Alors que David Guiraud (LFI) est interrogé par les journalistes, Meyer Habib (LR) vient l’invectiver. «On n’a pas élevé les cochons ensemble », lance ce dernier. David Guiraud réplique : « C’est toi le cochon, tu es dans la boue du génocide ».
Pays-Bas : un ancien chef du renseignement à la tête d'une coalition de droite
Dick Schoof, l'ancien chef des services de renseignement et de lutte contre le terrorisme néerlandais, est sur le point de devenir le nouveau Premier ministre des Pays-Bas à la tête d'un gouvernement de coalition dirigé par le parti d'extrême droite PVV de Geert Wilders.
Destroying the planet we live on -- the only planet we can live on -- is of course totally legal and even supported and subsidised by governments around the world (including #Scotland's).
But PROTESTING against destroying the planet? That's illegal. That's very, very illegal. Don't even think about doing that.
@simon_brooke@lienrag@pgcd@TomSwirly it would (will? hopefully not) be an apocaliptic catastrophy (and for some, it already is), no one here is arguing that, but some places on earth would still be livable, and some people, a much smaller population than now, would still survive there, it would be an incredible setback for humanity, and many other species, but it would almost cerlainly not be the end of it. Now, more importantly, how do we make it as small a disaster as possible?
@simon_brooke@lienrag@pgcd@TomSwirly extraordinary, yes, for these lattitudes, but still livable (more than now, actually). i suspect high altitude land would also be inhabitable and fertile enough to live of, for small communities.
Again, this would be catastrophic, and we need to act as strongly as possible to avoid it, but i do not think exagerating the (already immense) problem, is useful, people easily do that too easily to avoid acting when grasping the importance of the problem.
@simon_brooke@lienrag@pgcd@TomSwirly Well, i think, and i should really invest myself more into that, so take it with a grain of salt, that local politics is how we ultimately get to influence at the larger scale, it’s a lot easier to get someone elected at a city council, as mayor, or as other locally very influential roles, than at national or international levels, and these in turn, influence the higher levels, that’s how the right managed to get an insane amount of power.
@simon_brooke@lienrag@pgcd@TomSwirly Sure it helps a lot when someone at the top is more or less on your side, but they don’t have that much power if the local governments are fighting against it, and it’s when both align that you see real change. (So of course, one should also vote for the other levels, but activism here is a lot less effective, if still necessary).
Air travel, while disproportionately polluting compared to the number of people it helps, is a tiny tiny part of the problem.
@simon_brooke@lienrag@pgcd@TomSwirly So if we absolutely need to rein it down, we know that’s not going to be enough, not by an order of magnitude, change is needed across the board, and stopping fossil fuel extraction, while necessary is only possible by changing not just our means of transportation, but also of productions, and their scale. We move incredible amounts of products across the oceans, each with a tiny footprint, but they add up to a lot, so supply chains need to be rethought.
@simon_brooke@lienrag@pgcd@TomSwirly our food production is unsustainable, but it’s needed to feed our population, so it needs to be transformed, not disassembled, sure, going vegan (i did) can buy us time, but even that is not enough if we don’t adapt further.
The real, purest, deal is energy, how we produce it, and what we use it for. Because we can’t just throw back into poverty the small part of humanity that got out of it, we need to lift the rest, in a sustainable way.
@simon_brooke@lienrag@pgcd@TomSwirly (and i’m totally fine with making the global 1%, and even the occidental 1%, poorer, if we cut on the most wasteful activities, but that’s just not enough, especially if we allow — and we should — the poorer 50% of humanity to get decent means to live).
There is no silver bullet, we need all the useful things.
stop waste
renewables & nuclear
use for longer things that are energy intensive, and make them less so.
