Firefox saw an increase in users (~50% in Germany and ~30% in France) following Apple’s default browser changes in the EU, as did Brave.

Firefox spokesperson Christopher Hilton tells The Verge that the browser has seen a more than 50 percent jump in users in Germany and a nearly 30 percent increase in France.

Brave saw a similar increase in users after Apple started letting users choose their default browsers on iOS 17.4 in the EU last week.

systemglitch,

Apples users could not pick a default browser? Wtf?

bitwolf,

Historically, if you used a browser other than Safari, it was required to just be the UI, the renderer still has to be Safari.

MeanEYE,
@MeanEYE@lemmy.world avatar

Am more surprised you expected this to be a thing. When it comes to Apple users choice is always what Apple chooses. Otherwise they might hurt themselves.

systemglitch,

Everything I’ve ever used gave me a choice, so I just assumed it was universal. Now I know.

neutron,

Haven’t used an apple device personally. I remember struggling when I was trying to copy a file from a friends iphone. Everything was so different.

baseless_discourse, (edited )

I learned the other day that macOS cannot turn mouse acceleration off without going into the terminal, but apparently macOS is user friendly and desktop linux is “only for developers”.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCdcuJZux_g

maniac,
@maniac@lemmy.world avatar

Livakavi 🙌

systemglitch,

Eww!

progettarsi,

no one of the normies care

baseless_discourse,

What do they care about?

progettarsi,

install apps that work 100% of the times without needing to spend time on it, maybe changing accent color idk

squirrelwithnut,

Usability is not just about customizability. Compatibility and ease of troubleshooting and remedying issues are also majorly important, arguably more so than customization.

uis,

Since when mouse acceleration in games is usable? Always-on mouse acceleration is unusability.

Suavevillain,
@Suavevillain@lemmy.world avatar

It looks people just needed to know what choices they had. I love Firefox.

Pantherina,

Could someone add an image of this setup screen?

I dont get why Apple would actively advertise other browsers.

Android is completely open and people still use Chrome, as its the default and nothing advertizes Firefox (Mull) or others like Cromite, Brave, Vivaldi etc.

brlemworld,

Chrome isn’t necessarily the default. Samsung Browser is a thing

ForgotAboutDre,

Samsung browser is just chrome in a jacket.

The biggest threat to an free and open internet is chrome. Chromium the base of chrome is open source and used by many other browsers as the engine (and most of the features). Everything else is clothing. Chrome, edge, brave, Vivaldi etc are all chrome in a mask.

Since chromium is developed and controlled by Google they have defacto control over how these browsers work, operate and display web content. This gives Google massive leverage in control how the web and it’s standards develop.

There is only two other web browser. Firefox and safari. These are the only other operations cable of building and maintaing a modern web browser currently. Chrome took apples safari open source core WebKit to build chrome. They then forked it. Because Google chrome is so powerful, apple will need to follow to keep inline with Google. Google also pays them billions every year. Likewise Firefox is funded by Google through default search.

Google is trying to control the web. Use Firefox.

Sl00k,

From the Brave PR account:

https://programming.dev/pictrs/image/039a56cd-a7dd-4370-9a56-e3a57eca0722.jpeg

Also I believe it was legally required by the EU. List is randomized.

Pantherina,

Fucking onion browser??? Damn

D_Air1,
@D_Air1@lemmy.ml avatar

So as it turns out, if you give people a choice. Some of them will pick something else.

thisbenzingring,

I can’t live without Firefox on my android phone

user224,
@user224@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Unfortunately, I had to decide for Opera instead. It’s much better for larger screens: It properly scales desktop websites and has desktop-style tab switcher.

Ghostalmedia, (edited )
@Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

Analytics nit:

30% of increase in daily installs ≠ 30% increase in users. It might lead to that, but only they maintain the increased install rates and maintain active users.

If I my sandwich shop sells 30% more sandwiches one day, that doesn’t mean I’m certain to make 30% more money at the end of the year. I might make more, I might make less.

Edit: also, this OS update has just rolled out. So this peak might last for a few days, then change once people are no longer getting the initial set up screen.

18_24_61_b_17_17_4,
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I saw you posted this in the Firefox community as well. Why did you mention Brave in the title here but not there?

BearOfaTime,

Because that’s the Firefox community?

kamenlady,
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Ikr? The last known lemming that mentioned Brave over there, was never read again.

romp_2_door,

@Mistral do you think these new users will stick around?

PixelAlchemist,

Aren’t they all still WebKit under the hood though? Until they allow other web engines this is still just the illusion of choice.

darkevilmac,
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I believe part of the DMA means that they’re allowed to use their own engines. Whether they have that ready right now I’m not sure, but I’m sure it’s in the works.

cybersandwich,

I thought Firefox said that they were going to have to write two different browsers so they weren’t going to.

bassomitron,

Why would they? They already have a Mac build, I can’t imagine it’d be that huge of a difference, but maybe iOS is a lot more different than I realize.

dustyData,

Despite Apple’s lies, iOS and macOS are still pretty different beasts with their own quirks. And iOS is way more tightly locked down and under Apple’s thumb than macs.

bassomitron,

I suppose I’m not surprised. Typical Apple shenanigans.

AProfessional,

The new browser option iOS exposed is a very strict and limiting custom API to make a browser engine. It’s purposefully obtuse to be terrible but compliant.

rambaroo,

They should be fined for this too. Deliberately obfuscating the solution isn’t compliance.

BearOfaTime,

You could already run Webkit Firefox on iOS - I have for years - it’s how I keep tabs synced between devices

I’m pretty sure this is Firefox with Gecko (is gecko still the engine? My memory ain’t workin too great right now).

AProfessional,

iOS shows a dialog for choosing a browser option in the EU now. Nothing to do with engines.

aeronmelon,

Browsers can now run their own rendering engines, which are sandboxed at the app level.

System-level HTML, like web apps on the home screen, are still using WebKit.

Which is how it should have been from the start.

IamAnonymous,

So are we allowed to use all extensions on Firefox? Is it same as Firefox on Andriod?

aeronmelon,

Mozilla would have to update the iOS app to both run their engine and accept their plugins.

But it will never be like the Android app because the iOS app will still be sandboxed and not allowed to run code outside of itself.

shortwavesurfer,

But… But… But… We are Apple and we know best. Our users don’t want choices!

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