Hackerman_uwu,

There is no question in my mind that one hundred years from now we will look back at our treatment of animals in the same way we look back upon slavery.

Gloomy,
@Gloomy@mander.xyz avatar

That would be nice, wouldn’t it? I am less optimistic, given the way the world is going. It it would be nice.

v4ld1z,
@v4ld1z@lemmy.zip avatar

Your reminder to go vegan if you’re not already :)

copd,

Who’s downvoting this?

BigBananaDealer,
@BigBananaDealer@lemm.ee avatar

innocent plants

curiousaur,

I go vegan for a few months every time I watch earthlings, then I remember how to compartmentalize.

v4ld1z,
@v4ld1z@lemmy.zip avatar

lmao cope

unreasonabro,

Everything about this society is irresponsible, haven’t you noticed? “tee hee can’t stop me” is more or less the name of the game and it’s dragged everybody down to its level

thebardingreen,
@thebardingreen@lemmy.starlightkel.xyz avatar

“Responsibility”, “empathy” and “ethics” must never be allowed to stand in the way of profit, religion or old people not having to change.

Gloomy,
@Gloomy@mander.xyz avatar

The declaration:

The New York Declaration on Animal Consciousness

Which animals have the capacity for conscious experience? While much uncertainty remains, some points of wide agreement have emerged.

First, there is strong scientific support for attributions of conscious experience to other mammals and to birds.

Second, the empirical evidence indicates at least a realistic possibility of conscious experience in all vertebrates (including reptiles, amphibians, and fishes) and many invertebrates (including, at minimum, cephalopod mollusks, decapod crustaceans, and insects).

Third, when there is a realistic possibility of conscious experience in an animal, it is irresponsible to ignore that possibility in decisions affecting that animal. We should consider welfare risks and use the evidence to inform our responses to these risks.

melpomenesclevage,

fucking finally.

someguy3, (edited )

The definition of sentience is really low, it’s basically the ability to have sensations and react. The most basic organisms can be argued to have that. The definition is not what I used for most of my life, which is higher intelligence.

grrgyle, (edited )

Higher intelligence is sapience. Whereas sentience means having a perspective and being aware.

E: oops someone beat me to it

Barbarian, (edited )
@Barbarian@sh.itjust.works avatar

So a child isn’t sentient in your opinion? I’ve always understood sentience as the ability to have experiences, memories, and emotion (which is different from the paper’s definition, that was my layman definition).

yokonzo,

That technically is the definition of sentience, basically consciousness with the ability to react and have awareness of your surroundings. I think the word your looking for is sapience, which is the ability to contemplate and act productively using knowledge and reasoning

someguy3,

Well that’s the word we should use when discussing animal intelligence then.

agamemnonymous,
@agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works avatar

It is. We say sapience when discussing intelligence, and sentience when discussing consciousness.

HauntedCupcake,

I think jumping spiders fit into the sapience category then. They’re known to learn different prey types and change their hunting strategies accordingly, even learning typical behaviour and being able to pick out sick/injured insects and figuring out they don’t need to go full stealth.

They’ve even been observed to enter REM like dreaming states, where it’s assumed they process a lot of the visual information they picked up throughout the day.

So basically every animal higher than the jumping spider might fit into the sapience category, which is kinda wild to think about

yokonzo,

Oh great, even more reason for me to be terrified of spiders

HauntedCupcake,

Jumping spiders are little dears, all of them are harmless to people and don’t spin webs. Very polite guys

systemglitch,

Naw you’re fine. If you give it a chance you can even learn to find them cute.

yokonzo,

Reeeeaaaaally doubt it

Gloomy,
@Gloomy@mander.xyz avatar

Look at it, it’s cuts as hell. (I’ll hide it behind a spoiler tag. A phobia is a phobia, after all)

spoilerhttps://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/9dde354b-044a-40fb-af6a-124924e2cc70.webp

frauddogg,
@frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml avatar

…Oh no that is a cute spood.

miss_brainfarts,

Jumping spiders also seem to be genuinely curious about things. Anytime I want to take a photo of one, it stops, looks at the camera, jumps on it to check it out, and then leaves. Kinda like I’d take a look at a new product on display on a supermarket shelf

RampantParanoia2365,

Yeah, the word they’re looking for is Sapient. Which is pretty surprising considering it’s their word.

Sanctus,
@Sanctus@lemmy.world avatar

sentience
noun

  1. The quality or state of being sentient; consciousness.
  2. Feeling as distinguished from perception or thought.
    3.The quality or state of being sentient; esp., the quality or state of having sensation.

I think it is irresponsible wether these creatures are sentient or not. We never know when we’ll cut enough threads to make an ecosystem come undone.

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