Hypothetically, they could implement some internal api and open Reddit to the fediverse no? What would happen then? (I’m sure they won’t because they want the money… but I’m just speculating…)
Did major instances federate with Threads? Honestly, all I saw from that fiasco were some screenshots of celebrities making fools of themselves. I never saw the outcome.
There is no hierarchical structure in this scenario. You only use the word “leader” because you are accustomed to using such a framework.
Anarchism does not mean there aren’t people with specific skill sets and/or passions who are more suited or dedicated to a task. In the example you mentioned, there is no hierarchy and no leader, at least not in the sense the term “leader” usually manifests in our current system.
Whatever term you want to use, there is no coercion or hierarchy in such a community. Providing guidance and sharing a creative vision is in no way antithetical to anarchism.
There’s no “gotcha” here like you think there is, and the only thing you’ve made clear is that you don’t understand what anarchism is and how it works lol
I think now you’re coming around! 🙏 A task can be accomplished with people providing guidance apart from any hierarchy or coercion.
In a way, something like r/place is a perfect example of how anarchism works on a small scale.
With that being said, I’m sure there are r/place communities where one person insists on total control, which most of us would immediately recognize as toxic.
Unfortunately, scale this toxicity up to a systemic scale, and suddenly we tend to fear even the suggestion that these systems might be harmful.
Sure, if you’re using “leader” to mean coordinator or guide, then there’s absolutely nothing about this that is antithetical to anarchism. In fact, this can be (as I have previously stated) an example of anarchism working on a small scale.
Let me be blunt: I’m not even an an-prim, but this meme is clearly expressing a deliberately misrepresented caricature of what an-prims believe. Instead of opening a dialogue, it instead works to other a group of allies and dismiss their ideas outright because you lack the courage and mental fortitude to address their positions in an honest way. If we were talking about a worldview such as fascism or neoliberalism this approach would make perfect sense, since these are worldviews entirely founded on deception and dishonesty … but anarchism? Really?
Even a meme can be harmful when they are based upon harmful misconceptions, and that’s what this meme is.
No it doesn’t. You just recognized this yourself when you noted that a leader can be a coordinator or guide. This by no means necessitates or even gestures toward a hierarchy.
“Orders” is a pretty unsavory, cynical way to frame a leader’s role. In fact, one could argue that a good leader does not need to lead by coercion or orders. This is the capitalist’s way of leadership: “I have more; therefore I’m above you.”
A good leader guides by expertise and experience, and need not place themself above others.
Leader does not equate authoritarian. Anarchism recognizes such hierarchical leadership for what it is: Abusive and destructive
Wow, it’s amazing how you are wrong about almost everything you say! You seem to be replying to your own strawpeople instead of the words I actually say.
First of all, you are the one who brought violence into the discussion, so I’ll just summarily ignore that at this point since you’re just barking at the end of your chain.
Second, a leader by no means needs to be “up in the hierarchy,” and I pity you for thinking they do. It’s funny you mention teaching since my background is in education, and I was prepared to use a teacher as another perfect example of a non-hierarchical structure. Granted, there are hierarchies that are forced on some teachers in certain circumstances due to the flaws inherent in our inequitable system, but effective classroom management is by and large a non-hierarchical relationship. In fact, creating a classroom hierarchy is a hallmark of an untrained, ineffective teacher! A teacher who is “in charge” is far less effective than one who sees themself as a guide walking beside their students.
I said that an anarchist society would be constantly raided by opportunistic people
Okay, so you take issue with Kropotkin et al’s argument that it would not? Which parts of his argument do you care to address? Or is this just based on some vague incorrect notion you have of what anarchism is, without looking further? Personally, I subscribe to the notion that a stateless society in which everyone feels personally invested and in which it is in our own best interests to engage with the community would effectively eliminate the toxic power structures that have led to things like poverty and greed. Certainly, it’s at least an idea worth investigating, without arrogantly proclaiming what you think would happen, without even understanding what it is.
No anarchists believe humans will become saints, or that anarchism necessitates people being good by nature, so I’m not sure who you’re responding to. Certainly not me! You’re thinking of neoliberalism, which is based on the lie that we can all become shiny happy people, and then suddenly capitalism will start working.
Rather, anarchism recognizes that the lion’s share of injustices that are meted out on both a small and large scale are a result of inherently inequitable systems like imperialism, capitalism, and statehood; and hierarchical power structures.
It’s not like instituting anarchism will eliminate all ax murderers or thieves (though thieves would have a rather silly time of it under anarchism), but it works because it is in our own selfish best interests to live in a community of others with a varying range of interests and skill sets.
Hell, Kropotkin even recognizes that people might still long for things like luxury goods within the first generation of an anarchist society, after which such pursuits would be clearly a fool’s errand.
But sure, there’s nothing stopping you from removing yourself from a community, or from behaving in such an egregious way that necessitates your removal by direct action. But when you start breaking down why these petty acts of violence happen against others, most of them can be attributed to: 1. Inequities caused by a system that creates them, 2. Influences of a state, and 3. The existence of hierarchies.
Going back to the teacher example: A bad teacher will say “because I said so,” a better teacher will explain why they said so, but a great teacher will work alongside the class to create a class contract for establishing ground rules, which are open to discussion at any time. You might claim the teacher is at the top of a hierarchy because of their training, education, and skillset, but I would argue that’s not a hierarchy. When I call an electrician, it’s not because I’m above them or they’re above me – they have a certain set of skills to be shared. No hierarchy inherent in that.
The Adblockalypse is coming (lemmy.world)
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What if Reddit federated?
Hypothetically, they could implement some internal api and open Reddit to the fediverse no? What would happen then? (I’m sure they won’t because they want the money… but I’m just speculating…)
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It's okay to make fun of anprims, they'll never find out. It can be our civilized secret!