+5 would be from 3 to 48% of species, very likely catastrophic but that’s a very large interval (3% seems unrealistically low to me, so i have to assume 48% is quite unlikely, even, if, being more pessistic than them, i think it’s likelier than 3%, but my opinion, here, is not what the science community says, i’m being pessimistic)
@simon_brooke@lienrag@pgcd@TomSwirly it’s not, but a tiny portion of humanity even flies at all. It’s a highly priviledged activity, for social justice reason, it needs to be reined in, because we can’t ask poorer persons to make efforts without the richest people doing this kind of effort, but it’s not what matters in the grand scheme of things, much much more people drive a car every day of the year, than people take the plane 2 a year.
@simon_brooke@lienrag@pgcd@TomSwirly I agree it’s a hard problem, solving it is much harder than thinking we are doomed, which is the result of alarmist communication, people very easily think it’s too late anyway, and we need to point at solutions, at all levels, instead of saying "this is the end of the world". I’m pretty sure the IPCC says that plainly as well, do i need to dig it too?
I would love to see what modern wind based transport would look like and some people are working on it
@lienrag@simon_brooke@pgcd@TomSwirly we, as a species, of course, many many people didn’t make the cut, but yeah, it’s really hard to imagine, with all the extremes humans are currently, and have been for millenias, able to survive, that no community would survive.
And for life in general, many species will thrive after the "end of the world" (for most other species).
It’s not desirable, we need to fight against it, but it’s far from the first mass extinction event on earth.
@simon_brooke@lienrag@pgcd@TomSwirly i’m sorry, i agree it’s a problem, but it i don’t see it as nearly the same importance, can it make life significantly harder, less healthy for many species, including humans? Yes, but i don’t see it causing mass extinction, still, it’s a thing worth raising awareness of, and finding solutions to, it just doesn’t have the same level of urgency to me. But every fight needs people committed to it.
@simon_brooke@lienrag@pgcd@TomSwirly doing half mesures across the board is a lot better than trying to do perfect ones anywhere, imho, when we see even modicus of changes are being rejected, every small policy step matters a lot.
Biden’s inflaction reduction act reportedly places the US very close to (but not at) the necessary levels in 2030, though a lot more efforts are needed after that, it’s a good starting point, and a hell lot better than nothing.
@simon_brooke@lienrag@pgcd@TomSwirly
Simon Clark does good science based communication about climate change, and this is not my favorite video of him, but it’s a good one, and it touched a lot of people, allowed them to think about a possible future path, that is of course all but uncertain, but in the realm of possible, and i think representative of the direction we need to think.
@TomSwirly@simon_brooke@lienrag@pgcd if you cut my words like this, i’m not going to think it’s a honest conversation, the words just before were "thinking we are doomed", not "thinking there is a problem", because there is a very real problem, but we are not doomed, we have solutions, alarmist communication gives the impression there is no way out, and is part of the problem.
@simon_brooke@lienrag@pgcd@TomSwirly No, i’m not talking about softening the image, i’m talking about not making it worse than it is, many young people are clinically depressed because they just don’t see a future for themselves in the climate crisis, do you think that makes them more productive at fighting it? If it was representative of the truth, i would understand, but if their beliefs are much much more pessimistic than the scientific community, there is a problem.
@simon_brooke@TomSwirly@lienrag@pgcd China is installing millions of square meters of solar panels, and there is reasonable hope that their coal consumption will peak (and thus start going down) this year, or not much later than that. Yes, it’s not a drastic cut, but we know hoping for that is unrealistic, and i’ll take a an actual waning (a first in our history) over the irrealistic hope of a brutal cut.
Saoudi Arabia knows the days of oil are numbered, and tries (very badly tho.) to evolve.
@simon_brooke@TomSwirly@lienrag@pgcd (Australia can absolutely and should definitely do better, and people can vote and protest to help it, contrary to the other two countries)
FFS ... Those things on a clock dial are called hands ... HANDS ... And what the hand is pointing to indicates what that hand is called, like hour hand, minute hand, seconds hand and even date hand
Not pointers, handles, the big or little one or any other things you can think ... I have heard someone call them the "sticks"
