In Taiwan, I don’t need your stupid iPhone to use my Line app, which is what everyone uses. I can pay my taxes, my parking fees, my coffee, and so much more. Plus, iPhones are all sorta the same. Why spend the extra money for the same thing?
If you look at the numbers, a LOT of this is China. Sales the western nation are pretty much flat year over year.
Apple sales are down YoY in China, and Huawei are way way up. A lot of these American devices now have their differentiating features stuck behind the great firewall, are outright banned if you work certain jobs, and are subject to a lot of propogada that is promoting national alternatives.
Yep. I had an XR. I kept it until the battery started dying. Now I have a 13, which I got refurbished when the 15 came out so it was not all that expensive. I’ll keep that until the battery starts dying and do it again.
And really, the only reason I’m sticking with it at this point is that I’d probably have to spend several hundred dollars to replace all the paid apps and games I have. If there were some way I could just transfer all of them to an Android, I’d probably get one.
That’s not what the sales numbers show. People are still replacing their phones for new ones, but in China they’re buying Chinese brands, not American brands. Huawei sales are WAY up and is eating into Apple’s market.
The US and China have been battling back and forth over trade, espionage, political influence in Asia, etc. China has been trying to elbow out American brands in the country, and the US has been doing the same.
The reason this is news is because this is a year over year dip. Sales usually slow now, but they’re down more than normal.
It’s also notable because China has been trying to squeeze American tech products out of certain industries, and we’re now seeing American brands get replaced by massive growth with Chinese technology brands.
According to the report, the sales decline came from all across Asia. Net sales were down in Greater China (PRC, Taiwan & Hong Kong), Japan, and the Rest of Asia Pacific, while the Americas and Europe saw an insignificant change that can be rounded up to 0%.
This makes sense. Apple has its status as “the one and only smartphone” in the US, but in other countries buying a phone that costs a tiny fraction as much is probably a bigger draw and has less social stigma.
I’ve had the 13 mini for a couple years for the same reason, I’d like a newer one with upgraded chips/battery but it looks like I’ll just keep this one till it dies. It’s basically the same size as the 4 and aside from the antenna thing that was the best fo factor IMO
I got a 13 Pro Max originally (because I liked big phones when I was using Android), and the weight and sharp edges just made it hurt my hand like hell. Got a 13 Pro instead, and I’ve been kind of wishing they kept the “Mini” lineup going the more I use it…
I was rocking an iPhone 6. Yes, a 6. My wife had an xs max - two weeks ago she dropped it and it smashed. We went and bought a pair of iPhone 15 pro max phones, fully loaded.
they are ridiculously expensive - over 2k a piece. Most people can’t afford that. What happened to sub $1000 phones?
yes there’s a lot of improvements over the 6. But the 6 still functioned perfectly - albeit a bit slowly
the only improvement I can tell as a user over the xs max is the cameras. They are arguably better. Otherwise it’s the same phone.
the software is nearly identical on all three versions. There’s not many “ooo this one does xyz like this, and that’s an improvement”
Bottom line: there just isn’t a reason to upgrade a phone anymore, unless they break. Sales HAS to go down if the price point stays the same or goes up.
My iPhone 14 Plus was sub $1000 last year. Even an iPhone 15 Plus is sub $1000. And the 15 Pro Max with 1TB of storage from Apple directly is $1599 (this was the most expensive I could find on the Apple site.)
It needs to run well without major stutters. Haven’t used an iphone since they got rid of the headphone jack. I would imagine anything even remotely modern will be fine.
The iPhone she sucks though, my mom has one and every part of it (especially the battery) is worse than my cheaper android phone (that’s about the same size)
Yeah it has a good SOC, but “I use a battery bank” is a pretty weak argument. My point wasn’t that you should feel bad for having it, just that other ppl should know it isn’t good value right now.
Brother you are the one who bought the most expensive phone on the market. You realize that you’re reinforcing the market you don’t like, right? Your purchase sends a message to Apple that “Yes, we want crazy expensive phones because people keep buying them”
People can’t afford that shit when groceries and fuel prices are inflated this high. And new phones have tiny incremental changes that nobody gives AF about.
My friend, who has a lot of debt just bought the $1200 15 pro and I was like wtf man you’re broke. I guess it proves that even if apple makes a nonsense item, people will still buy it.
The main reason sales fell this year compared to the year-ago quarter is because the quarter before that Apple wasn't able to keep up with iPhone 14 demand leading to shortages and depleted channel inventory. The following quarter they were able to meet demand and replenish the sales channel leading a boosted year-ago quarter that was $5 billion bigger than it really should have been. Apple didn't have the same production shortages for the 15 launch. It makes this quarter they just reported look like a big decline but that's not really the whole story.
I know and it’s a bummer. It’s basically the same size as the 4, aside from the antenna stuff was my favorite form factor. Guess I’m in the minority who doesn’t need a change for something that works
Agree. Lemmy loves to trash on Apple, but this is actually something it’s hard to criticize them over. Especially compared with any other consumer electronics manufacturers.
Yep. I used to upgrade my iPhone every year just because smartphones were moving fast in the 2010-2020 era. Now, I’m on a three year cycle and barely even notice.
I’ve resold every iPhone I’ve ever owned for 50% of the value or more, and I manage a fleet of iPhones for my job and we still have 5Ses in the wild for people. Apple still provides critical security updates for those devices and we’re at 11 years for those devices. Most people have 7 year old iPhone X era devices and I get almost no complaints or dead devices.
iPhones have ridiculous longevity and hold resale value better than any other device.
Yes, iphones have good build quality and especially in regards to software updates have been great, keeping even older models up to date. Whereas only recently some android manufacturers changed their update policies to support models for longer.
And No, because apple consistently has made it difficult and costly to repair phones, e.g. by pairing all kinds of parts to each other through software.
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