matzipan, 15 days ago

@frumble icon themes.

The Phoronix thread you linked actually has a lot of people debunking a lot of misconceptions.

frumble, 15 days ago

@matzipan There is also this other in-thread topic of GNOME willfully breaking icon theming for other desktops: https://chaos.social/@frumble/112384973348127781

matzipan, 14 days ago

@frumble you are misreading this on several levels. GNOME is breaking icon theming not for other desktops, but for it's own desktop. This only happens when you use GNOME with adwaita as the main theme.

This thing has been changed for at least 2 years now. And someone noticed only now, which should give you an idea of the size of the problem.

matzipan, 14 days ago

@frumble And it is true, icon themes have been a major sticking point for app developers for a very long time. You never know what icons you're going to find, and how they are going to look on other distros.

I remember having this issue all the way back in 2013 when moving a simple app across distros meant the whole UI was broken due to missing/renamed icons. This makes it impossible for developers to offer a cohesive experience, so devs just give up and vendors their own icons.

matzipan, 14 days ago

@frumble The fact that KDE app devs have stuck with this for so long is admirable but also frankly unnecessary. When you have a specific UX concept in mind, leaving it to the icon theme to decide what to show can lead to the wrong symbol or metaphor being shown, degrading the UX.

frumble, 14 days ago

@matzipan This is the typical baffling arrogant #GNOME mindset: We want to dictate the theming and everyone else is WRONGWRONGWRONG!!!1

Your themes not being #FDO compatible makes the programs using them look alien on other desktops. But GNOME just doesn’t care. KDE does! And the other way around too!

And what about people with sensory issues who cannot use themes anymore? Are they a collateral damage for GNOME for a hypothetical Apple-minded issue not really existing?

https://chaos.social/@dusthillperson@mastodon.me.uk/112385313460795614

razze, 14 days ago

@frumble @matzipan suggesting kde apps don't look alien on other DEs is something

frumble, 14 days ago

@razze @matzipan Stop calling them "apps", that’s ridiculous Apple parlor.
Qt / KDE software tries to be open to theming.

matzipan, 14 days ago

@frumble @razze as a Linux "app" developer myself, I think I can call my "app" what I prefer.

If KDE is more open to theming and has more priorities in this sense, it's their call and nobody can take that away from them.

Nobody is forced to use GNOME and everybody can fork anything at anytime, which is what happened many times already.

So being mad in the internet about this is not something any of us should do.