, that was over 200 years ago and the island has been held decently well by the British since.

Plus I doubt the Falklanders want to be part of the shitshow that is Argentina, the UK may be a mess but they usually let their random islands do their own thing.

echodot,

There was a referendum on the subject and apparently only one person on the entire Island voted to be Argentinian, and he had an Argentinian wife so possibly a biased opinion.

It was obviously a secret vote but given the fact that he was the only one that ever said anything pro Argentinian, it was pretty easy to work out.

Both countries might have right wing nationalist governments but at least the UK’s government is incompetent and is therefore unlikely to be a major threat to your liberty.

lorty,
@lorty@lemmy.ml avatar

They don’t acknowledge Taiwan “sovereignty” because they support the claim that the legitimate government of all of China is the one in Taiwan.

xor,

No, they do not.

Their de facto stance is that the Taiwanese government is sovereign over the island, but they formally accept that the PRC is the government of China.

It’s a careful line between ensuring the continued de facto independence of their key ally, without inducing the inevitable temper tantrum from China of formally treating them as independent.

Agent641,

Nice try, Xi!

pigup,
DAMunzy,

Not even Taiwan says that though. ;)

originalfrozenbanana, in Map countries where using VPNs is against the law

Tankies hate this one weird trick

echodot,

The Tankies are baned Russia, apparently they are subversive. It seems that no one likes them very much.

folivora, in Map countries where using VPNs is against the law

Taiwan can use VPN (not restricted) and not against the law. Just saying.

crystal,

against who’s law

itsnotits,

against whose* law

SaakoPaahtaa,

Against Taiwanese law. Taiwan is an independent nation and its liberty is non-negotiable.

Agent641,

China coast guard coming to put a big net around your house as we speak.

SaakoPaahtaa,

I can see they’re already building small sand atolls off the coast

JackOfAllTraits, (edited )

Ok, calm down a bit. Even the Taiwanese do not claim to be independent. Their official stance is that they are just a rival government of China - aka Republic of China. For all the sabre-rattling, Taiwan is very much willing to negotiate with Bejing.

I do hope that, as much of Taiwanese public seemingly wants, Taiwan becomes an independent island nation, but we are still far off from that, at least in de jure sense.

SaakoPaahtaa,

Who the fuck cares about official claims? I guess the war in Ukraine is about denazifying since that’s the official statement :)

Realistically though, official claims are diplomatic UN roleplay and actions are what matters; the US states that Taiwan is not independent but arms the absolute cock out of what they claim is ch*na.

JackOfAllTraits, (edited )

I didn’t say China’s official claims, but Taiwans. We shouldn’t push them into positions they are not ready to take, since its their necks on the line…

If they ever declare indeoendence, we should stand with them.

SaakoPaahtaa,

I didn’t specify which claim it was, I pointed out how hollow and contextual those claims are.

Is Taiwan claiming to be independent in the chambers of the UN? No.

Does it act, and is it acted upon as if it was independent? Yes.

Am I a cop? No.

Am I the cop who arrested your mom in her bed chamber last night after she confessed to have been real naughty? Yes.

It’s fascinating to see someone come across nuance for the first time.

JackOfAllTraits,

Am I the cop who arrested your mom in her bed chamber last night after she confessed to have been real naughty? Yes.

This. This is a great reminder that, when one is tempted to argue on the internet, they shouldn’t. Almost always, the person on the other side is either a kid or an idiot.

Buffalox, in How many people live in their own property?

Here in Denmark laws are pretty good, and protect renters. We also have a system that I can best translate as “housing to benefit the communality”, that is a semi public system to provide cheap housing for ordinary people (originally workers).

That might explain why we have a relatively low degree of home owners.

On the other hand, AFAIK Sweden did a lot more than we did in the 70’s and 80’s to provide cheap rental housing. Yet they have more home owners?

genfood,

As it should be!

Cornpop, in No hurricane has ever crossed the equator

For anyone else wondering about that single path near the southern part of Brazil: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Catarina

marcos,

They could add 2 more if they updated the map into this year.

Cornpop,

What 2? According to the wiki this is still the only one on record.

