Tinidril,

I agree with everything except the second point.

That’s amazing since all three points were in direct contradiction to what you just said.

Leftists have proven themselves not to be counted on for turnout.

False. If you went with young voters then you might have a point, except that I would disagree with the framing. I would frame it as “The establishment Democratic candidates have proven themselves incapable of earning the youth vote”. That’s certainly now the case for 2024.

The whole centrist thing hasn’t been valid since the 90s. The electorate isn’t laid out on spectrum from left to right anymore - if it ever was. A real discussion of how it breaks down would get really involved, but the populist/establishment divide is quickly becoming dominant over left/right. That’s why Trump beat Hillary. The Democrats ran the most establishment centrist candidate possible against a far right populist and we all paid the price. The centrist position today is “Yeah, the politicians are corrupt as hell, but it’s working out for me”. It has nothing to do with the left/right spectrum. Centrist Democrats underperform in blue, red, and purple districts when compared to progressives in similar districts.

The numbers I showed you on support for the occupation included right wing voters who are almost entirely backing Israel. The percentage of voters who might vote for Biden and support Israel is small and shrinking fast.

There is no path now for Biden to be seen as the good guy, and he absolutely isn’t going to suspend enough aid to move Israel anyways.

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