Torrenting exposes your public IP. In a country where government doesn't care, does that pose a risk?
I honestly don’t believe I will have any legal trouble because I don’t do anything like cp or worse, I just pirate media I like, not even porn. But across users of communities, or on public trackers, is IP exposure something to be concerned about?
Does the government just “not care” or is piracy specifically legal because there aren’t local laws against it?
While you say they don’t care right now, do you think there is a possibility that they might care in the future? Because governments often capture lots of information on their citizens with the knowledge that they can then target people that they dislike. Piracy is one of many things governments can use against a person if they really dislike them or what they’re doing.
If it’s explicitly not illegal and won’t be in the near future, I wouldn’t be too worried.
However, it might be a good idea to avoid public trackers anyway and focus on slowly growing a good reputation on private trackers. That might take some time, especially if you have a slow connection, which is quite possible in a country that doesn’t care about this sort of thing.
You won’t necessarily need a VPN for a private tracker, but it gives you a small amount of protection since at least the members of a private tracker are a (supposedly) vetted, trusted community instead of just any random person grabbing your IP.
It’s more up to the isp. I torrented VPN free for a couple years when I lived in Burlington, Vermont and used the Burlington Telecom ISP. No copyright letter, no fees, and no legal issue.
is your country a member state in WTO? are your copyright laws compatible with that of the US? does your country recognise foreign copyright claims from the countries that your pirated media comes from?
your worst risk as someone who just pirates safe media for personal consumption is getting a letter from your isp and that only happens if there are laws against it on the books and your isp feels threatened. if your country simply doesn’t enforce its copyright laws it’s unlikely you’ll be chosen to be punished to set an example (they’ll most certainly target notorious distributors) and your chance of getting sued by a media company amongst thousands of potential defendants in what i assume is a third world country is almost non existent.
I lived in Cambodia and the gov doesn’t really care about pirating media and games so I can pirate as much as I wanted but ironically they arrested one of the pirate bay founder here and deported him back to Sweden
Recent qbitorrent update supports cross sharing between public/i2p users.
But people have to enable the option, most public trackers aren’t aware off and most private trackers are not into sharing their well builded closed piracy club money making scheme
they could still be recording your IP, with intent to build a case against you, even if that requires one day in the future that your government randomly decides to bend the knee to the US. I still think that’s a long shot though.
dont give 'em anything to fuck with you down the road. seems a no brainer. “Mrs. TheHooligan95? ahh yes we are here to confiscate your home because your son TheHooligan95 illegally downloaded Ninja Kods 3 back in 2001. No, you cant talk to your son. He was already executed for corporate treason this reason.”
People have and will be executed for dumber reasons.
White rich girl picked you out of the lineup. Don’t worry, DNA science won’t prove you’re innocent for another decade after justice has been carried out.
Also these people lawyers are surely building large network graphs to identify p2p traffic so one might as well give them less information about where other people are seeding to or torrenting from.
What do you mean by “the government doesn’t care”? Do you mean that they are not enforcing copyright protection laws to your knowledge? Or that copyright protection laws don’t actually exist in your country at all? If the laws exist but are not being enforced, there is always a possibility that they will be enforced in the future or that a change in government will lead to a change in approach. Your government could also potentially pass new laws in the future that make it easier for foreign entities to go after yourself and other pirates through your local courts.
You need to work out exactly what the law in your country says, what the government’s attitude towards piracy is and whether there is a legal precedent in your country for the prosecution of pirates. For example, in Australia we have copyright laws and a government that is at least somewhat committed to upholding them, but we also had a significant court case a little over a decade ago in which it was ruled that the ISP being sued was not responsible for the piracy its users were allegedly engaging in. This essentially set a legal precedent within Australia that allows ISPs to turn a blind eye to piracy and makes it more difficult for foreign entities to prosecute Australian pirates. This is why most court-ordered anti-piracy action within Australia is limited to DNS blocks on websites. As a result, many Australians feel safe torrenting without a VPN because they believe it is very unlikely their ISP could be compelled in court to hand over their information or that there is even the will to attempt this following that high profile defeat in 2012.
In my country it is illegal to share, but not illegal to download, since when consuming you’re not meant as a websurfer to know the source of that something. Should that law change, it cannot retroactively affect something that happened in the past. So I don’t plan ever to share anything publicly, but only the very few things I’m very passionate about to the point I want to share them with communities of friends which you can access through invites only. Sharing a back up copy with your friends is not illegal either even if the EULA or whatever says it is, unlike for example in the UK.
