DragonBallZinn,
@DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net avatar

Whether or not I believe in the free-market is irrelevant, because capitalists most certainly don’t.

DyingOfDeBordom,

Keep trying Biden, they’re just gonna make them so cheap the tariff is nothing!

nohaybanda,

They’re already there, honestly

DyingOfDeBordom,

idk a 11k car becoming 22k when I could buy like some toyota or some bullshit for 11k is a hard sell for me, a poor person who already can’t afford an 11k car

nohaybanda,

Sorry if I came across as being dismissive. What I meant was that China already has such a competitive advantage that they’re going to corner the EV market no matter what. Poorer people will still be priced out of it, same as they are now with Tesla and the Ford Volt.

As much as I don’t believe EVs are how we tackle the climate crisis, this is still a net loss for the planet.

DyingOfDeBordom,

oh no you’re good dawg, yeah I agree

bennieandthez,
@bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Free market for you but not for me.

NewLeaf,
@NewLeaf@hexbear.net avatar

Like I’ll ever be able to afford a car that’s newer than ten years old anyway.

SuperZutsuki,
@SuperZutsuki@hexbear.net avatar

The Great Tirewall

kelly

viva_la_juche,
@viva_la_juche@hexbear.net avatar

Damn lol.

I saw a lib on tiktok saying “Chinese cars are not banned in America they just have a 28% tariff!” Not too long ago and even with that I was like wow that’s a lot lol

duderium,

Ironic in a way that productive forces are so developed in China that the communists have become free marketeers while the capitalists are back to doing hardcore 18th century protectionist mercantilism.

SuperZutsuki,
@SuperZutsuki@hexbear.net avatar

China really learned from the mistakes of the Soviet Union. They let the capitalists in and the capitalists gleefully destroyed their own productive capacity for a quick profit. This is what long term planning uninterrupted by the endless moving of deck chairs on the Titanic (American elections) gets you.

duderium,

Agreed but to be fair, I think the Soviets would have done this if they could have, but they were facing an imminent invasion from the Nazis and had to batten down the hatches. China’s borders seem more secure to me compared with the USSR, which had lengthy borders with imperialist countries.

SuperZutsuki,
@SuperZutsuki@hexbear.net avatar

Very good point

lil_tank,
@lil_tank@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Well yes but after Stalin there was a possibility for them to do the exact same thing as China, if we’re being a bit idealistic. I think that reform and opening up was due to the Chinese learning from Kruschev’s faults

FuckyWucky,

Just as expected. it doesn’t matter if you do tariffs if you leave it to the free market. there has to be planning for protectionism to work, the capitalists have to obey you like in China or have it be state owned else they will keep making overpriced garbage.

JayTwo,

I just want a new EV that doesn’t cost 40k+ yes-honey-left

nohaybanda,

The BYD Seagull starts at 11-12k. Double that and it’s still relatively affordable. There is no way forward for US EV manufacturing, they’re cooked

dkr567,

“You will only buy our overpriced low quality American EVs and you will like it plebs.” - US state dept

Assian_Candor,
@Assian_Candor@hexbear.net avatar

What EVs lol

highalectical,
@highalectical@lemmygrad.ml avatar

The ones that break when driven in light rain or more than 100 miles. Still a good car btw.

viva_la_juche,
@viva_la_juche@hexbear.net avatar

Drove it off the lot and the screen immediately started flashing a warning but it turned red like an anime mech so you could say there’s good and bad things about the car

Findom_DeLuise,
@Findom_DeLuise@hexbear.net avatar

you-are-a-serfspeech-side-l-1Still love the truck, thoughspeech-side-l-2

Assian_Candor,
@Assian_Candor@hexbear.net avatar

“cheap” lol

Thank you for protecting us from inexpensive, quality cars

jackmarxist,
@jackmarxist@hexbear.net avatar

Don’t you want to buy a $100k Playstation 1 graphics Truck which gives you an amazing drive of 35 miles before breaking down?

REEEEvolution,

Only if it’s dry. In rain you are lucky if you make it 10.

queermunist,
@queermunist@lemmy.ml avatar

But what’s the deal with inflation?? Such a mystery!

iridaniotter,
@iridaniotter@hexbear.net avatar

Ok America is definitely going to ban Chinese solar panels and guarantee an extra degree of warming

Assian_Candor,
@Assian_Candor@hexbear.net avatar

They absolutely will.

These fucking people I swear, they believe in market fairies. They think that if they ban imports, domestic supply will suddenly materialize from nowhere. They’re willing to ban but not willing to invest. Unless it’s some hare brained scheme where they write a capitalist a check for $20B to build a $2B factory

Why would anyone build a big panel factory when the tariffs can just as easily be reversed? Also where are we supposed to get the knowledge and equipment?

It’s all so profoundly stupid, backwards, and FRUSTRATING when you clearly have an example of an alternate system that works and yet refuse to adopt it because of greed, of all things

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