gillrmn,
gillrmn avatar

On one hand, remains of handful of people are being brought back from depths of titanic - while 750 of them are being thrown into the same depths to be lost forever.

Property > human life.

That is the reality of today we are living in.

metaStatic,

Those with the means to retrieve that property don't consider poor people as human life.

it's an easy mistake to make.

RemembertheApollo,

Weeks of coverage over a few billionaires out on a lark to view a shipwreck and this is the first I’ve heard about more than 80 people dying in another sinking.

The difference is money.

FaceDeer,
FaceDeer avatar

Odd, because I hear about it in nearly ever comment section on articles about the sinking of the Titan.

The difference is not money, it's novelty. The fact that a submarine built with hubristic lack of adequate safety was lost at the site of the Titanic's wreck is going to catch a lot of attention. It fits so perfectly into the narrative of the original Titanic's sinking. And losing a submarine at all is noteworthy, that doesn't happen very often.

A ship loaded with immigrants sinking in the Mediterranean is, unfortunately, a Tuesday. It's like the Joker says, nobody panics when everything goes as expected, even when what's expected is horrible.

FaceDeer,
FaceDeer avatar

This comparison is becoming quite tiresome, IMO.

The two incidents happened in completely different oceans, thousands of miles from each other, and involved two completely different sorts of salvage operation. The equipment used in one operation would have been basically useless in the other operation, even if it could have got there. There's nothing wrong about carrying out two different rescue operations simultaneously in the world, it's not some grand symbolic statement on wealth inequality or whatever.

buster_de_beer,

There is absolutely something wrong spending millions on the search and rescue of a bunch of idiots who signed disclaimers and could easily have paid for a safe sub several times over. It's not the equipment used that is the issue it's the effort at all. Those billionaire morons simply don't deserve the effort, nor does it make any sense to have even tried. Unless their estate is footing the bill, but that sounds far fetched.

Vagabond,

Here's something you need to consider though. We need a well trained Navy and Coast Guard. It's kind of a necessity that those guys know how to perform water rescues and can perform them well. And it's for that reason that they actually use events like this for training when they can. Obviously this is extraordinarily rare, so typically they stage trainings for deep water recoveries instead. This is more useful, more real training than the latter option. Likely no one is going to need to pay for the recovery because it's built into the Navy and Coast Guards budgets set aside for training that would have otherwise paid for a staged recovery. Only this time, they were able to use an actual disaster as a training opportunity. They likely knew, or we're at least confident that the sub imploded on that Sunday but still spent 4 days on the recovery effort partly to train and partly to get additional evidence to confirm their suspicions.

FaceDeer,
FaceDeer avatar

Okay, let's assume for the sake of argument that it's "okay" to just let people die because you don't like them.

What about the 19-year-old kid who was on board the sub, who didn't really want to be there but who was trying to please is dad for Father's Day by accompanying him? Screw him too because you don't like his father, I guess?

szczur,
szczur avatar

I dream of a world in which people already walking the Earth had their rights to live protected.
Because all we hear about is "protect unborn life!" and yet...

stopthatgirl7,
stopthatgirl7 avatar

It sounds like the Greek coast guard really effed it up and are trying to make their part in this disappear.

Nowyn,

As always. Greek officials instead of focusing on fixing their incompetence are focusing on covering it and stopping people talking about it. This is why there is a huge wave of criminalization of refugees, aid workers, and aid organizations but no retraining and proper investigations into misconduct. None of this is surprising. Or new.

stopthatgirl7,
stopthatgirl7 avatar

Neither surprising nor new, but depressing nonetheless.

Gamers_Mate,

"The Greek authorities have previously denied this, claiming that when they tried to tie a rope to the boat to come aboard and assess the situation, people on board tried to remove it, saying they wanted to travel on to Italy. "

They probably tried to remove it because towing an old ship full of hundreds of people is really dangerous.
This is messed up and should never have happened.

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