Phen,

We had two cyclones in the last two/three months.

Cornpop,

I don’t think they were strong enough to be considered hurricane strength like Catarina. It’s the only one on record.

Phen,

They were stronger than usual (we actually had several cyclones this year if we count all of them) so I’m assuming that’s what OP referred to. I still slept through one of them without even noticing it so nowhere as strong as Catarina.

This month’s winds reached 2/3 the speed of Catarina.

en.wikipedia.org/…/2023_Rio_Grande_do_Sul_floods

Nahvi,

Well that is super interesting. Was wondering if that was a visual artifact.

SamsonSeinfelder, in Countries in North Africa that have had coups since 2020

Can someone explain what these countries have in common that they form this straight line across north africa?

anewbeginning,

Amongst the poorest in Africa.

angrymouse,

I really think that is about islamic extremism, especially ISIS related grousp. Not that these groups attempt coups directly but they cause an absurd amount of political chaos

miles, (edited )

this area is known as the Sahel, it contains some of the poorest countries in the world.

match,
@match@pawb.social avatar

the Wagner group is active across this region, typically hired by juntas that displace the western-allied governments and pay the Wagner group for security by granting Wagner control over some resource extraction

psychothumbs,

That’s kind of a chicken and the egg thing - mercenary groups are probably bad for stability, but on the other hand they’re not really operating in regions that weren’t pretty unstable in the first place.

PochoHipster,

They are all in the Sahel region. The Sahara is expanding into them as the climate changes.

akhenaten0,

This. Climate pressure is agriculture pressure is economic pressure is political pressure.

Doesn’t seem to bode well for the Great Green Wall project, does it?

ProcurementCat, (edited )

I’ll take a wild guess and say “russias Wagner mercenary troop is active there”

Edit: Im not joking, they immediately flew the russian flag after the coup was successful

Blaze, in [Meta] What do you think of migrating to c/map_enthusiasts@sopuli.xyz?

Hello, thank you for this post, I missed it!

AA5B, (edited ) in Nation-to-Nation

Nothing in Hawaii? I thought there was an entire island that only allows tribals

Edit: Wikipedia article had a lot more recent history than I remember noticing - Bill Clinton signed an apology for overthrowing the Kingdom. It looks like they needed self-governance to be a tribe but that was blocked by Supreme Court as racist - I may be misunderstanding

HootinNHollerin, in [Meta] What do you think of migrating to c/map_enthusiasts@sopuli.xyz?

I really dislike the trend of putting ‘porn’ in community names that are not porn so I’m for it

Rognaut,

Frankly, I think it’s fucking stupid. I hate all the foodporn, mapporn, dogporn. It gets really confusing when I’m beating it.

NeptuneOrbit, in Nation-to-Nation

The footnote about “totally removed” is a little odd because I think some/many of these states has state recognized tribes.

Which I think mostly means either the tribes just refused to ever sign a treaty with the federal government, or just kind of reassembled after the bulk of their tribe was driven off the original land.

Virginia, North and South Carolina, and Georgia, for example, all have state recognized tribes.

…wikipedia.org/…/State-recognized_tribes_in_the_U…

Twitches,

Even the native Americans/ Indians didn’t want to live in Missouri lol

grue,

Which I think mostly means either the tribes just refused to ever sign a treaty with the federal government

In Georgia, it was the opposite: the Muscogee — or at least, an asshole tribal leader purporting to represent them — did sign a treaty. He got almost immediately executed for selling out his people and the legitimate leaders sent a delegation to DC to repudiate it, but it was too late and the tribe eventually lost all its land anyway.

viking, in [Meta] What do you think of migrating to c/map_enthusiasts@sopuli.xyz?
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The admins made very clear that they don’t tolerate locked communities and will remove mods and assign it to somebody new. So by all means you can suggest people to move elsewhere, but you won’t be having much fun in trying to force them.

GBU_28,

Just beat it to all content, without pause

Cris_Color, in [Meta] What do you think of migrating to c/map_enthusiasts@sopuli.xyz?
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I didn’t realize there was a second one, thanks for making me aware 😅

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