I was specifically asking about cybersecurity in general.
I think that’s not necessarily true. There’s certainly some good reasons to have a distinction between the original uploader and all the rest of the additional seeders. It’s going to come down to local law.
An analogy is if you buy some illicit substance and split it up with a few friends who pay you their share. Whether or not your local authorities considers you an illegal drug dealer could be highly dependent on scale, profitability, frequency, clientele, etc. Those details could be the difference between a slap on the wrist and some hard time.
I don’t know the laws that well, but there is a distinction in Canadian law between uploading and downloading. I’m not entirely sure how applicable to torrenting that is, but I think there’s a reasonable argument that if you are the original uploader, you must have uploaded the content in it’s entirety, whereas that’s not necessarily true for anyone else downloading the torrent, and certainly not provably so.
@TheHooligan95 Lol. Torrenting is sharing. And for now you haven’t been visited, but I’m certain Hollywood will pay a visit to your local enforcer chief to explain to him the technicalities over fine wine & dinner.
The risk is still there. Keep your share ratios to 3 so you don’t look like a big problem as @Melkath put it. And when you get a letter from somebody complaining, it’s time to start looking into a VPN.
The second best thing to do is your own research into your country’s laws, and subscribing to e-mail alerts so you can know if the law will change. At least a google alert at a minimum.
In some countries private law firms chase down infringers on behalf of copyright holders. They then attempt shakedowns with the threat of legal action if you don’t pay. They have a financial interest to catch people, and moral compasses vary.
Also, mistakes can happen (you, your family, guests using your wifi, in the courts, in the ISPs, in the law firms, in the tech they are using to identify people). Shit happens.
And if (when) it happens, then you would still have to deal with it, costing you time and money.
Understand the risks and make choices to minimize them if you can.
In my country it is illegal to share, but not illegal to download
By torrenting, you are sharing by default as it’s P2P. Even if you choose not to seed after downloading, you’re still sharing while you are downloading as other people who download after you are downloading chunks of the data from your partially downloaded data too.
So technically you are still committing a crime here.
Should that law change, it cannot retroactively affect something that happened in the past
Not necessarily. Very tyrannical governments don’t care and will tread on your rights even going backwards before the law was enacted if they so desire to do so.
Most laws don’t apply retroactively, but some can and do.
Assuming the government defs doesn’t care and wont cooperate with lawsuits.
Yes and no. Knowing your IP is sort of like knowing a PO box you rent. It can be used to try and transmit stuff to you, it can also be crudely geolocated, or if the person you’re buying it from gives you up it can be traced directly to you as a person.
If someone wanted to, and you had terrible safety practices (such as opening mail you aren’t expecting, the digital equivalent would be having software listening to ports) they could send you something harmful but this is probably not very likely unless you are pissing powerful people off (e.g. you’re using that IP to distribute anti mossad documentaries or something :P). Your biggest threat is that somebody finds out who you are by going to your ISP and making them give you up.
If you are confident that this is very high effort and you are a small fish it’s not much of a risk.
If you do use a VPN for torrenting, ensure it supports port forwarding. You won’t be able to seed if the provider doesn’t allow port forwarding. Sharing is caring :)
AirVPN is currently one of the best VPNs that support port forwarding, but there’s some others that do, too. NordVPN doesn’t support it. There’s an old list here: old.reddit.com/…/list_of_vpns_that_allow_portforw…
I am not sure, possibly not. Of course this isn’t the ideal scenario, this is why port forwarding is still recommended, but you probably still get away without using it, if you download mostly freeleach and popular torrents. That way you can 1:1 the ratio during the download.
Is the legal environment tomorrow going to be the same for you as it is today? Are they going to change the law, (or the interpretation of it) tomorrow? Have they already done so, but that news hasn’t reached you yet? If they have changed it, does a hostile entity have your information already logged?
To answer your question, yes, you should be concerned about exposing your public IP address.
Oh man, normally I don’t respond to these kinds of posts because I’m always worried I’ll just be helping someone that does CP. BUt, since you 100% definitely don’t, which I think is really cool that you don’t btw, I’m going to give you the advice that you shouldn’t be concerned about IP exposure.
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